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Are souls puppets in God"s hands?

dattaswami
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1/13/2019 7:34:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
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The source of your question is the confusion between nivM71;tti (divine life) and pravM71;tti (worldly life). The statement given by Me is related to nivM71;tti and not to pravM71;tti. Freedom is given to all human souls, Who are responsible for freely choosing to perform good deeds or bad deeds in pravM71;tti (Svabhāvastu pravartate"Gītā). Even here, God preaches to the souls through ethical scriptures and also directly in the form of Human Incarnations. His preaching clearly describes which deeds are good and which are bad.

In pravM71;tti, The human being takes the credit for the fruits of his good deeds, And tries to throw the blame for the fruits of his bad deeds on God! PravM71;tti belongs to all of humanity whereas nivM71;tti belongs to an extremely small number of climax devotees to God, Who have surrendered to God totally (Tameva "7;araM51;am gaccha"Gītā).

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johnhermes
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1/16/2019 11:10:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
How do you define God though? You're defining God as a "personal" entity. Computers and natural laws are impersonal principles. So it really depends on if there's a "personal" god then does that mean you have no free will? Can a "god" not give you all the free will in the world? You're only a slave to your own conditioning. God has nothing to do with it.
happylilstar
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1/16/2019 11:17:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
This is some deep stuff for 6 in the morning. Really fascinating discussion.

Question: how are you two defining freedom and free will?
Shibani
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1/18/2019 6:48:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Souls are puppets in nobody's hands. God is an abstract entity which most people grow to believe in for faith and hope. That's okay, As long as they realize that their actions aren't really ever controlled OR justified by delivering responsibility to 'master spirits'.
johnhermes
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1/19/2019 9:49:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Abstract energies in an orderly fashion. Impersonal archetypes through personal lenses. The paradox of reality.

"The great Fourth Hermetic Principle--the Principle of Polarity embodies the truth that all manifested things have "two sides"; "two aspects"; "two poles"; a "pair of opposites, " with manifold degrees between the two extremes. The old paradoxes, Which have ever perplexed the mind of men, Are explained by an understanding of this Principle. Man has always recognized something akin to this Principle, And has endeavored to express it by such sayings, Maxims and aphorisms as the following: "Everything is and isn't, At the same time"; "all truths are but half-truths"; "every truth is half-false"; "there are two sides to everything"--"there is a reverse side to every shield, " - The Kybalion
melcharaz
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3/4/2019 3:25:16 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
God is in control of everything. Scripture verifies this. Devil has very little authority and his power was given to him by God as he makes clear when trying to tempt Jesus in the wilderness.
dattaswami
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3/4/2019 2:14:25 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
freedom to do anything is free will. Both mean same.

If an action is done, The fruit is not under our control. God will decide its fruit. Fore more clarity please go through the below message of Shri Swami.

Free will exists under supervision of Lord " (Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

The Lord is controlling all the souls as per Veda "Aatmeshwaram", Which means that all the souls are ruled by the Lord. Gita also says the same "Bhuthanaam Eeswarah". But this does not mean that there is no independence for the soul. When the king rules the kingdom, All the people in that kingdom are independent in their activities, But they are within the rules of the king. Thus a short span of independence in the human life exists under the control and supervision of the Lord.

A cat caught a rat by its jaws. It leaves the rat after a bite for a short span of time. In that span the rat gets independence and runs in any side as it likes. But the cat is watching the rat and catches it again whenever the rat is out of the limits of the supervision. Similarly the Lord called "Kaala" (death) catches a human being and bites. The bite is the illness of the human being. The repeated diseases are the repeated bites of the "Kaala" or the Lord.

During the bite the rat looses completely its independence. Similarly any human being, Which is attacked by the disease becomes a patient and looses its independence completely. The cat plays with the rat for sometime like this and finally swallows the rat. Similarly, The human being is swallowed by the Lord at the end.

The whole creation itself is like a rat for the cat like Lord, Which is told in Brahmasutra "Atta Charaachara Grahanaat". Thus the short span of independence of human beings under the supervision of the overall controlling Lord creates the full game and entertainment for the Lord.

Within the limits of the supervision of the cat, The rat will receive the result of the direction in which it runs. In one direction there may be fire and the rat may receive the heat. In another direction there may be cold water and the rat will receive the coolness in that direction. The rat is independent to receive the result of the direction and has full independence to go in any direction.

The final death of the rat shows that the rat is under the control of the cat during its choice of direction also, Which is not interfered by the cat. Similarly the human life is with full of independence but the final end proves that the independence is under the control of the Lord. Yet, Since there was no interference of the Lord during the human life, The human being receives the results according to its actions. Thus the "whole game is perfectly justified in any angle. "
EtrnlVw
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3/18/2019 4:15:50 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Souls aren't "controlled" by the Creator like puppets, They ARE an expression and an extension of God so God is not controlling rather God is experiencing through individual vessels and expressing Itself, The term controlling is misleading because there is no slave or puppet only creative expressions of a singular Reality.
God being omnipresent has direct access to all channels of awareness and this is how the Creator channels Its creativity and fun in creation.
However, The soul becomes co-creator in creation meaning the soul is able to develop its own personality through its own experiences while it is embodied and make decisions based on its own desires and circumstances. This is what gives God fresh, Dynamic experiences and endless outlets to observe through and learn about Itself.
Both God and the soul make its "own" choices because they are essentially one and the same only one is limited by its ability and perception however, It is all still God at one level. When the soul makes a choice, It may be by limited perception but it is still God making that choice because that soul is not distinct in nature to God. The individual soul is learning about itself through experiences and choices in a dualistic environment. . . Weird to explain in a way but basically you have two realities at play that are of the same source, One being a restricted form of its true self. It is like God having smaller versions of Itself that God is able to look through or observe through to experience something away from the alone state. The brain and physical body along with the mind and emotions confine the souls experience, Whereas in the God head or the God state everything is experienced simultaneously and there is nothing and no experience outside of God. Basically the Creator gets the best of both worlds or the manifestations of many realities.
Sonofcharl
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3/25/2019 9:40:39 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
Philosophies of assumptions.
Which is all well and good and in the spirit of philosophy I suppose, But as ever, Never actually achieves anything.

And wisdom is just as much an assumption as any other assumed quality, Such as the assumptions of Gods and souls.

The organic output of data from randomly programmed internal systems. Unattributable to cross referencing of inherent programmes. Easily evidenced by countless examples of alternative racial and cultural programming.

Are we assuming that God has hands or is this merely metaphorical?
I would suggest, Easily a metaphor for any systemic manipulation or conditioning and the logic or illogic of assumption is no more or no less this.

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