The Costs of Free Healthcare
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4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM Posted: 6 years ago What would you prefer, free healthcare in Canada that you would have to wait months for access, or extremely expensive US healthcare that you wouldn't have to wait so long for?
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4/14/2012 1:53:48 AM Posted: 6 years ago There ain't no such thing as free healthcare. It's either paid directly or through taxes.
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4/14/2012 2:26:12 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 1:53:48 AM, darkkermit wrote: At least SOMEONE gets it DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org... http://www.debate.org... 12/14/14 to 1/1/15 = VP of DDO 8/4/18 to 8/6/18 = Start of the Worst Spam Attack in DDO History (61 Hours, 21 Minutes, and 37 seconds... Estimated 63,175 Spam Posts during the main attack) Be Today's Hero and Tomorrow's Hero The trash from yesterday will still be trash from every day onwards |
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4/14/2012 7:50:11 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: neither https://rekonomics.wordpress.com... "A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross |
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4/14/2012 9:47:36 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: US healthcare is not extremely expensive. And what Kermit said. "Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil." |
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4/14/2012 9:49:56 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: You think dying because you waited so long is costly. https://rekonomics.wordpress.com... "A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross |
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4/14/2012 11:10:04 AM Posted: 6 years ago I'd prefer healthcare that's free as in libre. No state mandates to insurers, no federal mandates to insurees, neither to providers, so you don't have to pay for anything but what's in the contract.
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4/14/2012 11:18:48 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 1:53:48 AM, darkkermit wrote: I'm aware that it isn't exactly "free." It's just what you call it when you pay through taxes "Anarchism stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals"" -Emma Goldman |
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4/14/2012 11:21:43 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 9:47:36 AM, Lordknukle wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: More money per person is spent on health care in the USA than in any other nation in the world, and a greater percentage of total income in the nation is spent on health care in the USA than in any United Nations member state except for East Timor. A 2001 study in five states found that medical debt contributed to 46.2% of all personal bankruptcies and in 2007, 62.1% of filers for bankruptcies claimed high medical expenses. http://en.wikipedia.org...
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4/14/2012 11:24:17 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: Months for access to what? or extremely expensive US healthcare that you wouldn't have to wait so long for? yang. |
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4/14/2012 11:25:51 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 11:24:17 AM, tulle wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: Months to access healthcare since there is a long line for access to free healthcare "Anarchism stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals"" -Emma Goldman |
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4/14/2012 11:33:43 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 11:25:51 AM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 11:24:17 AM, tulle wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: Yes, but specifically what? "Healthcare" is a broad term and "months for access to free healthcare" is a broad generalization. If I start coughing right now I could walk into any doctor's office right now and see a doctor right now. yang. |
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4/14/2012 11:34:21 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 11:33:43 AM, tulle wrote:At 4/14/2012 11:25:51 AM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 11:24:17 AM, tulle wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: ...and I wouldn't pay a dime out of pocket. yang. |
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4/14/2012 11:43:58 AM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 11:34:21 AM, tulle wrote:At 4/14/2012 11:33:43 AM, tulle wrote:At 4/14/2012 11:25:51 AM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 11:24:17 AM, tulle wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: Yea it is a broad generalization This thread was just supposed to be a question of what you think is less burdensome at its worse. "Anarchism stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals"" -Emma Goldman |
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4/14/2012 12:20:21 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 11:21:43 AM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 9:47:36 AM, Lordknukle wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: US healthcare is clusterf ucked. It is nether free market, nor socialist healthcare, therefore making it the worst of both system. To truly reduce costs and increase efficiency, we need a free market healthcare system that allows competition with absolutely no government involvement for any groups. And what Kermit said. "Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil." |
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4/14/2012 12:34:55 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: There is no such thing as free healthcare "Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle |
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4/14/2012 1:08:32 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 12:34:55 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: I am perfectly aware of that It is just what you call it when you pay for it through taxes I know "free" healthcare is not exactly "free" "Anarchism stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals"" -Emma Goldman |
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4/14/2012 2:43:12 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 1:08:32 PM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:34:55 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: No it's called nationalized healthcare. The term "free healthcare" is only used when someone wishes to intentionally mislead people. "Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle |
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4/14/2012 3:02:55 PM Posted: 6 years ago What DK said. 22% of all Canada's taxes go to Healthcare for this reason. I think SOcialist healthcare needs lots of work before it is successful..
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4/14/2012 3:24:03 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 3:02:55 PM, Viper-King wrote: A large portion of taxes will inherently go to the socialist healthcare system because it requires funding. The money to provide the socialist healthcare to the citizens has to come out of somewhere, and socialist healthcare requires taxes to go to healthcare. Nothing is free; the cash must be generated from somewhere to pay the doctors. If you don't like this then you don't like socialist healthcare. What is happening in Canada is socialist healthcare (I know because I live there). Not to mention that some things are not covered such as dental health so to cover that even more taxes would be required. "Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil." |
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4/14/2012 4:57:58 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 2:26:12 AM, imabench wrote:At 4/14/2012 1:53:48 AM, darkkermit wrote: +100 "The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff "Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan |
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4/14/2012 4:59:20 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 2:43:12 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 1:08:32 PM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:34:55 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: Yes. Call it Single-Payer, Socialized Medicine, whatever it is please. The way you frame is intentionally misleads. "The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff "Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan |
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4/14/2012 5:03:37 PM Posted: 6 years ago I'm for a total revamping of the current healthcare system, but by no means does it need to be as dramatic as single payer or any other government monopoly.
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4/14/2012 5:16:53 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 5:03:37 PM, Wnope wrote: That is true "The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff "Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan |
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4/14/2012 5:25:51 PM Posted: 6 years ago Technically it is free healthcare if you pay little to no taxes.
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4/14/2012 8:44:25 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 4:59:20 PM, Contra wrote:At 4/14/2012 2:43:12 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 1:08:32 PM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:34:55 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: I didn't "intentionally" mislead anyone It wasn't deliberate "Anarchism stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals"" -Emma Goldman |
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4/14/2012 8:46:00 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 8:44:25 PM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 4:59:20 PM, Contra wrote:At 4/14/2012 2:43:12 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 1:08:32 PM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:34:55 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: Do you support Single-Payer? "The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff "Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan |
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4/14/2012 8:49:14 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 8:46:00 PM, Contra wrote:At 4/14/2012 8:44:25 PM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 4:59:20 PM, Contra wrote:At 4/14/2012 2:43:12 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 1:08:32 PM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:34:55 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: I am undecided That is why I made this forum "Anarchism stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals"" -Emma Goldman |
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4/14/2012 8:50:09 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 8:49:14 PM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 8:46:00 PM, Contra wrote:At 4/14/2012 8:44:25 PM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 4:59:20 PM, Contra wrote:At 4/14/2012 2:43:12 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 1:08:32 PM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:34:55 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: Okay, I'll enlighten you and others to the beauty of a Single-Payer health care system, I'll expand in a minute "The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff "Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan |
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4/14/2012 8:52:30 PM Posted: 6 years ago At 4/14/2012 8:50:09 PM, Contra wrote:At 4/14/2012 8:49:14 PM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 8:46:00 PM, Contra wrote:At 4/14/2012 8:44:25 PM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 4:59:20 PM, Contra wrote:At 4/14/2012 2:43:12 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 1:08:32 PM, Yarely wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:34:55 PM, DanT wrote:At 4/14/2012 12:56:49 AM, Yarely wrote: Yarely, brace yourself for some propagandized BS "Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle |