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Anonymous
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Cherrypalm
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is God real?

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Started: 2/18/2018 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Debating Period
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Pro

For the first round please just accept the debate, arguments will begin next round.
Cherrypalm

Con

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1

Pro

Atheists say that no one can prove God exists, and the're right. But I say no one has dis-proven God's existence. But in order to have this debate we need to look at the available evidence, and that's what we're going to do.
Most Cosmologists agree that the universe began around 14 billion years ago in an event known as the Big Bang. Within 3 minutes 98% of all matter to ever exist had been created, resulting in the universe and everything in it. Now if I were to ask you where the explosion came from, you would have to say that it came from nothing. After all, if there is no God, there had to have been once nothing. But the thing is in our lives we never see something pop out from nothing, but atheists want to make a small exception to this rule, that is the universe and everything in it. On top of that even if the creation of matter were nothing was possible, when you look around at the complexity of the universe, you would think that the way everything works together in such a way to sustain itself would not be the result of a probability. The truth is, atheists exclamation of how things started is not in any way logical, or in any way pointing to an impossible explosion.
Now to the creationists way of thinking. We believe that there is a supreme supernatural being that exists, also known as God, who created everything in the universe. The conclusion to how God exists can be shown in a couple of arguments.
First, is the argument from cause.
p1 Everything has a cause
p2 the universe is something
p3 the universe has a cause
p4 As we know a cause coming from nothing is illogical, especially given the complexity of the universe
p5 The only other option is for a God to exist
p6 God created the universe
C Therefore, God exists

Second is the argument from motion
p1 Everything that is in motion must have something that set it in motion
p2 The universe is in motion
p3 the universe must have been set in motion, not by itself or by nothing
p4 the only all powerful force that does not have to be set in motion is God
p5 God set the universe in motion
C Therefore, God exists

Lastly is the design argument
p1 Whatever exists must reflect the intelligence of it's creator, in other words no effect can be greater than i'ts cause
p2 The universe exists
p3 The creator must be greater and more powerful than the universe
p4 Nothing is not greater than the universe, only the idea of God is.
p5 God created the universe
C Therefore, God exists

If there is no God, how did everything start from nothing?
Cherrypalm

Con

My resolution is that God does not exist and is not real.

God is a fictional being that you believe created everything, which he didn't. The universe was created because of the Big Bang. If something was created, only a cause has to create it. It was the Big Bang.

You asked a question "If there is no God, how did everything start from nothing?"

My answer to that question is that everything did not start from nothing. Is started with the big bang, as explained by Wikipedia. "The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the universe [1] from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution.[2] [3] [4] The model describes how the universe expanded from a very high-density and high-temperature state,[5] [6] and offers a comprehensive explanation for a broad range of phenomena, including the abundance of light elements, the cosmic microwave background (CMB), large scale structure and Hubble's law. [7] If the known laws of physics are extrapolated to the highest density regime, the result is a singularity which is typically associated with the Big Bang. Physicists are undecided whether this means the universe began from a singularity, or that current knowledge is insufficient to describe the universe at that time. Detailed measurements of the expansion rate of the universe place the Big Bang at around 13.8 billion years ago, which is thus considered the age of the universe. [8] After the initial expansion, the universe cooled sufficiently to allow the formation of subatomic particles, and later simple atoms. Giant clouds of these primordial elements later coalesced through gravity in halos of dark matter, eventually forming the stars and galaxies visible today.

Since Roman Catholic priest Georges Lema"tre first noted in 1927 that an expanding universe could be traced back in time to an originating single point, scientists have built on his idea of cosmic expansion. The scientific community was once divided between supporters of two different theories, the Big Bang and the Steady State theory, but a wide range of empirical evidence has strongly favored the Big Bang which is now universally accepted. [9] In 1929, from analysis of galactic redshifts, Edwin Hubble concluded that galaxies are drifting apart; this is important observational evidence consistent with the hypothesis of an expanding universe. In 1964, the cosmic microwave background radiation was discovered, which was crucial evidence in favor of the Big Bang model, [10] since that theory predicted the existence of background radiation throughout the universe before it was discovered. More recently, measurements of the redshifts of supernovae indicate that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, an observation attributed to dark energy's existence. [11] The known physical laws of nature can be used to calculate the characteristics of the universe in detail back in time to an initial state of extreme density and temperature. [12]"

We can't just conclude that just because the Big Bang is "wrong," therefore god. That is an illogical argument. Everything started with something. Not just nothing.

Sources:
(1) https://www.nytimes.com...
(2) https://en.m.wikipedia.org...
(3) https://en.m.wikipedia.org...
(4) https://web.archive.org...
(5) https://en.m.wikipedia.org...
(6) https://en.m.wikipedia.org...
(7) http://www.astro.ucla.edu...
(8) http://www.esa.int...
(9) https://books.google.com...
(10) https://books.google.com...
(11) https://en.m.wikipedia.org...
(11b) http://adsabs.harvard.edu...
(11c) https://doi.org...
(12) https://books.google.com...

Link to original Wikipedia article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 2

Pro

To begin, Wikipedia is not a credible source, so any of my opponents arguments related to Wikipedia are out of this debate.
My opponent says that the universe did not in fact start with nothing, it started with the Big Bang. This is an example of circular reasoning because if I were to ask you what started the Big Bang, you would have to say the Big Bang, otherwise you would be stuck with saying nothing. Both of these answers are incorrect because as we know nothing can't create something, and the Big Bang can't be the cause of itself. According to Isaac Newton everything in motion must have been set in motion not by itself, but by another force. Since there are no other forces to have caused the Big Bang, it is impossible. If a single part of the Big Bang explosion isn't possible, the whole thing is false.
My second rejection against the Big Bang is the complexity of life. Life is the most complex thing in the universe. If you look at a single cell it has mitochondrion, a plasma membrane, a nucleus, cytoplasm, a cell wall, nuclear material, rough er, smooth er, DNA, all which work together to sustain the cell. A cell also performs processes such as cellular respiration, mitosis, meiosis 1, meiosis 2, protein synthesis, krebs citric acid process, electron transport system, all which happen in a single microscopic organism which is not even a comparison to the many, many other life forms we see in this world. WOW, that is a lot to have come from an explosion! The more we look at the universe, the more and more we have to realize that this is the work of intelligent design, not probability.
I never said the Big Bang is wrong, therefore God. I provided 3 ways of how there has to be a God in the previous roundMy opponent never responded to any of these. Because of this, I hope to see my opponents rebuttals for these in his next argument.
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Cherrypalm 2 years ago
Cherrypalm
Nothing.
Posted by canis 2 years ago
canis
Same problem as always..What could create gods...
Posted by Cherrypalm 2 years ago
Cherrypalm
This will be long.
Posted by Cherrypalm 2 years ago
Cherrypalm
Let's go!
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