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9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM Posted: 7 years ago You have to believe nothing came out of nothing, despite this being provably impossible.
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9/7/2013 6:57:11 PM Posted: 7 years ago That's simply false.
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9/7/2013 7:06:58 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 6:57:11 PM, Sargon wrote: YEAH!! LISTEN TO THE GUY WHO USE TO ARGUE THAT TOO TILL HE GOT BEAT! Nac Thank you for voting! |
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9/7/2013 7:07:51 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 7:06:58 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:57:11 PM, Sargon wrote: What I meant to say was that an atheist does not have to belief that something came from nothing. I wasn't trying to say that I believe in ex nihilo nihil fit. |
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9/7/2013 7:09:55 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 7:07:51 PM, Sargon wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:06:58 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:57:11 PM, Sargon wrote: I know. I'm just saying, I know you use to argue in favor of KCA, and no longer do anymore. Are you trying to make a profile with 0 defeats? Is that why you have a gazillion of them? Thank you for voting! |
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9/7/2013 7:10:52 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 7:09:55 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:07:51 PM, Sargon wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:06:58 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:57:11 PM, Sargon wrote: That, and most of my new profiles were caused by some distinctive intellectual shift in opinion. |
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9/7/2013 7:13:25 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 7:10:52 PM, Sargon wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:09:55 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:07:51 PM, Sargon wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:06:58 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:57:11 PM, Sargon wrote: So your legit an atheist now? Bull, if you lose to someone you gonna change again? Thank you for voting! |
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9/7/2013 7:16:20 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 7:13:25 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:10:52 PM, Sargon wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:09:55 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:07:51 PM, Sargon wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:06:58 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:57:11 PM, Sargon wrote: I don't change my opinions because I lost a debate. You should PM me if you want to talk about this further. I'm not really the topic of the thread. |
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9/7/2013 7:20:32 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 7:16:20 PM, Sargon wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:13:25 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:10:52 PM, Sargon wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:09:55 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:07:51 PM, Sargon wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:06:58 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:57:11 PM, Sargon wrote: You have your PM blocked dude, along with everything else.... Thank you for voting! |
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9/7/2013 7:22:51 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 7:20:32 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:16:20 PM, Sargon wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:13:25 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:10:52 PM, Sargon wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:09:55 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:07:51 PM, Sargon wrote:At 9/7/2013 7:06:58 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:57:11 PM, Sargon wrote: Once you accept my friend request, you can PM me. |
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9/7/2013 8:16:06 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: When did that become a requirement? It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater |
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9/7/2013 8:35:40 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: Since when is a quantum vacuum nothing? We are not dead. We have never lived. - Varg Vikernes, "Det som en gang var" |
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9/7/2013 9:08:38 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 8:35:40 PM, Subutai wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: Even those Quantum States require observation in order to exist. |
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9/7/2013 9:13:22 PM Posted: 7 years ago Lol There are plenty of ways for the Atheist to avoid the conclusion that the universe came from nothing.
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9/7/2013 9:14:34 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: Would you like to prove it is impossible that "nothing came out of nothing"? I'm pretty sure nothing does come out of nothing, what do you think comes out of nothing? It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater |
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9/7/2013 9:15:33 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: No you don't. You could say that all which is now, always already was. You could say that you don't know. You could just not care about the question and say that you don't give a single fvck. But of course, I have only listed three options... I'm sure there are others. |
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9/7/2013 9:38:41 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 9:14:34 PM, Sidewalker wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: So you believe things pop into existence from nothing? Has this ever been observed in nature? |
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9/7/2013 9:39:46 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 9:14:34 PM, Sidewalker wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: I'm sorry, I meant to say "something came out of nothing." |
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9/7/2013 9:44:21 PM Posted: 7 years ago Nobody believes anything came from nothing. Case closed...
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9/7/2013 9:46:53 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 9:15:33 PM, YYW wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: This. It seems that people need to "know" something, even if that knowledge is utterly false. In the words of Laurence Krauss: "Scientists love mysteries. They love not knowing." "Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil." |
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9/7/2013 10:27:59 PM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 8:35:40 PM, Subutai wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: Since Lawrence Krauss defined it as such. :P At 10/3/2016 11:49:13 PM, thett3 wrote: BLACK LIVES MATTER! |
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9/8/2013 12:01:35 AM Posted: 7 years ago One can be an atheist and believe what ever he so chooses, just not that god exists.
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9/8/2013 12:15:16 AM Posted: 7 years ago The Fool: I didn't know you had to do anything. Lol. Not believing, is not an active thing is it.. I don't really do anything to not believe. If I do it hardly takes any effort, at least I don't notice it.
I'm sure I'm not believing in a bazillion things I don't know.. I just can't know it. Perhaps I should be named a name for each thing I don't know, that I'm not believing. And synonymously, for each name I don't know that I'm not believing in that I don't know that I'm not believing in. I'm not believing, that their dragons outside my door, should I then be called a Adragonist, I'm not believing that blue really Red, perhaps I should be called in ABlue-Redist. Notice how only one side, IMPOSES, on the other side, but is not the other way around. Why do we have to be even called anything? I only need one name. Stop calling us names!!!!! "The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL |
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9/8/2013 12:39:13 AM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 10:27:59 PM, popculturepooka wrote:At 9/7/2013 8:35:40 PM, Subutai wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: The Fool:It's nonsense, it's not really nothing. I think he is dishonest, and that he is just calling it nothing, for anti-theist reasons.. Notice the contradiction in, calling IT nothing. It cannot even be IT. <------- There's nothing to say at all. As the term would have no reference, and be nonsensical. There is a lot of dishonesty on both sides. It's quite creepy.. "The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL |
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9/8/2013 1:33:18 AM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 9:38:41 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 9/7/2013 9:14:34 PM, Sidewalker wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: Have you ever considered the possibility that a finite amount of matter and energy has always been in existence, and that we can't really observe anything before the Big Bang due to the information loss caused by everything being compressed? Wall of Fail "You reject religion... calling it a sickness, to what ends??? Are you a Homosexual??" - Dogknox "For me, Evolution is a zombie theory. I mean imaginary cartoons and wishful thinking support it?" - Dragonfang "There are no mental health benefits of atheism. It is devoid of rational thinking and mental protection." - Gabrian |
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9/8/2013 2:05:35 AM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 9:38:41 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 9/7/2013 9:14:34 PM, Sidewalker wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: No.
Has nothing ever been observed in nature? Short answer, nope, there's no evidence that nothing has ever existed, in fact, by definition, it hasn't. It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater |
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9/8/2013 2:33:16 AM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 9:39:46 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 9/7/2013 9:14:34 PM, Sidewalker wrote:At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: That's different, and there's still two problems. One, it's "provably impossible" for nothing to exist, it's a contradiction interms. Two, if you argue that in the beginning something came from God, then by following the same logic, God came from nothing. Infinite regression is always a bad argument, wherever you try to stop it, it can always be asked, but where did that come from. What's the difference between saying God always existed and saying the universe always existed? What's the difference between asking what came before the Universe and asking what came before God? If you say nothing came before the Universe and therefore the Universe came from nothing, then you have to say the same thing about God and you are right back to "provably impossible". Fact is, "in the beginning" drives us into a logically inconceivable area, no matter how you slice it. Logically, you just cant get there from here. It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater |
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9/8/2013 2:36:09 AM Posted: 7 years ago You could restate the OP:
In order to be a theist, you have to believe God came out of nothing, despite this being provably impossible. It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater |
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9/8/2013 4:47:21 AM Posted: 7 years ago At 9/7/2013 6:41:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote: Try to figure out what atheism actually is before posting this biased sh*t. Turn around, go back. |
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9/8/2013 1:00:06 PM Posted: 7 years ago Theists always try to shamelessly straw-man Atheism. I have had theists say that to be an Atheist, you have to believe that matter and motion are all that exist....What?! Lol To be an Atheist, all you "have to do" is not believe in God; that's it.
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