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8/1/2018 3:36:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 1:55:49 AM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
If the large majority of the media provide skewed facts, do we still have a free press?

Yes. Who decides what is skewed?
Heterodox
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8/1/2018 3:41:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 1:55:49 AM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
If the large majority of the media provide skewed facts, do we still have a free press?

Well, that's why a lot of people don't get their news from mainstream sources. Because they are not owned by the same 5 companies.
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8/1/2018 12:38:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 1:55:49 AM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
If the large majority of the media provide skewed facts, do we still have a free press?

the "freedom" is the ability to do it. You are free to lie and not be accurate.
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8/1/2018 2:43:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 3:36:31 AM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 8/1/2018 1:55:49 AM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
If the large majority of the media provide skewed facts, do we still have a free press?

Yes. Who decides what is skewed?

By skewed I meant untruthful, not necessarily biased. Although, I think one could make the argument that hiding or neglecting facts, which you find that in biased reporting, is a form of being untruthful.

Either way, the truth is the truth. It is absolute and not up to interpretation. I
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8/1/2018 3:24:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 12:38:06 PM, thedreadpirateroberts wrote:
At 8/1/2018 1:55:49 AM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
If the large majority of the media provide skewed facts, do we still have a free press?

the "freedom" is the ability to do it. You are free to lie and not be accurate.

Not really. Freedom of press is the ability to disseminate information with impunity from outside influence. Namely, this is the government but my argument is that it is actually from any political source. When the majority of the channels of information are severly tainted, to the point of not only being uncorraborated but false and untruthful, then we've lost our ability to access free, non-politically influenced information.
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8/1/2018 3:29:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 3:24:41 PM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
At 8/1/2018 12:38:06 PM, thedreadpirateroberts wrote:
At 8/1/2018 1:55:49 AM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
If the large majority of the media provide skewed facts, do we still have a free press?

the "freedom" is the ability to do it. You are free to lie and not be accurate.

Not really. Freedom of press is the ability to disseminate information with impunity from outside influence. Namely, this is the government but my argument is that it is actually from any political source. When the majority of the channels of information are severly tainted, to the point of not only being uncorraborated but false and untruthful, then we've lost our ability to access free, non-politically influenced information.

I would agree with that, the purpose of for "Freedom of the press" seems lost hence the terms "dishonest media" and "fake news' in general they have lost a lot of trust and credibility. They didn't learn from the boy who cried wolf.
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8/2/2018 2:52:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 3:29:18 PM, thedreadpirateroberts wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:24:41 PM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
At 8/1/2018 12:38:06 PM, thedreadpirateroberts wrote:
At 8/1/2018 1:55:49 AM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
If the large majority of the media provide skewed facts, do we still have a free press?

the "freedom" is the ability to do it. You are free to lie and not be accurate.

Not really. Freedom of press is the ability to disseminate information with impunity from outside influence. Namely, this is the government but my argument is that it is actually from any political source. When the majority of the channels of information are severly tainted, to the point of not only being uncorraborated but false and untruthful, then we've lost our ability to access free, non-politically influenced information.

I would agree with that, the purpose of for "Freedom of the press" seems lost hence the terms "dishonest media" and "fake news' in general they have lost a lot of trust and credibility. They didn't learn from the boy who cried wolf.

The press can say anything they want if they don't have to give a source, which seems to be the norm these days. It cannot be verified, so they can outright lie if they want to support or slander people or administrations.
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8/2/2018 3:08:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/2/2018 2:52:33 PM, Davery79 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:29:18 PM, thedreadpirateroberts wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:24:41 PM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
At 8/1/2018 12:38:06 PM, thedreadpirateroberts wrote:
At 8/1/2018 1:55:49 AM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
If the large majority of the media provide skewed facts, do we still have a free press?

the "freedom" is the ability to do it. You are free to lie and not be accurate.

Not really. Freedom of press is the ability to disseminate information with impunity from outside influence. Namely, this is the government but my argument is that it is actually from any political source. When the majority of the channels of information are severly tainted, to the point of not only being uncorraborated but false and untruthful, then we've lost our ability to access free, non-politically influenced information.

I would agree with that, the purpose of for "Freedom of the press" seems lost hence the terms "dishonest media" and "fake news' in general they have lost a lot of trust and credibility. They didn't learn from the boy who cried wolf.

The press can say anything they want if they don't have to give a source, which seems to be the norm these days. It cannot be verified, so they can outright lie if they want to support or slander people or administrations.

that's true, the purpose of the press is all but gone, just relaying facts as unbiased as possible, it's infotainment now, all about viewership and ratings which makes money. the news use to be very boring, a far cry from what it is now. This is how they are trying to compete with online sources. Jerry Springer was very successful, they are taking some pages out of his play book.
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8/2/2018 5:07:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
You still ideally have freedom of the press, but practically speaking that was eroded awhile ago by the press themselves so as to maintain viewership.

Unslanted news sources dont get much attention. That's not the government's fault, or even media, they're responding to what people want. Biased media is just a symptom of the overall core issue of intense polarization fmpov.
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8/2/2018 5:28:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Yes, because in theory somebody could at any time come along, set up shop as a newsmedia source, and provide factual, unbiased information to the public. There doesn't seem to be anything like that at this time, but still.
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8/2/2018 5:30:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
If the media's biased, there are two primary reasons:

1. The public has become warped and jaded and no longer wants honest, "bland" reporting
2. Certain big interests with an agenda to propagate work to control and corrupt the press via the monetary resources at their disposal
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8/2/2018 8:52:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Well, you can define the word "free" in different ways.
If you think it means they can print whatever they feel like printing, that is not far from the truth.
THAT is what is happening now.
back in 2015 a free press was thought to be something a democracy needed, and "journalist" was a well respected profession.
Then Trump got in the news in 2016, bringing with him a ton of New York sarcasm, along with an innovative new campaign strategy that the democrats did not know how to deal with.
look, a politician is supposed to show the press the highest respect, they are supposed to be worried about what the press will say about them and the voters will read. Trump called them "fake news", It looks like he got away with it.
So the journalists got angry and kept writing stories about what a bum he is. The liberals read these and they believe it. Then they decided to make predictions about all these bad things that would happen if people voted for Trump. That was a REALLY dumb idea. Predictions tell you what may happen, they usually don't tell you what will happen.
Therefore predictions are the kind of news that is not fit to print.
Instead of the predictions becoming fact, they have been proved to be fiction. What really happened was the people were offered a choice between a politician and the kind of guy who can get things done. Trump is the latter. As a result the liberals now have to worry about the blue wave becoming a red wave, and it looks like all they can is stop buying stuff and spending money as much as they can, this could cause a bad recession and hope the recession will change voters minds about Trump.
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8/2/2018 9:07:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 1:55:49 AM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
If the large majority of the media provide skewed facts, do we still have a free press?

You would not be able to type that sentence and remain a free man if we did not have a free press in America.
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8/3/2018 5:59:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/2/2018 9:07:15 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 8/1/2018 1:55:49 AM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
If the large majority of the media provide skewed facts, do we still have a free press?

You would not be able to type that sentence and remain a free man if we did not have a free press in America.

You are confusing freedom of speech with freedom of the press.
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8/3/2018 6:05:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/3/2018 5:59:35 PM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
At 8/2/2018 9:07:15 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 8/1/2018 1:55:49 AM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
If the large majority of the media provide skewed facts, do we still have a free press?

You would not be able to type that sentence and remain a free man if we did not have a free press in America.

You are confusing freedom of speech with freedom of the press.

It's the same thing. Nobody is shutting down Fox news or keeping another similar network from forming.
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival.
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8/3/2018 7:07:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/3/2018 6:05:24 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 8/3/2018 5:59:35 PM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
At 8/2/2018 9:07:15 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 8/1/2018 1:55:49 AM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
If the large majority of the media provide skewed facts, do we still have a free press?

You would not be able to type that sentence and remain a free man if we did not have a free press in America.

You are confusing freedom of speech with freedom of the press.

It's the same thing. Nobody is shutting down Fox news or keeping another similar network from forming.

It's definently not the same.

Perhaps no one is shutting down or preventing news networks from forming but that's not really what prevents freedom of the press. Freedom of the press is freedom from those that would influence what is distributed as reliable truthful information. In other words, we are afforded the right to access information where the content hasn't been influenced by political entities with an alterior motive.
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8/3/2018 7:49:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/3/2018 7:07:01 PM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
At 8/3/2018 6:05:24 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 8/3/2018 5:59:35 PM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
At 8/2/2018 9:07:15 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 8/1/2018 1:55:49 AM, Inconvenient_Truth wrote:
If the large majority of the media provide skewed facts, do we still have a free press?

You would not be able to type that sentence and remain a free man if we did not have a free press in America.

You are confusing freedom of speech with freedom of the press.

It's the same thing. Nobody is shutting down Fox news or keeping another similar network from forming.

It's definently not the same.

Perhaps no one is shutting down or preventing news networks from forming but that's not really what prevents freedom of the press. Freedom of the press is freedom from those that would influence what is distributed as reliable truthful information. In other words, we are afforded the right to access information where the content hasn't been influenced by political entities with an alterior motive.

Why can't the government have their own press and the people have their own press?
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival.
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8/4/2018 7:48:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Perhaps no one is shutting down or preventing news networks from forming but that's not really what prevents freedom of the press. Freedom of the press is freedom from those that would influence what is distributed as reliable truthful information. In other words, we are afforded the right to access information where the content hasn't been influenced by political entities with an alterior motive.

Why can't the government have their own press and the people have their own press?

That's not possible, at least given what "the press" means to the American people. I suppose if you take "the press" to be just the means of distributing information to the people then it would be possible to have a press for "the people" and a separate press for "the government" (why the people would need a press other than for the people is beside me). However, the press is defined by the American Constitution as a means to disseminate unsulied information to the people. Our forefathers set up a set of system of checks and balances and freedom of the press is one of those checks - a constitutional guantee to publish information irreguadles of the government's inclinations . Therefore, "the press", as defined by the Constitution, is really only for the people.

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