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5/30/2017 7:36:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I don't get gambling, it's such a waste of money. All those casinos look so fabulous thanks to all the gamblers. You know the house is always going to win, or horse racing tracks. You never win. Yet it's always packed. People say it's fun, but I don't see any fun in me putting money on a table for someone to take.

Ask any gambler about it and they always tell you how many thousands they have won, yet they forget to mention the hundreds of thousands they have lost. Those trips are never mentioned, just the wins. Lotteries same thing, you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning yet every time the jackpot goes up, the frenzy starts, got to get my ticket!!

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5/30/2017 8:35:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/30/2017 7:36:12 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
I don't get gambling, it's such a waste of money. All those casinos look so fabulous thanks to all the gamblers. You know the house is always going to win, or horse racing tracks. You never win. Yet it's always packed. People say it's fun, but I don't see any fun in me putting money on a table for someone to take.

Betting, such as with horse racing, isn't like normal gambling. It isn't always sheer chance; sometimes you can determine the outcome through sheer tuition, and everyone thinks of themselves as above average intelligence, so...
As for, say, games like poker, some degree of skill goes into it, which is why it's possible to have professional poker players. And again, everyone who's been playing poker for a decent amount of time figures they're better than most other players, so...

Ask any gambler about it and they always tell you how many thousands they have won, yet they forget to mention the hundreds of thousands they have lost. Those trips are never mentioned, just the wins. Lotteries same thing, you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning yet every time the jackpot goes up, the frenzy starts, got to get my ticket!!

The lottery is different. If, say, for instance, you spend $20 per lottery ticket, and over time you buy 10,000 lottery tickets to no avail, and then one day you win the $200,000 lottery, then suddenly you've made back every penny that you've spent (an oversimplification, of course, since this doesn't account for the taxes you'll have to pay for the winnings). Also, many people believe the logical fallacy that losing multiple times increases your chance of success the next time.

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5/30/2017 10:03:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I very much like poker and play it regular enough at a poker club near my hometown, when I'm in the neighbourhood. It's just a good game, sort of like the game mafia that you see so many people addicted to on this site, and throw in bottles of beer for a euro a pop all night - sure, where could you go wrong? I mean, it definitely beats just going to the pub to get boozed. Poker just injects a whole lot of life into things, I guess. And I often win too, so it's a free night on the beer, basically.

Also the people who play poker are fairly interesting. I mean, not pleasant or anything, but interesting lol. For instance, the amount of jobs I've been offered playing poker is actually just hilarious. But it's like, I guess, they're all trying to make out they have the pot already kinda thing, you know? And it's just that sort of... sharp atmosphere, in general, It's a real battleground. And I do so enjoy it lol.

Horses. Wouldn't go near them. I mean, I go to all the big race days, but that's just for beer and a reason to wear a suit, pretty much. I've often been to a race day and never laid eyes on a horse lol. But it's just a game you're not cracking too easily. No matter what tip you get, it's probably a bad tip. I know dudes who are huge, HUGE in the know, and they'll tell me they're 20k in the hole every year even so. But then again I guess one of my country's richest men made it all out of horses. But he's like something out of Irish mythology. (Ireland has the coolest rich people, btw.)

Slot machines, roulette, games of real chance. Wouldn't touch them. That is, none of them except those fruity slot machines, you know the ones? With all the flashy lights and a million buttons. But they're like a puzzle on top of luck, see, and so all my misspent youth I used sit in a pub with my mates, and where randomers would be passing through all throughout the day because the pub's just off a ferry, and watching them sink their money into these machines while they were waiting for the next crossing, and having jackpot up but not knowing it, not knowing how to take it out, and then on we'd come knowing the machine and knowing it was nice and ripe lol. Good times, really.

After that, I'd throw on the odd accumulator on soccer, but pennies, you know? Just for a bit of fun. Inject a bit of life into things, again. I mean, gambling ain't so bad. Just don't be a f*cking idiot. Know the game. Know your chances. Sometimes you'll be able to play the game as just like an exploit of other people - other dumb people. And, sure, why not?
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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5/30/2017 10:13:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I mean, I know every gambler has the same old spiel... but I legit make money off it lol. I've bought two nice cars out of poker winnings. And ofc lost good large lumps of money too, money your average person couldn't imagine just disappearing into nothing, but then I'm not a degenerate gambler, and it was won money, and all a thrill all the same tbqh lol. I've won and lost such money in a sitting that has people looking at me like I'm some demon of both creation and destruction lol. I mean, it's a little bit of magic I have at my fingertips lol. Sure, it's all only a bit of fun, right?
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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5/30/2017 10:20:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Don't gamble, btw. It's definitely a sin.
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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6/2/2017 7:52:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/30/2017 7:36:12 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
I don't get gambling, it's such a waste of money. All those casinos look so fabulous thanks to all the gamblers. You know the house is always going to win, or horse racing tracks. You never win. Yet it's always packed. People say it's fun, but I don't see any fun in me putting money on a table for someone to take.

Horse racing and sports betting is winnable because you are playing against other gamblers. If everyone thinks one horse has 1/100 odds of winning and you get 1/100 on them but you correctly calculate his odds of winning to be 1/75, and place a bet you have made a correct decision and given a large enough sample size of those types of decisions, you will walk away a winner.

Ask any gambler about it and they always tell you how many thousands they have won, yet they forget to mention the hundreds of thousands they have lost. Those trips are never mentioned, just the wins. Lotteries same thing, you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning yet every time the jackpot goes up, the frenzy starts, got to get my ticket!!

When I gambled for a living I learned quickly to lie about my losses and down play my wins, because people don't understand variance too well. Some house games are beatable. For example card counting is a legitimate strategy for winning at black jack, I would recommend vegas casinos for that, over Atlantic city casinos, but we won't go into explaining why Vegas has 2 deck shoes and Vegas has 8 deck shoes, and what that means as far as profitability.

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For most people yes, but some people enjoy doing it for recreation and games like craps gives them close to 50% odds so they don't lose too much and it remains a cheap hobby. Some others make a living doing it.
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6/2/2017 7:56:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/30/2017 10:13:42 PM, Devilry wrote:
I mean, I know every gambler has the same old spiel... but I legit make money off it lol. I've bought two nice cars out of poker winnings. And ofc lost good large lumps of money too, money your average person couldn't imagine just disappearing into nothing, but then I'm not a degenerate gambler, and it was won money, and all a thrill all the same tbqh lol. I've won and lost such money in a sitting that has people looking at me like I'm some demon of both creation and destruction lol. I mean, it's a little bit of magic I have at my fingertips lol. Sure, it's all only a bit of fun, right?

Some former professional poker players I know have told me that low stakes hold em is no longer profitable, because of the increased rake of games and the increased skill level at the tables after Black Friday. Back when I used to play on a daily basis it was not unusual to see 20% of the regulars actually making a living playing.
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6/2/2017 11:55:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2017 7:56:18 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/30/2017 10:13:42 PM, Devilry wrote:
I mean, I know every gambler has the same old spiel... but I legit make money off it lol. I've bought two nice cars out of poker winnings. And ofc lost good large lumps of money too, money your average person couldn't imagine just disappearing into nothing, but then I'm not a degenerate gambler, and it was won money, and all a thrill all the same tbqh lol. I've won and lost such money in a sitting that has people looking at me like I'm some demon of both creation and destruction lol. I mean, it's a little bit of magic I have at my fingertips lol. Sure, it's all only a bit of fun, right?

Some former professional poker players I know have told me that low stakes hold em is no longer profitable, because of the increased rake of games and the increased skill level at the tables after Black Friday. Back when I used to play on a daily basis it was not unusual to see 20% of the regulars actually making a living playing.

I've never played poker in a way that I should be worrying about rake, and I'd not like to, tbh. But I suppose I get it for people wanting to make something like a salary out of playing poker.
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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6/2/2017 12:01:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2017 7:52:05 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/30/2017 7:36:12 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
I don't get gambling, it's such a waste of money. All those casinos look so fabulous thanks to all the gamblers. You know the house is always going to win, or horse racing tracks. You never win. Yet it's always packed. People say it's fun, but I don't see any fun in me putting money on a table for someone to take.

Horse racing and sports betting is winnable because you are playing against other gamblers. If everyone thinks one horse has 1/100 odds of winning and you get 1/100 on them but you correctly calculate his odds of winning to be 1/75, and place a bet you have made a correct decision and given a large enough sample size of those types of decisions, you will walk away a winner.

Yeah, but where do you get the odds? There's way too much information in horses, and you have to dig real deep for all of it. I mean, maybe it's winnable if it's your horse and you have the wool pulled over the public's eyes as to how the horse can run kinda thing.
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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6/2/2017 12:25:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2017 7:56:18 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/30/2017 10:13:42 PM, Devilry wrote:
I mean, I know every gambler has the same old spiel... but I legit make money off it lol. I've bought two nice cars out of poker winnings. And ofc lost good large lumps of money too, money your average person couldn't imagine just disappearing into nothing, but then I'm not a degenerate gambler, and it was won money, and all a thrill all the same tbqh lol. I've won and lost such money in a sitting that has people looking at me like I'm some demon of both creation and destruction lol. I mean, it's a little bit of magic I have at my fingertips lol. Sure, it's all only a bit of fun, right?

Some former professional poker players I know have told me that low stakes hold em is no longer profitable, because of the increased rake of games and the increased skill level at the tables after Black Friday. Back when I used to play on a daily basis it was not unusual to see 20% of the regulars actually making a living playing.

I grind a little on a few low stakes tables , online , I've been playing card online for about 8 years , I'm probably down 50k ( 50k means probably around 120k ) .
It's a cruel cruel game , you almost know when you go all in with your pocket Aces , your going to be called by someone with ( Jack , Queen) you no then pocket aces are going to get cracked . Nine , ten , Jacks coming up , something is going to chock you over,
And it hurts , boy does it hurt. Playing you cards 100% right , getting in when you should , only to be viciously bent over and raped .
I lost a 2.6k pot like this , all in pocket aces, getting called by a millionaire with ( 9 10 suited. ) , I can pretty much feel like I just know I'm going to lose . Bammmmm . Of course I lose. My poor Dog felt it more then me.
I acknowledged my mistakes in the hand ,That Being stakes to high , putting all my eggs in one basket , and going all in. It's a ugly , cruel game , when you do every thing right and lose.
I'm feeling tilted thinking about it.
So all up I've lost about 120k , but I do have a great hat and three t- shirts.
So all is good. I put deposit limits on all my accounts , and just stick to sports betting. Two horse races.
This website helped me out by taking up my time.
Now I only lose 1000 a month at the most.
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6/2/2017 2:13:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2017 12:01:46 PM, Devilry wrote:
At 6/2/2017 7:52:05 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/30/2017 7:36:12 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
I don't get gambling, it's such a waste of money. All those casinos look so fabulous thanks to all the gamblers. You know the house is always going to win, or horse racing tracks. You never win. Yet it's always packed. People say it's fun, but I don't see any fun in me putting money on a table for someone to take.

Horse racing and sports betting is winnable because you are playing against other gamblers. If everyone thinks one horse has 1/100 odds of winning and you get 1/100 on them but you correctly calculate his odds of winning to be 1/75, and place a bet you have made a correct decision and given a large enough sample size of those types of decisions, you will walk away a winner.

Yeah, but where do you get the odds? There's way too much information in horses, and you have to dig real deep for all of it. I mean, maybe it's winnable if it's your horse and you have the wool pulled over the public's eyes as to how the horse can run kinda thing.

I have no clue. I always lose money on the horses, and just use horse betting as an excuse to get drunk and bullshitt with friends. I tried learning the proper way to bet, but it's above my head. i've seen all types of weird stuff at the horse races like people trying to gaze at the horses penis because they think if the horse has a hard on, he will run faster.
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6/2/2017 2:20:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2017 12:25:23 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/2/2017 7:56:18 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/30/2017 10:13:42 PM, Devilry wrote:
I mean, I know every gambler has the same old spiel... but I legit make money off it lol. I've bought two nice cars out of poker winnings. And ofc lost good large lumps of money too, money your average person couldn't imagine just disappearing into nothing, but then I'm not a degenerate gambler, and it was won money, and all a thrill all the same tbqh lol. I've won and lost such money in a sitting that has people looking at me like I'm some demon of both creation and destruction lol. I mean, it's a little bit of magic I have at my fingertips lol. Sure, it's all only a bit of fun, right?

Some former professional poker players I know have told me that low stakes hold em is no longer profitable, because of the increased rake of games and the increased skill level at the tables after Black Friday. Back when I used to play on a daily basis it was not unusual to see 20% of the regulars actually making a living playing.

I grind a little on a few low stakes tables , online , I've been playing card online for about 8 years , I'm probably down 50k ( 50k means probably around 120k ) .
It's a cruel cruel game , you almost know when you go all in with your pocket Aces , your going to be called by someone with ( Jack , Queen) you no then pocket aces are going to get cracked . Nine , ten , Jacks coming up , something is going to chock you over,
And it hurts , boy does it hurt. Playing you cards 100% right , getting in when you should , only to be viciously bent over and raped .
I lost a 2.6k pot like this , all in pocket aces, getting called by a millionaire with ( 9 10 suited. ) , I can pretty much feel like I just know I'm going to lose . Bammmmm . Of course I lose. My poor Dog felt it more then me.
I acknowledged my mistakes in the hand ,That Being stakes to high , putting all my eggs in one basket , and going all in. It's a ugly , cruel game , when you do every thing right and lose.
I'm feeling tilted thinking about it.
So all up I've lost about 120k , but I do have a great hat and three t- shirts.
So all is good. I put deposit limits on all my accounts , and just stick to sports betting. Two horse races.
This website helped me out by taking up my time.
Now I only lose 1000 a month at the most.

Tilt is a huge problem. Players who would otherwise be winning are made losers by it. Even losing players would benefit from conquering it because it would cause them to lose less.

Tilt is something I will never completely conquer. I don't play very often anymore but I know that I don't tilt from anger at bad beats any more. I just tilt from mental exhaustion and start getting lazy. That is when I pop an adderal or leave the game to get sleep. The only time I don't leave a game when facing that type of tilt is if you have somebody spewing chips.
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6/2/2017 3:33:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I went gambling just one time all my life, and when I noticed I was losing round about, say, $2, I left and promised I would never go back gambling. Lol.

Jokes apart, I think this kind of business is accuratetly arranged to suck money out of gamblers. So, don't ever try it.

BR
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6/2/2017 3:57:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2017 2:20:47 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/2/2017 12:25:23 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/2/2017 7:56:18 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/30/2017 10:13:42 PM, Devilry wrote:
I mean, I know every gambler has the same old spiel... but I legit make money off it lol. I've bought two nice cars out of poker winnings. And ofc lost good large lumps of money too, money your average person couldn't imagine just disappearing into nothing, but then I'm not a degenerate gambler, and it was won money, and all a thrill all the same tbqh lol. I've won and lost such money in a sitting that has people looking at me like I'm some demon of both creation and destruction lol. I mean, it's a little bit of magic I have at my fingertips lol. Sure, it's all only a bit of fun, right?

Some former professional poker players I know have told me that low stakes hold em is no longer profitable, because of the increased rake of games and the increased skill level at the tables after Black Friday. Back when I used to play on a daily basis it was not unusual to see 20% of the regulars actually making a living playing.

I grind a little on a few low stakes tables , online , I've been playing card online for about 8 years , I'm probably down 50k ( 50k means probably around 120k ) .
It's a cruel cruel game , you almost know when you go all in with your pocket Aces , your going to be called by someone with ( Jack , Queen) you no then pocket aces are going to get cracked . Nine , ten , Jacks coming up , something is going to chock you over,
And it hurts , boy does it hurt. Playing you cards 100% right , getting in when you should , only to be viciously bent over and raped .
I lost a 2.6k pot like this , all in pocket aces, getting called by a millionaire with ( 9 10 suited. ) , I can pretty much feel like I just know I'm going to lose . Bammmmm . Of course I lose. My poor Dog felt it more then me.
I acknowledged my mistakes in the hand ,That Being stakes to high , putting all my eggs in one basket , and going all in. It's a ugly , cruel game , when you do every thing right and lose.
I'm feeling tilted thinking about it.
So all up I've lost about 120k , but I do have a great hat and three t- shirts.
So all is good. I put deposit limits on all my accounts , and just stick to sports betting. Two horse races.
This website helped me out by taking up my time.
Now I only lose 1000 a month at the most.

Tilt is a huge problem. Players who would otherwise be winning are made losers by it. Even losing players would benefit from conquering it because it would cause them to lose less.

Tilt is something I will never completely conquer. I don't play very often anymore but I know that I don't tilt from anger at bad beats any more. I just tilt from mental exhaustion and start getting lazy. That is when I pop an adderal or leave the game to get sleep. The only time I don't leave a game when facing that type of tilt is if you have somebody spewing chips.

Hey Wylted.
1 more post , stay with me here.

I just broke a rule just then .
I shouldn't of talked or displayed my bad beat ,
I think my downfall is , a hour into playing.
I turn into a calling station. I find myself calling mid raises pre-flop, with 7,8 and Jack ,queen . Fritter it away , it took six years of losing time after time , I can now say.
I'm not very Good at poker. So I set deposit limits . I come 2nd in a Sunday 250k guarantee. For 116k one year into playing , I was 19 with a extra 100k to burn . I knew after winning one tournament that I will pretty much own every player on full tilt and soon become a millionaire , But it was never to be , crazy right ?
Take 20k out, then like the true gambler that I am , went straight back to begin , The fritter 90k turned to 70k , bets become bigger , times become wild , in this time I realized that making final tables in tournament poker , involves the thing they call , " luck " you have to survive a few all in coin toss pots .
Money runs out , I'm stilled in disbelief I'm not the best poker player that lives.

What can we take from this boy and girls.? I'm a degenerate Gambler, some might might say I'm foolish ,
May I remind you that I have lost 100k , but the 3 full tilt T-shirts, and a tilt sports cap.
They are pretty impressive man , I feel like I'm about even .
I've become pretty good now at losing money , it takes under 1 hour now after losing $500, and I forget about it.
I have gamble in me, I'm up for high stakes Mario cart any time any price.
Thanks for here me out. I can't spell very good and have such bad grammar , I hope you can read it. See you
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6/2/2017 4:01:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2017 3:33:39 PM, Archaholic wrote:
I went gambling just one time all my life, and when I noticed I was losing round about, say, $2, I left and promised I would never go back gambling. Lol.

Jokes apart, I think this kind of business is accuratetly arranged to suck money out of gamblers. So, don't ever try it.

BR

I agree Archaholic, it's sad to see the people who get addicted to it and then they lose their house, their car and their whole family because of gambling addiction. Gambling can be dangerous, especially for people who say "One more time, I will win it all back"
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6/2/2017 4:02:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/30/2017 10:03:28 PM, Devilry wrote:
I very much like poker and play it regular enough at a poker club near my hometown, when I'm in the neighbourhood. It's just a good game, sort of like the game mafia that you see so many people addicted to on this site, and throw in bottles of beer for a euro a pop all night - sure, where could you go wrong? I mean, it definitely beats just going to the pub to get boozed. Poker just injects a whole lot of life into things, I guess. And I often win too, so it's a free night on the beer, basically.

Also the people who play poker are fairly interesting. I mean, not pleasant or anything, but interesting lol. For instance, the amount of jobs I've been offered playing poker is actually just hilarious. But it's like, I guess, they're all trying to make out they have the pot already kinda thing, you know? And it's just that sort of... sharp atmosphere, in general, It's a real battleground. And I do so enjoy it lol.

Horses. Wouldn't go near them. I mean, I go to all the big race days,

Haha, do you go to the one in Cheltenham?

but that's just for beer and a reason to wear a suit, pretty much. I've often been to a race day and never laid eyes on a horse lol. But it's just a game you're not cracking too easily. No matter what tip you get, it's probably a bad tip. I know dudes who are huge, HUGE in the know, and they'll tell me they're 20k in the hole every year even so. But then again I guess one of my country's richest men made it all out of horses. But he's like something out of Irish mythology. (Ireland has the coolest rich people, btw.)

Slot machines, roulette, games of real chance. Wouldn't touch them. That is, none of them except those fruity slot machines, you know the ones? With all the flashy lights and a million buttons. But they're like a puzzle on top of luck, see, and so all my misspent youth I used sit in a pub with my mates, and where randomers would be passing through all throughout the day because the pub's just off a ferry, and watching them sink their money into these machines while they were waiting for the next crossing, and having jackpot up but not knowing it, not knowing how to take it out, and then on we'd come knowing the machine and knowing it was nice and ripe lol. Good times, really.

After that, I'd throw on the odd accumulator on soccer, but pennies, you know? Just for a bit of fun. Inject a bit of life into things, again. I mean, gambling ain't so bad. Just don't be a f*cking idiot. Know the game. Know your chances. Sometimes you'll be able to play the game as just like an exploit of other people - other dumb people. And, sure, why not?
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6/2/2017 4:12:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2017 3:57:44 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
I think my downfall is , a hour into playing.
I turn into a calling station. I find myself calling mid raises pre-flop, with 7,8 and Jack ,queen .

Yeah patience is like 99% the skill of online poker. It's just such a grind playing online. I find music helps, though.
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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6/2/2017 4:14:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2017 4:02:02 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 5/30/2017 10:03:28 PM, Devilry wrote:
I very much like poker and play it regular enough at a poker club near my hometown, when I'm in the neighbourhood. It's just a good game, sort of like the game mafia that you see so many people addicted to on this site, and throw in bottles of beer for a euro a pop all night - sure, where could you go wrong? I mean, it definitely beats just going to the pub to get boozed. Poker just injects a whole lot of life into things, I guess. And I often win too, so it's a free night on the beer, basically.

Also the people who play poker are fairly interesting. I mean, not pleasant or anything, but interesting lol. For instance, the amount of jobs I've been offered playing poker is actually just hilarious. But it's like, I guess, they're all trying to make out they have the pot already kinda thing, you know? And it's just that sort of... sharp atmosphere, in general, It's a real battleground. And I do so enjoy it lol.

Horses. Wouldn't go near them. I mean, I go to all the big race days,

Haha, do you go to the one in Cheltenham?

Nah that one's a little bit far for me, who has no real interest in horses. I'll be in the pub for it, though.
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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6/2/2017 4:23:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
What are you guys' like online poker strategies?
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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6/2/2017 4:27:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Hey Wylted.
1 more post , stay with me here.

I just broke a rule just then .
I shouldn't of talked or displayed my bad beat ,
I think my downfall is , a hour into playing.
I turn into a calling station. I find myself calling mid raises pre-flop, with 7,8 and Jack ,queen . Fritter it away ,

Typical of tilt, something I am inclined to do if I am suffering from mental fatigue, which I walk away from the able if the mental fatigue is starting to overly influence my win rate. Walking away when you are not mentally prepared to take on the emotional nature of gambling is not easy to do, but it builds discipline and gets easier over time. I recommend you start doing it. You'll see that eventually tilt will start effecting you less and less, and will eventually reach a point where you walk away more often because you want to, than because you have to.

If you can't walk away and start playing more hands like you describe, maybe start raising with them more. If you generally play tightly but want to play 7 8 offsuit, than you can raise, and reraise with it and get some credit for a good hand, and if you hit the flop, your hand is disguised and can be quite profitable, but you have to be willing to walk away from the hand if you sense your opponent has something.

The trick to playing Loose aggressive is to use the same analysis post flop as usual, but just get a little crazy preflop. If you can change your style during tilt like that and wait it out, then once tilt is gone, you can play conservatively again, and once they catch on that you were playing loosely, they will adjust their play to it, just in time for you to flip to a conservative style. This of course is assuming you can play as a LAGG in a competent way.

it took six years of losing time after time , I can now say.
I'm not very Good at poker. So I set deposit limits . I come 2nd in a Sunday 250k guarantee. For 116k one year into playing , I was 19 with a extra 100k to burn . I knew after winning one tournament that I will pretty much own every player on full tilt and soon become a millionaire , But it was never to be , crazy right ?

HAHA, I actually feel sorry for people who win big early on. It sets up false expectations and for many it is hard to recover from. It seems to be more common for people who lose big early on to become good players than visa versa.

Take 20k out, then like the true gambler that I am , went straight back to begin , The fritter 90k turned to 70k , bets become bigger , times become wild , in this time I realized that making final tables in tournament poker , involves the thing they call , " luck " you have to survive a few all in coin toss pots .

Yes, tournament poker is tough. In fact it is hard to tell if winning tournament players are just that good or if they are lucky given the limited sample sizes, unlike cash games.

Money runs out , I'm stilled in disbelief I'm not the best poker player that lives.

Before Black Friday it was a bit easier. Before I started fooling around with it again about a year ago, I was surprised that the skill level of basically everybody went up. If you are not thinking about theory at least a couple of hours a day, you will become a losing player if you are not one already.

What can we take from this boy and girls.? I'm a degenerate Gambler, some might might say I'm foolish ,

Gambling addiction can get the best of anybody. There are people who are consistent winners at black jack or poker, who could make a living off of it but blow their money on slots and other things. Gambling is like putting yourself n a "skinner Box", and even if you are the best in the world, you are fighting against natural human tendencies.

May I remind you that I have lost 100k , but the 3 full tilt T-shirts, and a tilt sports cap.
They are pretty impressive man , I feel like I'm about even .

I hate Full Tilt. They owe me a good $10,000, that disappeared on Black Friday, and I fully support all the big name players who refuse to pay them back for money they borrowed. There is a second site that that owes me a few thousand dollars, but the name escapes me right now, but full tilt is the worst offender, If I see a stake holder of that company in public, I think I will send them to the ER.

I've become pretty good now at losing money , it takes under 1 hour now after losing $500, and I forget about it.
I have gamble in me, I'm up for high stakes Mario cart any time any price.
Thanks for here me out. I can't spell very good and have such bad grammar , I hope you can read it. See you

I'd recommend learning craps, and actually going to casinos, as well as placing modest bets on horses to show. Maybe throw in some black jack after learning basic strategy (which is harder to learn than card counting to be honest). This should take your losing rate down while giving you the thrill of an occasional big win. Also leaving your cards at home and just taking an amount you can safely lose at the casino will help as well.
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6/2/2017 4:31:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2017 4:12:06 PM, Devilry wrote:
At 6/2/2017 3:57:44 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
I think my downfall is , a hour into playing.
I turn into a calling station. I find myself calling mid raises pre-flop, with 7,8 and Jack ,queen .

Yeah patience is like 99% the skill of online poker. It's just such a grind playing online. I find music helps, though.

I like in person better, not a bunch of nerds so conversation is good, plus you know collusion is harder in person
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6/2/2017 4:52:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2017 4:34:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/2/2017 4:23:01 PM, Devilry wrote:
What are you guys' like online poker strategies?

HUH?

Well I see you talking loose aggressive and about playing tight and such. But do you have any set sort of plan going into games?

For instance, in tournament play, and on low blinds, I'm paying into every flop, which I figure for paying for good cards at low cost, and I'll just never not take a decent chip lead in it, just making sure to be careful not to get sucked into my own game. And then as the game progresses, I transition to sort of bullying, which is a bit trickier, but which also affords good cards to actually play whenever it actually comes down to it.
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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6/2/2017 4:54:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I actually way prefer tournament poker to cash games, too. And then the heads-up tables after, lol.
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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6/2/2017 5:06:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Like the skill of online poker to me, is knowing how to pay into your playing hand strength. Get me?
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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6/2/2017 5:10:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2017 4:52:30 PM, Devilry wrote:
At 6/2/2017 4:34:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 6/2/2017 4:23:01 PM, Devilry wrote:
What are you guys' like online poker strategies?

HUH?

Well I see you talking loose aggressive and about playing tight and such. But do you have any set sort of plan going into games?

No plans, unless their is something unique about the game. Like a hold-em game with antes, in which case I would adjust to be more aggressive.

For instance, in tournament play, and on low blinds, I'm paying into every flop, which I figure for paying for good cards at low cost, and I'll just never not take a decent chip lead in it,

With no rebuys or add ons, I will play more conservatively in the beginning and more aggressively near the end. With unlimited rebuys and add ons, I will get extremely aggressive early on and try for a quick double up. Often I will rebuy up to 3 times to try and get that double up. I always take the add on. This get's me into the money almost every time in online tournaments. In live tournaments the prize pools are more top heavy so making the money is harder. After milking my chip lead to get in the money, I go for first place, so I get extremely aggressive. Somebody with a small bankroll, maybe should just try to play conservatively at that point, but in my opinion it is more profitable to go for first place in no limit tournaments.

just making sure to be careful not to get sucked into my own game. And then as the game progresses, I transition to sort of bullying, which is a bit trickier, but which also affords good cards to actually play whenever it actually comes down to it.

I agree with your end game strategy. I think in the beginning stages, if there are rebuys you should be more aggressive, if there are no rebuys or you don't want to rebuy, I would do the traditional tight aggressive style. Seeing flops cheaply is good for cash games, but not for tournament play. Not if you are playing a bunch of hands anyway.

Daniel Negranue does a strategy where he makes small raises preflop in tournaments, like 2.5 times the big blind, so he can see a lot of flops cheaply, but he is playing people who are at high stakes and probably scared of him so they are likely playing too tight.

I would say if you are limping in a lot early on, you are probably bleeding chips. If you are employing Negranue's strategy against generally tight players, it is not a bad strategy, if you want to play a lot of flops.
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6/2/2017 5:13:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I like heads up play. Back when I made a modest amount bottom feeding, the bulk of my money came from heads up play. The problem with heads up play, is bots are getting harder to detect and it is easier for a computer to play perfectly heads up. The bots are rare enough where it is still probably pretty profitable to play heads up
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6/2/2017 5:20:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I actually forgot about rebuys. I hate unlimited rebuy games. They sort of make chaos of the whole earlier stage of the game. But I'm the opposite: I'll play conservatively with rebuys, aggressive without. Yeah, it's to punish tight players.

At 6/2/2017 5:13:48 PM, Wylted wrote:
I like heads up play. Back when I made a modest amount bottom feeding, the bulk of my money came from heads up play. The problem with heads up play, is bots are getting harder to detect and it is easier for a computer to play perfectly heads up. The bots are rare enough where it is still probably pretty profitable to play heads up

Interesting. Never worried about bots either, lol. I do enjoy heads-up play a whole lot, though. I think it sort of fits in with that playstyle I described, too. Sort of more about knowing how to pay into your winning hands than anything else.
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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6/2/2017 5:22:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Poker bots is actually a very interesting one. Do you have any links about them? It's hard to imagine the way in which they're actually good.
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
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6/2/2017 5:37:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/2/2017 5:22:52 PM, Devilry wrote:
Poker bots is actually a very interesting one. Do you have any links about them? It's hard to imagine the way in which they're actually good.

NO, and it is hard to find out much about them, because people who make their living playing online are in denial good bots exist, or worst bots that collude. I know just from seeing some headlines in the past where a player tracked a bunch down who were playing under the radar for a while and profiting and reported them to the site's security team. Afterword he was offered a job with a site's security team. So we know profitable ones exist because of that guy's experience, but you will have to find an article on that situation on your own.

Bot's are usually horrible, but good ones exist. I don't think they can be any good in full ring cash games, but ones committing collusion could be dangerous. Imagine 4 bot's on a table who know each other's cards. Ones that aren't colluding may be mildly dangerous in tournaments, but extremely dangerous in heads up games. Heads up cash games are not that far off from being exploitable by these bots. If you played a heads up tournament game with quickly escalating blinds, it would be easy for them to develop a good all in strategy that would be incredibly hard to beat.

If you play heads up tournies, I'll try to dig up a few charts to show you the perfect strategy to play when the blinds are 5% of stacks or larger. I guess in cash games if they short buy they could use the same strategy to play almost perfect, and just leave after a double up, bu that is easy enough to insulate yourself against.

I think you might be well suited for heads up play, given the information you have given.

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