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1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I use to think that only about half of Republicans had any brains or capacity for reason, with Democrats being about the same or at least not too much better. Turns out though, 7 in 8 Republicans think that Russia did not intervene in the US election to try to help Trump, meaning only 1 in 8, a whopping 12.5%, know that they did try to help Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Whats interesting though is that 64% do not believe that there was any hacking in the first place, let alone any hacking done on the behalf of Trump. Of the 29% who did agree there was hacking (The remaining 5% apparently arent sure), 43% (of the 29%) thought it was to help Trump, 51% (of 29%) disagreeing.

Whether or not Russian hacking had any impact on the election outcome is a discussion in itself, and a reasonable thing to question as well..... But not even believing that Russia interfered in the election by hacking the DNC in the first place, by an almost 2-1 margin, speaks volumes about how far off the grid the GOP voter base is becoming.
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1/14/2017 6:55:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
I use to think that only about half of Republicans had any brains or capacity for reason, with Democrats being about the same or at least not too much better. Turns out though, 7 in 8 Republicans think that Russia did not intervene in the US election to try to help Trump, meaning only 1 in 8, a whopping 12.5%, know that they did try to help Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Whats interesting though is that 64% do not believe that there was any hacking in the first place, let alone any hacking done on the behalf of Trump. Of the 29% who did agree there was hacking (The remaining 5% apparently arent sure), 43% (of the 29%) thought it was to help Trump, 51% (of 29%) disagreeing.

Whether or not Russian hacking had any impact on the election outcome is a discussion in itself, and a reasonable thing to question as well..... But not even believing that Russia interfered in the election by hacking the DNC in the first place, by an almost 2-1 margin, speaks volumes about how far off the grid the GOP voter base is becoming.

Maybe they all watch buzzfeed...
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1/14/2017 3:15:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
I use to think that only about half of Republicans had any brains or capacity for reason, with Democrats being about the same or at least not too much better. Turns out though, 7 in 8 Republicans think that Russia did not intervene in the US election to try to help Trump, meaning only 1 in 8, a whopping 12.5%, know that they did try to help Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Whats interesting though is that 64% do not believe that there was any hacking in the first place, let alone any hacking done on the behalf of Trump. Of the 29% who did agree there was hacking (The remaining 5% apparently arent sure), 43% (of the 29%) thought it was to help Trump, 51% (of 29%) disagreeing.

Whether or not Russian hacking had any impact on the election outcome is a discussion in itself, and a reasonable thing to question as well..... But not even believing that Russia interfered in the election by hacking the DNC in the first place, by an almost 2-1 margin, speaks volumes about how far off the grid the GOP voter base is becoming.

It doesn't matter what the Russsians did. They did not cause Hillary to lose the US Election. It was their lack of empathy and respect for the Upper and Central Midwest.
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1/14/2017 8:08:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/14/2017 3:15:21 PM, inferno wrote:
At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
I use to think that only about half of Republicans had any brains or capacity for reason, with Democrats being about the same or at least not too much better. Turns out though, 7 in 8 Republicans think that Russia did not intervene in the US election to try to help Trump, meaning only 1 in 8, a whopping 12.5%, know that they did try to help Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Whats interesting though is that 64% do not believe that there was any hacking in the first place, let alone any hacking done on the behalf of Trump. Of the 29% who did agree there was hacking (The remaining 5% apparently arent sure), 43% (of the 29%) thought it was to help Trump, 51% (of 29%) disagreeing.

Whether or not Russian hacking had any impact on the election outcome is a discussion in itself, and a reasonable thing to question as well..... But not even believing that Russia interfered in the election by hacking the DNC in the first place, by an almost 2-1 margin, speaks volumes about how far off the grid the GOP voter base is becoming.

It doesn't matter what the Russsians did. They did not cause Hillary to lose the US Election. It was their lack of empathy and respect for the Upper and Central Midwest.

That is absurd to suggest the Podesta and DNC emails had zero effect.

We are not stupid. Have you ever considered that you can argue both sides. Admit the hack, admit it probably did have an impact, but argue that the American.people have to right to use the truth to base their decision even if that information was illegally obtained. The hacked information was valid and truthfully information.
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1/14/2017 8:34:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/14/2017 3:15:21 PM, inferno wrote:
At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
I use to think that only about half of Republicans had any brains or capacity for reason, with Democrats being about the same or at least not too much better. Turns out though, 7 in 8 Republicans think that Russia did not intervene in the US election to try to help Trump, meaning only 1 in 8, a whopping 12.5%, know that they did try to help Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Whats interesting though is that 64% do not believe that there was any hacking in the first place, let alone any hacking done on the behalf of Trump. Of the 29% who did agree there was hacking (The remaining 5% apparently arent sure), 43% (of the 29%) thought it was to help Trump, 51% (of 29%) disagreeing.

Whether or not Russian hacking had any impact on the election outcome is a discussion in itself, and a reasonable thing to question as well..... But not even believing that Russia interfered in the election by hacking the DNC in the first place, by an almost 2-1 margin, speaks volumes about how far off the grid the GOP voter base is becoming.

It doesn't matter what the Russians did. They did not cause Hillary to lose the US Election. It was their lack of empathy and respect for the Upper and Central Midwest.

Its not even about whether or not the hacks had an impact, its about whether or not there were even hacks in the first place, which 64% of Republicans dont believe for God knows why.
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1/14/2017 8:42:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
What you and others are missing is that Trump won because the Sanders' voters--the rust belt Democrats--were swayed by the Russian propaganda. And a majority of them still believe that Wikileaks is an independent organization rather than a front for Russian intelligence. They were the ones who helped Trump win the election; Republicans were already convinced, standing united in their hatred of Hillary Clinton.

The real question, therefore, should be directed to these rust belt Democrats:

Do you realize that you indirectly elected Trump as a result of being swayed by Russian propaganda (emails from the DNC hack)?
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1/14/2017 9:16:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/14/2017 8:42:06 PM, NHN wrote:
At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
What you and others are missing is that Trump won because the Sanders' voters--the rust belt Democrats--were swayed by the Russian propaganda.

Sanders voters already knew what they were going to do prior to the Russians interfering in the election (vote Clinton, vote Stein, or not vote at all)

And a majority of them still believe that Wikileaks is an independent organization rather than a front for Russian intelligence. They were the ones who helped Trump win the election; Republicans were already convinced, standing united in their hatred of Hillary Clinton.

The real question, therefore, should be directed to these rust belt Democrats

Trying to shift blame to Democrats in the northeast for an unsourced claim, when half of republicans dont even believe basic facts that took place regarding the hacking, is simply disingenuous on your part. Republicans across the nation are showing their colors by not being able to view reality, and the number is only growing
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1/14/2017 10:50:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/14/2017 9:16:37 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/14/2017 8:42:06 PM, NHN wrote:
At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
What you and others are missing is that Trump won because the Sanders' voters--the rust belt Democrats--were swayed by the Russian propaganda.
Sanders voters already knew what they were going to do prior to the Russians interfering in the election (vote Clinton, vote Stein, or not vote at all)
The Bernie-or-bust phalanx was heavily influenced by the DNC hack. And Trump successfully parroted the meme "the system is rigged" to point out how Clinton stole the primary from Sanders--the phalanx agreed and acted accordingly. And if you're seriously unconvinced by the impact of rust belt Democrats, just look at the exit polls.

And a majority of them still believe that Wikileaks is an independent organization rather than a front for Russian intelligence. They were the ones who helped Trump win the election; Republicans were already convinced, standing united in their hatred of Hillary Clinton.

The real question, therefore, should be directed to these rust belt Democrats
Trying to shift blame to Democrats in the northeast for an unsourced claim, when half of republicans dont even believe basic facts that took place regarding the hacking, is simply disingenuous on your part. Republicans across the nation are showing their colors by not being able to view reality, and the number is only growing
Wikileaks is a front for Russian intelligence, as is Guccifer as well as the Fancy Bear (FSB) and Cozy Bear (GRU) bots and troll brigades.

As for the stupid answers from Republican voters, I refer to the noncognitivist approach. Don't equate the answer with a factual statement. The response you highlight is no different from the polling which asserts that near-half of Republicans still believe Obama was born in Kenya. Put differently, they are trolling the pollsters while signalling "boo Obama."
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1/14/2017 11:26:48 PM
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At 1/14/2017 9:09:46 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
Astonishing 1 out of 2 Americans believe in UFOs.

http://m.huffpost.com...

And angels, don't forget about angels!
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1/14/2017 11:29:40 PM
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At 1/14/2017 11:26:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/14/2017 9:09:46 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
Astonishing 1 out of 2 Americans believe in UFOs.

http://m.huffpost.com...

And angels, don't forget about angels!

That's the other half.
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1/14/2017 11:32:16 PM
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At 1/14/2017 11:29:40 PM, Devilry wrote:
At 1/14/2017 11:26:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/14/2017 9:09:46 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
Astonishing 1 out of 2 Americans believe in UFOs.

http://m.huffpost.com...

And angels, don't forget about angels!

That's the other half.

You make me want to medicate.
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival.
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1/14/2017 11:45:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/14/2017 11:32:16 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/14/2017 11:29:40 PM, Devilry wrote:
At 1/14/2017 11:26:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/14/2017 9:09:46 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
Astonishing 1 out of 2 Americans believe in UFOs.

http://m.huffpost.com...

And angels, don't forget about angels!

That's the other half.

You make me want to medicate.

Occasionally some of the topics posing as debate do the same to me. Hence the Snarkiness. The sad part is some take it as literal.
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1/15/2017 2:55:34 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/15/2017 2:47:46 AM, Death23 wrote:
Whenever I see stuff like this it makes me think that the people may not be fit to govern themselves.

I'm quickly moving in favor of literacy tests to be able to vote given how easy it isn't for so many people to become misinformed these days. You need to get news from multiple sources from multiple platforms these days just to see the whole picture now, and many people clearly aren't able to do that, or choose not to and stay in a bubble
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1/15/2017 4:31:05 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/15/2017 2:55:34 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/15/2017 2:47:46 AM, Death23 wrote:
Whenever I see stuff like this it makes me think that the people may not be fit to govern themselves.

I'm quickly moving in favor of literacy tests to be able to vote given how easy it isn't for so many people to become misinformed these days. You need to get news from multiple sources from multiple platforms these days just to see the whole picture now, and many people clearly aren't able to do that, or choose not to and stay in a bubble

I know, I mean 56% of people believe Obama was a great president...cmon...
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival.
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1/15/2017 10:19:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
I use to think that only about half of Republicans had any brains or capacity for reason, with Democrats being about the same or at least not too much better. Turns out though, 7 in 8 Republicans think that Russia did not intervene in the US election to try to help Trump, meaning only 1 in 8, a whopping 12.5%, know that they did try to help Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Whats interesting though is that 64% do not believe that there was any hacking in the first place, let alone any hacking done on the behalf of Trump. Of the 29% who did agree there was hacking (The remaining 5% apparently arent sure), 43% (of the 29%) thought it was to help Trump, 51% (of 29%) disagreeing.

Whether or not Russian hacking had any impact on the election outcome is a discussion in itself, and a reasonable thing to question as well..... But not even believing that Russia interfered in the election by hacking the DNC in the first place, by an almost 2-1 margin, speaks volumes about how far off the grid the GOP voter base is becoming.

This is a p4ime example of why I've lost any kind of hope in the GOP.
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1/15/2017 10:20:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/15/2017 10:19:31 AM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
I use to think that only about half of Republicans had any brains or capacity for reason, with Democrats being about the same or at least not too much better. Turns out though, 7 in 8 Republicans think that Russia did not intervene in the US election to try to help Trump, meaning only 1 in 8, a whopping 12.5%, know that they did try to help Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Whats interesting though is that 64% do not believe that there was any hacking in the first place, let alone any hacking done on the behalf of Trump. Of the 29% who did agree there was hacking (The remaining 5% apparently arent sure), 43% (of the 29%) thought it was to help Trump, 51% (of 29%) disagreeing.

Whether or not Russian hacking had any impact on the election outcome is a discussion in itself, and a reasonable thing to question as well..... But not even believing that Russia interfered in the election by hacking the DNC in the first place, by an almost 2-1 margin, speaks volumes about how far off the grid the GOP voter base is becoming.

This is a p4ime example of why I've lost any kind of hope in the GOP.

Do you think the RNC was hacked?
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival.
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1/15/2017 10:25:28 AM
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At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
I use to think that only about half of Republicans had any brains or capacity for reason, with Democrats being about the same or at least not too much better. Turns out though, 7 in 8 Republicans think that Russia did not intervene in the US election to try to help Trump, meaning only 1 in 8, a whopping 12.5%, know that they did try to help Trump.

I think it's interesting that these polls are never worded to say "Do you believe the Russians hacked to HURT Hillary?"

Because I'm sure you could get 90% of the repugz to say yes to that.
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival.
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1/15/2017 10:30:11 AM
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At 1/15/2017 10:20:50 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/15/2017 10:19:31 AM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
I use to think that only about half of Republicans had any brains or capacity for reason, with Democrats being about the same or at least not too much better. Turns out though, 7 in 8 Republicans think that Russia did not intervene in the US election to try to help Trump, meaning only 1 in 8, a whopping 12.5%, know that they did try to help Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Whats interesting though is that 64% do not believe that there was any hacking in the first place, let alone any hacking done on the behalf of Trump. Of the 29% who did agree there was hacking (The remaining 5% apparently arent sure), 43% (of the 29%) thought it was to help Trump, 51% (of 29%) disagreeing.

Whether or not Russian hacking had any impact on the election outcome is a discussion in itself, and a reasonable thing to question as well..... But not even believing that Russia interfered in the election by hacking the DNC in the first place, by an almost 2-1 margin, speaks volumes about how far off the grid the GOP voter base is becoming.

This is a p4ime example of why I've lost any kind of hope in the GOP.

Do you think the RNC was hacked?

Perhaps. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion on it.
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1/15/2017 11:26:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/15/2017 10:30:11 AM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 1/15/2017 10:20:50 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/15/2017 10:19:31 AM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
I use to think that only about half of Republicans had any brains or capacity for reason, with Democrats being about the same or at least not too much better. Turns out though, 7 in 8 Republicans think that Russia did not intervene in the US election to try to help Trump, meaning only 1 in 8, a whopping 12.5%, know that they did try to help Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Whats interesting though is that 64% do not believe that there was any hacking in the first place, let alone any hacking done on the behalf of Trump. Of the 29% who did agree there was hacking (The remaining 5% apparently arent sure), 43% (of the 29%) thought it was to help Trump, 51% (of 29%) disagreeing.

Whether or not Russian hacking had any impact on the election outcome is a discussion in itself, and a reasonable thing to question as well..... But not even believing that Russia interfered in the election by hacking the DNC in the first place, by an almost 2-1 margin, speaks volumes about how far off the grid the GOP voter base is becoming.

This is a p4ime example of why I've lost any kind of hope in the GOP.

Do you think the RNC was hacked?

Perhaps. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion on it.

Guess that puts you in the 64% crowd.
The extinction of the species is worse than the extinction of the nation, which is worse than the extinction of the tribe, which is worse than the extinction of the family, which is worse than the extinction of the individual. The second he reverses that list of priorities, he becomes a coward, and would be summarily disposed of by any civilized society that values its own survival.
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1/15/2017 9:24:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/15/2017 11:26:16 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/15/2017 10:30:11 AM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 1/15/2017 10:20:50 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/15/2017 10:19:31 AM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
I use to think that only about half of Republicans had any brains or capacity for reason, with Democrats being about the same or at least not too much better. Turns out though, 7 in 8 Republicans think that Russia did not intervene in the US election to try to help Trump, meaning only 1 in 8, a whopping 12.5%, know that they did try to help Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Whats interesting though is that 64% do not believe that there was any hacking in the first place, let alone any hacking done on the behalf of Trump. Of the 29% who did agree there was hacking (The remaining 5% apparently arent sure), 43% (of the 29%) thought it was to help Trump, 51% (of 29%) disagreeing.

Whether or not Russian hacking had any impact on the election outcome is a discussion in itself, and a reasonable thing to question as well..... But not even believing that Russia interfered in the election by hacking the DNC in the first place, by an almost 2-1 margin, speaks volumes about how far off the grid the GOP voter base is becoming.

This is a p4ime example of why I've lost any kind of hope in the GOP.

Do you think the RNC was hacked?

Perhaps. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion on it.

Guess that puts you in the 64% crowd.

No, I believe there was hacking, I just don't know it it was done to the RNC as well.
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1/18/2017 2:43:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/14/2017 6:34:39 AM, imabench wrote:
I use to think that only about half of Republicans had any brains or capacity for reason, with Democrats being about the same or at least not too much better. Turns out though, 7 in 8 Republicans think that Russia did not intervene in the US election to try to help Trump, meaning only 1 in 8, a whopping 12.5%, know that they did try to help Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Whats interesting though is that 64% do not believe that there was any hacking in the first place, let alone any hacking done on the behalf of Trump. Of the 29% who did agree there was hacking (The remaining 5% apparently arent sure), 43% (of the 29%) thought it was to help Trump, 51% (of 29%) disagreeing.

Whether or not Russian hacking had any impact on the election outcome is a discussion in itself, and a reasonable thing to question as well..... But not even believing that Russia interfered in the election by hacking the DNC in the first place, by an almost 2-1 margin, speaks volumes about how far off the grid the GOP voter base is becoming.

Russia did not influence the outcome of the election. The Rust Belt was the deciding factor. Bottom line.
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1/18/2017 2:54:13 PM
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At 1/14/2017 9:09:46 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
Astonishing 1 out of 2 Americans believe in UFOs.

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many believe Hillary Clinton doesn't remember being trained on the classification of documents etc etc
Bennett91 the liar http://www.debate.org...
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1/18/2017 2:58:26 PM
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At 1/18/2017 2:54:13 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 1/14/2017 9:09:46 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
Astonishing 1 out of 2 Americans believe in UFOs.

http://m.huffpost.com...

many believe Hillary Clinton doesn't remember being trained on the classification of documents etc etc

She was told c in front of domain means 'conservative' so don't use.
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1/18/2017 3:16:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/18/2017 2:58:26 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 1/18/2017 2:54:13 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 1/14/2017 9:09:46 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
Astonishing 1 out of 2 Americans believe in UFOs.

http://m.huffpost.com...

many believe Hillary Clinton doesn't remember being trained on the classification of documents etc etc

She was told c in front of domain means 'conservative' so don't use.

https://youtu.be...
Bennett91 the liar http://www.debate.org...
Stymie13
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1/18/2017 3:27:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/18/2017 3:16:52 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 1/18/2017 2:58:26 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 1/18/2017 2:54:13 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 1/14/2017 9:09:46 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
Astonishing 1 out of 2 Americans believe in UFOs.

http://m.huffpost.com...

many believe Hillary Clinton doesn't remember being trained on the classification of documents etc etc

She was told c in front of domain means 'conservative' so don't use.

https://youtu.be...

Awesome
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1/18/2017 7:09:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/15/2017 10:25:28 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I think it's interesting that these polls are never worded to say "Do you believe the Russians hacked to HURT Hillary?"

Because I'm sure you could get 90% of the repugz to say yes to that.

What would hurting Hillary accomplish? Would that, say, help any other candidate perhaps?
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1/18/2017 8:05:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Did the Russians hack? By all accounts they certainly did. Did it affect vote counts? There's no evidence to date that points in this direction. Did they influence the election? Unless you poll every individual who voted on their decision process, if the leaks had a persuasive effect, we will never know. However, I don't see this as an us versus them issue (Dems & Reps). First, hacking is a national security issue. Second, the Russians succeeded in what they do best, propaganda and undermining the faith in our electoral process. The timing was ripe in that this election was pivotal for a dramatic change; Sanders on one side Trump on the other. We had leaks that Wasserman Shultz rigged the DNC toward Clinton, then the email scandal. No one expected Trump to win, so how would the Russians have an expectation that he would? Now the country is divided on many levels pointing fingers in different directions. The Republicans had their dream come true. Between voter ID laws, being more skilled at gerrymandering than the Dems, along with a poor Democratic candidate with an iffy background; their efforts finally paid off. They certainly are not going to kick the Russian dog that put sweet icing on their cake. Mission accomplished Russia.

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