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the top tax rate should be raised to 70% at least

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Started: 2/6/2019 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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billsands

Pro

The top tax rate used to be 90% and we did just find we are becoming a nation of rich and very poor, This has to stop, We need to go back to policies that promoted a big middle class like heavy taxes on the stinking rich, Nothinmg wrong with being rich as long as you pay your fair share, Which is almost everythng you have. Rotten Capitalist blood suckers.
Jukebox101

Con

There have always been poor and rich people, And there will always be, No matter the tax rate. Greed and the love of money will always come to play. I'm assuming you're or for socialism (of some form). I will be arguing for capitalism. I will start my main rebuttals and arguments in the next round.
Debate Round No. 1
billsands

Pro

tHERE HAVE always been slaves and always will be. . Would you also argume that attempts to eliminate slavery and laws against it are futule? I think not we havent abolished slavery, Or child labur, Or child molestation? People still molest kids. . People still kill. . People still take guns ans shoot people. . Make meth in labs, Are any of these things remotely okay with you? Are yu alright ignoring yhese problems and doing nothing. . Well neither am i. . When the top tax rate was 90$ in the 50s the economy was fine and very capitlaist, And the distribution of wealth was much less skewed and the middle clas on much stronger gorund. . We can not eliminate problems lok at polio thought we had that licked thanks jenny mc carthy tuberculoisis, Stds. . They never go away but our efforts to combat all thse problems bear positive results. . Or should we re lelgalize slavery because we couldnt eliminate it completely. . Is that such a good arguement? You may need to re think that
Jukebox101

Con

When the top tax rate was 90$ in the 50s the economy was fine and very capitlaist, And the distribution of wealth was much less skewed and the middle clas on much stronger gorund. .

$90 is not the same as 90%, As you stated above. The economy was also CAPITALIST.


Or should we re lelgalize slavery because we couldnt eliminate it completely. .

Did I say to legalize everything, Or keep it like it is?


-There are hard working people who deserve to be rich. . . Why should it be taken away from them?
-There are poor and not hard working people, Why should money be given to them?

I'm not saying our country is in the best shape (actually, The economy is boosting now that Trump is president) but I am saying that taxing the rich isn't going to solve the problem!
Debate Round No. 2
billsands

Pro

the top tax rate in the 1950s was 90%%%%%%% 90 percent okay 90 % tax rates have very little effect on the growth rate of an economy, During hitlers time the german economy was very good but at what cost? trump is the same we do have a good economy but it was a good economy before under obama for 6 straight years, He had that to build on. If you look back in time the middle classes did better in the usa when taxes on the rich were high, Now all the money goes just to the rich, And they don't deserv it, Plenty of poor people work very hard and get nothing, Many rich don't work at all yet get all, No more! No more, We need to be like sweden and germany make taxes higher to procde services for the midle classes and poor, To hell with the rich, They can pay their taxes or face the guillotine!
Jukebox101

Con

You failed, First of all, To answer any of my questions.


okay 90 % tax rates have very little effect on the growth rate of an economy

If high tax rates didn't help back then, They surely won't help now.
-There is a reason America has one of the best economies, Economically.


Now all the money goes just to the rich, And they don't deserv it, Plenty of poor people work very hard and get nothing

You haven't substantiated this argument, You are just making statements. Sure, Some poor people work hard and don't get anything, But no system is perfect. Every socialist system that's existed failed or is failing, Why would it be a good idea now?

To hell with the rich, They can pay their taxes or face the guillotine!

What about the people who work very hard to be rich?


During hitlers time the german economy was very good but at what cost?

What do you mean at what cost? The holocaust happened due to Hitler's anti-semitism and power hungry mantra!



Raising the tax rate to 70% will not help our country.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Masterful 3 years ago
Masterful
I forgot to mention that after the great depression and WW2, Investors had the confidence to invest again.
Posted by Masterful 3 years ago
Masterful
(billsands is referring to 1950)
"The top tax rate used to be 90% and we did just find we are becoming a nation of rich and very poor. "

Such a statement ignores many variables that all played a role in the economic success of the US around 1950. It should not be attributed to the 90% income tax, That would be a uni-varible analysis.

-The US came out of the great depression in 1941, Leaving a recession always means that economic growth occurs.
-WW2 ended in 1945, Coming out of a war and having workers ceasing the production of munition and weaponry will result in workers contributing to economic growth instead.
-The US did not have social safety nets and had a large influx of immigrants coming from Europe who wanted to follow the American dream. This meant workers were readily available and labor was cheap for employers. This is what kept the corporation from leaving the country all together.
Posted by omar2345 3 years ago
omar2345
If Con needs to rethink his arguments you Pro should read your argument before typing it. You had 3 days to type your argument so if you weren't in a position to type an argument well then wait. If you couldn't do it better because something is bothering you for 3 days then why did you create this debate? This only applies if you knew you would be busy not something you had no control over.
Posted by omar2345 3 years ago
omar2345
@Surgeon

Wouldn't it be better as a mixed economy. Something like an 80/20 split in favour of capitalism?
Posted by Surgeon 3 years ago
Surgeon
When people say "fair share" they just mean "more".

Thomas Sowell once asked a very simple question that to my knowledge has never been answered. "Why is it greedy for someone to want to keep their money, But not greedy for someone else to want to take it? "

This is an old Marxist argument, And like the rest of Marxism it fails every single test both in theory and practice. Infact Marx would even recognise that the "tests" he established with his "Scientific Socialism" predictions about Capitalism failed. Capitalism leads to freedom and wealth with disproportionate outcomes, Socialism leads to slavery, Wealth destruction with disproportionate outcomes. Take your pick.
Posted by omar2345 3 years ago
omar2345
This should be about how we should make rich people pay tax. If rich paid their tax then you can have an argument about increasing it. Most likely you would carry on with this argument. I would like to say why would they pay for the 70% tax when they don't pay for the current one?

Source of rich people not paying tax: Cuomo announces income tax revenues have dropped by $2. 3B
Corporation is New York Post.
Just copy the heading and the first link should be the one I am talking about.
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