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Greyparrot
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8/13/2018 3:15:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/13/2018 1:09:00 AM, Leaning wrote:
Living in a war zone is certainly terrible.

Living in a theocracy is bad too.
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival.
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8/13/2018 3:22:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I'm not so sure about that one... Power is power after all, and a theocracy can be benevolent as a democracy or socialist country can be horrific. Sure they may trend one way or the other and I may prefer one over another, but we all have our own aesthetics and beliefs. Maybe.
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8/13/2018 3:41:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/13/2018 3:22:14 AM, Leaning wrote:
a theocracy can be benevolent...

Which nation in history?
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival.
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8/13/2018 3:44:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
http://www.youtube.com...
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival.
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8/13/2018 3:49:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Imperial Rome, Ancient Egypt, old Israel, Pre-revolutionary China, Tibet, until China moved in, Pretty much all of Europe during feudalism (to one degree or another)?

https://rationalwiki.org...

I don't actually know or have any examples myself. It is more a broad statement that I think could/might be. A piece of knowledge I assume is true and thus don't put much thought into.
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8/13/2018 4:15:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/13/2018 3:49:55 AM, Leaning wrote:
Imperial Rome, Ancient Egypt, old Israel, Pre-revolutionary China, Tibet, until China moved in, Pretty much all of Europe during feudalism (to one degree or another)?

https://rationalwiki.org...

I don't actually know or have any examples myself. It is more a broad statement that I think could/might be. A piece of knowledge I assume is true and thus don't put much thought into.

Did you watch the video? Every Theocracy fogoes rational improvement of the human condition in pursuit of ritual Eschatology. Theocracies never produce scientists or great thinkers, or at least don't produce thinkers that stay in the church without vilification.
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival.
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8/13/2018 4:55:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I did not. Most I will admit is that I am not an expert in theocracies and other forms of government and history. Even at my best it's idle reading of bit's and pieces.

I do vaguely recall something about Baghdad being some acclaimed place of learning or something before the moguls sacked it. I assume Baghdad was in/part of a theocratic government.

Rome, people often talk of their great accomplishments in science and learning.

Quora is telling me it wasn't a theocracy but "No. The religious hierarchy was not the supreme power of the state. But the state religion was intertwined into every aspect of Roman life. "
https://www.quora.com...

Anyway, I'm getting off track. Main point is I am doubtful the statement "Living in a theocracy is bad too." is always true. Perhaps not even most of the time. And the times it is terrible are not because of it being a theocracy, but because of $hi**y people.

Would I want to live in a theocracy? No.
Side note, trimming my hair in the back is always so irritating, hard to see even with the mirrors.
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8/13/2018 9:31:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/13/2018 12:22:16 AM, YYW wrote:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk...

Unconscionable.

You've watched too much All Jezeera. SA did not target children. It did not intend to harm children. But this is what happens in war. Even your country has done it.
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8/13/2018 9:36:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/13/2018 4:58:50 AM, Leaning wrote:

Also living in a theocracy might not be bad to people who love living in theocracies.

The fact that most people seek out religious alliances, and voluntarily live their lives according to religious laws, shows that they would be happy living in a theocracy of their religion.

I think the definition of theocracy given by GP is incorrect and biased. Non-the-less, history has shown many societies happy and thriving in theocracies.

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