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Swagnarok
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6/17/2018 6:23:03 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
There is a lot of outrage these days among liberals and some moderates over the separation of children from their illegal immigrant parents.
I don't understand the situation too terribly well, but I would assume that this refers to children with birthright citizenship whose illegal immigrant parents were deported or imprisoned while they were left behind as de facto orphans.

This situation could've been rectified by:
1. Denying citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants, and deporting them alongside their parents
2. Deporting those illegal immigrants in the first place before they could have children on U.S. soil
3. Consider the children to be citizens of the country of origin of their parents (perhaps with the option of moving back to the US when they became adults, as dual citizens), and ship them all back as a family unit regardless of whether their home countries want to accept them or not. At that point, it'd be on the governments of these countries if families were torn apart.

Trump cannot be blamed for the situation at hand. All he's doing is enforcing our laws, for perhaps the first time ever. This day has been made much, much more painful than it had to have been by the inaction or even downright obstruction of Congress, involving people from both parties refusing to act for decades on end. It should be clear also: the large, perhaps overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants in this country cannot rightfully be considered "asylum seekers", but rather opportunist migrants.

If nothing else, one can hope that this will finally lead to comprehensive immigration reform. That is, protection for illegal immigrants who are already here in exchange for strong border security (including the Wall) and much more stringent enforcement of our immigration laws in the future. Congress has drafted a new compromise bill on the subject of immigration, mainly involving the DACA. Maybe we'll get something passed in the coming months.
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Greyparrot
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6/17/2018 7:22:03 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 6/17/2018 6:23:03 PM, Swagnarok wrote:
There is a lot of outrage these days among liberals and some moderates over the separation of children from their illegal immigrant parents.
I don't understand the situation too terribly well, but I would assume that this refers to children with birthright citizenship whose illegal immigrant parents were deported or imprisoned while they were left behind as de facto orphans.

This situation could've been rectified by:
1. Denying citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants, and deporting them alongside their parents
2. Deporting those illegal immigrants in the first place before they could have children on U.S. soil
3. Consider the children to be citizens of the country of origin of their parents (perhaps with the option of moving back to the US when they became adults, as dual citizens), and ship them all back as a family unit regardless of whether their home countries want to accept them or not. At that point, it'd be on the governments of these countries if families were torn apart.

Trump cannot be blamed for the situation at hand. All he's doing is enforcing our laws, for perhaps the first time ever. This day has been made much, much more painful than it had to have been by the inaction or even downright obstruction of Congress, involving people from both parties refusing to act for decades on end. It should be clear also: the large, perhaps overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants in this country cannot rightfully be considered "asylum seekers", but rather opportunist migrants.

If nothing else, one can hope that this will finally lead to comprehensive immigration reform. That is, protection for illegal immigrants who are already here in exchange for strong border security (including the Wall) and much more stringent enforcement of our immigration laws in the future. Congress has drafted a new compromise bill on the subject of immigration, mainly involving the DACA. Maybe we'll get something passed in the coming months.

Unlikely. People are more likely to support a President that ignores laws rather than support a congress person to fix the law.

Voters don't understand the downside of living in a lawless nation yet.
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival.
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6/18/2018 1:08:33 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 6/17/2018 7:22:03 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/17/2018 6:23:03 PM, Swagnarok wrote:
There is a lot of outrage these days among liberals and some moderates over the separation of children from their illegal immigrant parents.
I don't understand the situation too terribly well, but I would assume that this refers to children with birthright citizenship whose illegal immigrant parents were deported or imprisoned while they were left behind as de facto orphans.

This situation could've been rectified by:
1. Denying citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants, and deporting them alongside their parents
2. Deporting those illegal immigrants in the first place before they could have children on U.S. soil
3. Consider the children to be citizens of the country of origin of their parents (perhaps with the option of moving back to the US when they became adults, as dual citizens), and ship them all back as a family unit regardless of whether their home countries want to accept them or not. At that point, it'd be on the governments of these countries if families were torn apart.

Trump cannot be blamed for the situation at hand. All he's doing is enforcing our laws, for perhaps the first time ever. This day has been made much, much more painful than it had to have been by the inaction or even downright obstruction of Congress, involving people from both parties refusing to act for decades on end. It should be clear also: the large, perhaps overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants in this country cannot rightfully be considered "asylum seekers", but rather opportunist migrants.

If nothing else, one can hope that this will finally lead to comprehensive immigration reform. That is, protection for illegal immigrants who are already here in exchange for strong border security (including the Wall) and much more stringent enforcement of our immigration laws in the future. Congress has drafted a new compromise bill on the subject of immigration, mainly involving the DACA. Maybe we'll get something passed in the coming months.

Unlikely. People are more likely to support a President that ignores laws rather than support a congress person to fix the law.

Voters don't understand the downside of living in a lawless nation yet.

Where are we going to put the illegal immigrant children? In the jails with their parents? It's a temporary problem but family detentional facilities are expensive, and Obama denied a ton of government funding that would've gone to family detentional facilities. Kellyanne Conway gave a decent interview on MTP today, which is pretty rare for her. I encourage you to watch it.
https://www.nbcnews.com...
Greyparrot
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6/18/2018 7:57:29 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 6/18/2018 1:08:33 AM, UseYOURname wrote:

It's about time we put Mexicans first.

Mexico FIRST is an initiative coordinated by CANIETI and supported by both the Ministry of Economy and the World Bank, whose main objective is the generation of human capital in order to strengthen the labor supply both in quantity and quality, all for facilitate the development and competitiveness of Mexican companies, as well as the attraction of foreign investments that seek a world-class player in Mexico.

It is born from the experience gained through the MexicoIT campaign, the possible attraction of foreign investments and the possibility of greater growth of the country's companies.

One of six programs called Industry by the Ministry of Economy, a high priority due to the commitment to generate better and better human resources.

- Objective: Generation of human capital in order to strengthen the labor supply both in quantity and quality, all to facilitate the development and competitiveness of Mexican companies, as well as the attraction of foreign investments seeking a world-class player in Mexico .
http://www.canieti.org...
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival.
FungusOfHam
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6/19/2018 2:47:07 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 6/17/2018 6:23:03 PM, Swagnarok wrote:
There is a lot of outrage these days among liberals and some moderates over the separation of children from their illegal immigrant parents.
I don't understand the situation too terribly well, but I would assume that this refers to children with birthright citizenship whose illegal immigrant parents were deported or imprisoned while they were left behind as de facto orphans.

This situation could've been rectified by:
1. Denying citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants, and deporting them alongside their parents
2. Deporting those illegal immigrants in the first place before they could have children on U.S. soil
3. Consider the children to be citizens of the country of origin of their parents (perhaps with the option of moving back to the US when they became adults, as dual citizens), and ship them all back as a family unit regardless of whether their home countries want to accept them or not. At that point, it'd be on the governments of these countries if families were torn apart.

Trump cannot be blamed for the situation at hand. All he's doing is enforcing our laws, for perhaps the first time ever. This day has been made much, much more painful than it had to have been by the inaction or even downright obstruction of Congress, involving people from both parties refusing to act for decades on end. It should be clear also: the large, perhaps overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants in this country cannot rightfully be considered "asylum seekers", but rather opportunist migrants.

If nothing else, one can hope that this will finally lead to comprehensive immigration reform. That is, protection for illegal immigrants who are already here in exchange for strong border security (including the Wall) and much more stringent enforcement of our immigration laws in the future. Congress has drafted a new compromise bill on the subject of immigration, mainly involving the DACA. Maybe we'll get something passed in the coming months.

There is a lot of outrage these days among liberals and some moderates over the separation of children from their illegal immigrant parents.::

HEADLINE FROM MARCH 11,2015, PRE TRUMP-
"Mexican kids held for months as punishment for border-crossing"

https://www.wola.org...