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5/28/2017 10:37:04 AM
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by Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs.

talks about terrorism, its causes and ISIS stuff....
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5/28/2017 3:32:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/28/2017 10:37:04 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
by Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs.



talks about terrorism, its causes and ISIS stuff....

This is dumb. Don't link us to articles without describing the contents of articles
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5/28/2017 8:58:08 PM
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At 5/28/2017 3:32:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/28/2017 10:37:04 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
by Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs.



talks about terrorism, its causes and ISIS stuff....

This is dumb. Don't link us to articles without describing the contents of articles

this is dumb because it hurts you its because that he says islam is not the reason? the content is the causes of suicide terrorism and how to tackle it read again.
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5/28/2017 9:42:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/28/2017 9:03:17 PM, Emilrose wrote:
I'm so bored of politics.

well people have to see the other side of the coin instead repeating stuff which spread hate and fear of others...

and generally poeple are in religion or politics... other forums are empty which is sucks
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5/28/2017 9:57:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/28/2017 8:58:08 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 3:32:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/28/2017 10:37:04 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
by Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs.



talks about terrorism, its causes and ISIS stuff....

This is dumb. Don't link us to articles without describing the contents of articles

this is dumb because it hurts you its because that he says islam is not the reason? the content is the causes of suicide terrorism and how to tackle it read again.

Islam has nothing to do with the fact that suicide bombers are bombing people in the name of Islam? Bit of a stretch, mate.
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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5/28/2017 10:04:18 PM
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At 5/28/2017 9:57:09 PM, Devilry wrote:
At 5/28/2017 8:58:08 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 3:32:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/28/2017 10:37:04 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
by Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs.



talks about terrorism, its causes and ISIS stuff....

This is dumb. Don't link us to articles without describing the contents of articles

this is dumb because it hurts you its because that he says islam is not the reason? the content is the causes of suicide terrorism and how to tackle it read again.

Islam has nothing to do with the fact that suicide bombers are bombing people in the name of Islam? Bit of a stretch, mate.

religion/belief play as a rule of motivation or justification of their actions... the reason why they doing it is something else. instead throwing words at each other here why not watch this lecture if you really want to learn something about suicide terrorism by a professor who studied every suicide attack by the thousands? i worth nothing he does.
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5/28/2017 10:04:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/28/2017 9:42:50 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 9:03:17 PM, Emilrose wrote:
I'm so bored of politics.

well people have to see the other side of the coin instead repeating stuff which spread hate and fear of others...

Well, it's like I said yesterday...both anti-West and anti-Islam viewpoints are somewhat misguided. There isn't any justification for *any* terrorist attack that occurs, but likewise it's stupid to blame an entire religion...especially as most homegrown terrorists are not religious at all.

and generally poeple are in religion or politics... other forums are empty which is sucks

Yeah, the history forum should have more activity.
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5/28/2017 10:07:10 PM
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At 5/28/2017 10:04:18 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 9:57:09 PM, Devilry wrote:
At 5/28/2017 8:58:08 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 3:32:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/28/2017 10:37:04 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
by Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs.



talks about terrorism, its causes and ISIS stuff....

This is dumb. Don't link us to articles without describing the contents of articles

this is dumb because it hurts you its because that he says islam is not the reason? the content is the causes of suicide terrorism and how to tackle it read again.

Islam has nothing to do with the fact that suicide bombers are bombing people in the name of Islam? Bit of a stretch, mate.

religion/belief play as a rule of motivation or justification of their actions... the reason why they doing it is something else. instead throwing words at each other here why not watch this lecture if you really want to learn something about suicide terrorism by a professor who studied every suicide attack by the thousands? i worth nothing he does.

I've watched the first half an hour or so of it already; I'll get back to it. But be forewarned: it's not going to excuse Islam.
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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5/28/2017 10:11:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/28/2017 10:04:40 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 5/28/2017 9:42:50 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 9:03:17 PM, Emilrose wrote:
I'm so bored of politics.

well people have to see the other side of the coin instead repeating stuff which spread hate and fear of others...

Well, it's like I said yesterday...both anti-West and anti-Islam viewpoints are somewhat misguided. There isn't any justification for *any* terrorist attack that occurs, but likewise it's stupid to blame an entire religion...especially as most homegrown terrorists are not religious at all.

and generally poeple are in religion or politics... other forums are empty which is sucks

Yeah, the history forum should have more activity.

sure...
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5/28/2017 10:13:21 PM
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At 5/28/2017 10:11:19 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 10:04:40 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 5/28/2017 9:42:50 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 9:03:17 PM, Emilrose wrote:
I'm so bored of politics.

well people have to see the other side of the coin instead repeating stuff which spread hate and fear of others...

Well, it's like I said yesterday...both anti-West and anti-Islam viewpoints are somewhat misguided. There isn't any justification for *any* terrorist attack that occurs, but likewise it's stupid to blame an entire religion...especially as most homegrown terrorists are not religious at all.

and generally poeple are in religion or politics... other forums are empty which is sucks

Yeah, the history forum should have more activity.

sure...

Well go on then, you live in Israel...post something naughty about it in the history forum :D
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5/28/2017 10:15:06 PM
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At 5/28/2017 10:13:21 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 5/28/2017 10:11:19 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 10:04:40 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 5/28/2017 9:42:50 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 9:03:17 PM, Emilrose wrote:
I'm so bored of politics.

well people have to see the other side of the coin instead repeating stuff which spread hate and fear of others...

Well, it's like I said yesterday...both anti-West and anti-Islam viewpoints are somewhat misguided. There isn't any justification for *any* terrorist attack that occurs, but likewise it's stupid to blame an entire religion...especially as most homegrown terrorists are not religious at all.

and generally poeple are in religion or politics... other forums are empty which is sucks

Yeah, the history forum should have more activity.

sure...

Well go on then, you live in Israel...post something naughty about it in the history forum :D

- :O
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5/30/2017 6:01:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/28/2017 8:58:08 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 3:32:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/28/2017 10:37:04 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
by Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs.



talks about terrorism, its causes and ISIS stuff....

This is dumb. Don't link us to articles without describing the contents of articles

this is dumb because it hurts you its because that he says islam is not the reason? the content is the causes of suicide terrorism and how to tackle it read again.

I didn't watch the video and have no opinion on it, I am just teaching you how to post a proper thread
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5/30/2017 12:43:11 PM
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At 5/28/2017 10:37:04 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
by Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs.



talks about terrorism, its causes and ISIS stuff....

I haven't watched it yet. I just want to point out that radicalization is complex and relays on mechanisms we all possess, such as a desire to belong.

The thing we miss when discussing and studying how individuals get radicalized into groups is why so many people shun that intellectual endeavour understanding why people radicalize.

It seems to me that everyone understands notions like the "brotherhood" with a band of soldiers or a street gang and the intense feeling of belonging, yet when it comes to radical Islamic terrorism we skip straight to kill them all with nary a though to addressing the social environment which incubates people to radicalize.

Certain sects of religion plays a huge part with radicalization in the middle East. We unfortunately continue to support regime s like the Saudi's that is directly related in terms of schools who promote the superiority of Islam over others to the rise of Sunni Terror groups like ISIS. There is direct implications to foreign policy and security when we ignore how radical groups arise.

Heck we have a decent sized problem with right wing radical terrorism in this country that is deflected as a fringe so the greater right is not tainted rather than address the issue.

That leads to another issue in that why are not the larger groups that these sub radical groups arise under (not attributing fault here, just recognizing the radical group has adopted and perverted some belief system) not leading the charge against them?

I'm afraid though the intellectual pursuit to understand radicalization to find the best solutions is not in our country's make up. Radicalization will be a problem hundreds of years from now.
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5/30/2017 9:20:07 PM
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At 5/30/2017 12:43:11 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 10:37:04 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
by Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs.



talks about terrorism, its causes and ISIS stuff....

I haven't watched it yet. I just want to point out that radicalization is complex and relays on mechanisms we all possess, such as a desire to belong.

The thing we miss when discussing and studying how individuals get radicalized into groups is why so many people shun that intellectual endeavour understanding why people radicalize.

It seems to me that everyone understands notions like the "brotherhood" with a band of soldiers or a street gang and the intense feeling of belonging, yet when it comes to radical Islamic terrorism we skip straight to kill them all with nary a though to addressing the social environment which incubates people to radicalize.

vast majority why people turn to terrorism acts is because foreign policy. its very simple just check what terrorism experts say on the issue you can buy their books, if its too far just watch their lecture on youtube for a beginning. here another interesting expert on the issue - Scott Atran.


Certain sects of religion plays a huge part with radicalization in the middle East. We unfortunately continue to support regime s like the Saudi's that is directly related in terms of schools who promote the superiority of Islam over others to the rise of Sunni Terror groups like ISIS. There is direct implications to foreign policy and security when we ignore how radical groups arise.

that is not true that religoin plays a huge part of it. see what Repert Pape says -
Pape's Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism (2005) contradicts many widely held beliefs about suicide terrorism. Based on an analysis of every known case of suicide terrorism from 1980 to 2003 (315 attacks as part of 18 campaigns), he concludes that there is "little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world"s religions... . Rather, what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland" (p. 4). "The taproot of suicide terrorism is nationalism," he argues; it is "an extreme strategy for national liberation" (pp. 79"80). Pape's work examines groups such as the Al-Qaeda to the Sri Lankan Tamil Tigers. Pape also notably provides further evidence to a growing body of literature that finds that the majority of suicide terrorists do not come from impoverished or uneducated backgrounds, but rather have middle class origins and a significant level of education.

what radicalise poeple? http://nationalinterest.org...

Heck we have a decent sized problem with right wing radical terrorism in this country that is deflected as a fringe so the greater right is not tainted rather than address the issue.

That leads to another issue in that why are not the larger groups that these sub radical groups arise under (not attributing fault here, just recognizing the radical group has adopted and perverted some belief system) not leading the charge against them?

I'm afraid though the intellectual pursuit to understand radicalization to find the best solutions is not in our country's make up. Radicalization will be a problem hundreds of years from now.

no it will not. "Islamic" terrorism is been here only about 20 years . before that you have 1400 years of Islam you know. lets not talking about US terrorsim. just take Noam Chomsk/ William Blum's books. here good one https://www.amazon.com...
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5/30/2017 11:31:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/28/2017 9:57:09 PM, Devilry wrote:
At 5/28/2017 8:58:08 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 3:32:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/28/2017 10:37:04 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
by Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs.



talks about terrorism, its causes and ISIS stuff....

This is dumb. Don't link us to articles without describing the contents of articles

this is dumb because it hurts you its because that he says islam is not the reason? the content is the causes of suicide terrorism and how to tackle it read again.

Islam has nothing to do with the fact that suicide bombers are bombing people in the name of Islam? Bit of a stretch, mate.

It seems collectively stupid to breed Islamic hate as an enemy of isis. I mean, let's humiliate isis, but Islam should be respected.
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5/30/2017 11:33:18 PM
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At 5/30/2017 11:31:24 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 5/28/2017 9:57:09 PM, Devilry wrote:
At 5/28/2017 8:58:08 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 3:32:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/28/2017 10:37:04 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
by Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs.



talks about terrorism, its causes and ISIS stuff....

This is dumb. Don't link us to articles without describing the contents of articles

this is dumb because it hurts you its because that he says islam is not the reason? the content is the causes of suicide terrorism and how to tackle it read again.

Islam has nothing to do with the fact that suicide bombers are bombing people in the name of Islam? Bit of a stretch, mate.

It seems collectively stupid to breed Islamic hate as an enemy of isis. I mean, let's humiliate isis, but Islam should be respected.

No it shouldn't.
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.
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5/30/2017 11:41:43 PM
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At 5/30/2017 11:33:18 PM, Devilry wrote:
At 5/30/2017 11:31:24 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 5/28/2017 9:57:09 PM, Devilry wrote:
At 5/28/2017 8:58:08 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 5/28/2017 3:32:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/28/2017 10:37:04 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
by Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago specializing in international security affairs.



talks about terrorism, its causes and ISIS stuff....

This is dumb. Don't link us to articles without describing the contents of articles

this is dumb because it hurts you its because that he says islam is not the reason? the content is the causes of suicide terrorism and how to tackle it read again.

Islam has nothing to do with the fact that suicide bombers are bombing people in the name of Islam? Bit of a stretch, mate.

It seems collectively stupid to breed Islamic hate as an enemy of isis. I mean, let's humiliate isis, but Islam should be respected.

No it shouldn't.

Better now than never or what?
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5/30/2017 11:47:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Islam currently is one great big blasphemy of a religion. It doesn't deserve respect. I mean, they'll blow us up over drawing Muhammad. Let them fix their religion.
: : : At 11/15/2016 6:22:17 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
: That's not racism. Thats economics.

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