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2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM
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Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?
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2/17/2018 11:39:22 PM
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At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

Yes.
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2/17/2018 11:52:56 PM
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At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

Keep entrenching it...
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2/17/2018 11:56:46 PM
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At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

It would be great but hard work, so many different beliefs and so many who would join to disrupt it, sorry not trying to be negative...
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2/18/2018 3:42:01 AM
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At 2/17/2018 11:56:46 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

It would be great but hard work, so many different beliefs and so many who would join to disrupt it, sorry not trying to be negative...

I don't know... if it was a Bible study, i might be on my best behavior and not derail it. I am curious to see this in action. Wylt might even be able to start asking for money and get it... hmm.
"For me, insanity is super sanity. The normal is psychotic. Normal means lack of imagination, lack of creativity." --- Jean Dubuffet
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2/18/2018 5:08:27 PM
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At 2/18/2018 3:42:01 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:56:46 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

It would be great but hard work, so many different beliefs and so many who would join to disrupt it, sorry not trying to be negative...

I don't know... if it was a Bible study, i might be on my best behavior and not derail it. I am curious to see this in action. Wylt might even be able to start asking for money and get it... hmm.

i don't think any money would change hands..
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2/18/2018 5:15:20 PM
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Yeah I'd get kicked out immediately for sure.
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2/18/2018 10:43:37 PM
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At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

Really depends on how we are going to be "studying" the Bible.
As literature?
As historical documents?
As a holy text that has been changed over time?
As a holy text that is still perfect?
Etc.

And if the Bible study is open to multiple perspectives, then how can we ensure that things remain civil?
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2/19/2018 12:18:07 AM
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At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

I would gladly lead a Bible study group (given that I have fully studied it) and correctly place excerpts in their true context, for example:
Genesis 1:1.....starting at the beginning we can get off on the right foot by discussing what a totally inaccurate, unproven, and speculative assertion it is.

Then, if we want to talk really dirty and pornographic we could move on to Genesis 19:1 and discuss in great depth.

Then, of course, we could critically discuss the endless passages relating to homophobia, sexual perversion, bigotry and gratuitous violence.

I'm sure it will greatly expand the intellectual boundaries of all concerned.
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2/19/2018 12:31:03 AM
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At 2/18/2018 10:43:37 PM, TheMorningsStar wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

Really depends on how we are going to be "studying" the Bible.
As literature?
As historical documents?
As a holy text that has been changed over time?
As a holy text that is still perfect?
Etc.

And if the Bible study is open to multiple perspectives, then how can we ensure that things remain civil?

I think we can look around to see who is civil, and exclude those who aren"t. I"d be open to anything. Why not study it"s message, historical context and all of it. We can all suggest ideals and use a RNG to focus on what to study next
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2/19/2018 12:33:27 AM
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At 2/19/2018 12:31:03 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/18/2018 10:43:37 PM, TheMorningsStar wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

Really depends on how we are going to be "studying" the Bible.
As literature?
As historical documents?
As a holy text that has been changed over time?
As a holy text that is still perfect?
Etc.

And if the Bible study is open to multiple perspectives, then how can we ensure that things remain civil?

I think we can look around to see who is civil, and exclude those who aren"t. I"d be open to anything. Why not study it"s message, historical context and all of it. We can all suggest ideals and use a RNG to focus on what to study next

I would be for that, mostly. I'm just curious if someone like me would be made welcome or not.
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2/19/2018 12:34:49 AM
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At 2/19/2018 12:18:07 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

I would gladly lead a Bible study group (given that I have fully studied it) and correctly place excerpts in their true context, for example:
Genesis 1:1.....starting at the beginning we can get off on the right foot by discussing what a totally inaccurate, unproven, and speculative assertion it is.

Then, if we want to talk really dirty and pornographic we could move on to Genesis 19:1 and discuss in great depth.

Then, of course, we could critically discuss the endless passages relating to homophobia, sexual perversion, bigotry and gratuitous violence.

I'm sure it will greatly expand the intellectual boundaries of all concerned.

I"m sure everyone would benefit from studying even the things we find repulsive in it. The leader of the group should be somebody we can all trust to not act like an ideologue regardless of their belief or lack of belief system.
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2/19/2018 12:36:04 AM
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At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

Sounds like a great idea.
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2/19/2018 12:37:34 AM
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At 2/19/2018 12:33:27 AM, TheMorningsStar wrote:
At 2/19/2018 12:31:03 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/18/2018 10:43:37 PM, TheMorningsStar wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

Really depends on how we are going to be "studying" the Bible.
As literature?
As historical documents?
As a holy text that has been changed over time?
As a holy text that is still perfect?
Etc.

And if the Bible study is open to multiple perspectives, then how can we ensure that things remain civil?

I think we can look around to see who is civil, and exclude those who aren"t. I"d be open to anything. Why not study it"s message, historical context and all of it. We can all suggest ideals and use a RNG to focus on what to study next

I would be for that, mostly. I'm just curious if someone like me would be made welcome or not.

Why not? I think even IRL skeptical people and even people mildly antagonistic towards the Bible would be welcome in most bible study groups.

Jesus spent most of his time with people considered the worst sinners, because he knew they needed his message the most. Christians should try to model themselves after Jesus
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2/19/2018 12:40:32 AM
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At 2/19/2018 12:37:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/19/2018 12:33:27 AM, TheMorningsStar wrote:
At 2/19/2018 12:31:03 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/18/2018 10:43:37 PM, TheMorningsStar wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

Really depends on how we are going to be "studying" the Bible.
As literature?
As historical documents?
As a holy text that has been changed over time?
As a holy text that is still perfect?
Etc.

And if the Bible study is open to multiple perspectives, then how can we ensure that things remain civil?

I think we can look around to see who is civil, and exclude those who aren"t. I"d be open to anything. Why not study it"s message, historical context and all of it. We can all suggest ideals and use a RNG to focus on what to study next

I would be for that, mostly. I'm just curious if someone like me would be made welcome or not.

Why not? I think even IRL skeptical people and even people mildly antagonistic towards the Bible would be welcome in most bible study groups.

Jesus spent most of his time with people considered the worst sinners, because he knew they needed his message the most. Christians should try to model themselves after Jesus

Awesome! Question, would you be leading the group?
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2/19/2018 12:47:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

Me
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2/19/2018 1:05:10 AM
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Imagine 3 Christians from different churches believing a scripture means the same thing.
Its Mind boggling.
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2/19/2018 1:28:14 AM
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At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

I'd join.
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2/19/2018 12:18:35 PM
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At 2/19/2018 12:18:07 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

I would gladly lead a Bible study group (given that I have fully studied it) and correctly place excerpts in their true context, for example:
Genesis 1:1.....starting at the beginning we can get off on the right foot by discussing what a totally inaccurate, unproven, and speculative assertion it is.

Then, if we want to talk really dirty and pornographic we could move on to Genesis 19:1 and discuss in great depth.

Then, of course, we could critically discuss the endless passages relating to homophobia, sexual perversion, bigotry and gratuitous violence.

Ok. Let's discuss what a totally inaccurate, unproven, and speculative assertion the above is.

I'm sure it will greatly expand the intellectual boundaries of all concerned.

Assuming there are any intellectuals there to begin with.
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2/19/2018 1:39:29 PM
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At 2/19/2018 12:18:35 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 2/19/2018 12:18:07 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

I would gladly lead a Bible study group (given that I have fully studied it) and correctly place excerpts in their true context, for example:
Genesis 1:1.....starting at the beginning we can get off on the right foot by discussing what a totally inaccurate, unproven, and speculative assertion it is.

Then, if we want to talk really dirty and pornographic we could move on to Genesis 19:1 and discuss in great depth.

Then, of course, we could critically discuss the endless passages relating to homophobia, sexual perversion, bigotry and gratuitous violence.

Ok. Let's discuss what a totally inaccurate, unproven, and speculative assertion the above is.

Well, first of all, in my Bible class, everyone must sit upright with legs and arms crossed and their lips tightly buttoned because each boy and girl must listen to what teacher has to say and if they fidget, teacher will get very angry and beat the crap out of them with a wooden stick.

Now. All listening?..................................
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2/19/2018 1:48:19 PM
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At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

Here are a few that could certainly benefit from a bible study group. They were identified by Dee-em.

Dee-em posted:
"I have been in the Religion forum for a number of years and have arrived at this observation that theists tend to resort to lying far more readily than atheists when they are on the losing end of an argument. In fact, I can't remember the last time I have seen an atheist deliberately lie. They make mistakes, sure. We all do, but mistakes are not lies.

Here are some examples of theists who lie:

dsjpk5: An incessant liar who foolishly bragged that he had bested me in all threads we had ever debated in but then could not identify a single thread where that had happened. Also a self-confessed troll.

rextr05: Another incorrigible liar in the same vein as dsjpk5. When provided with incontrovertible proof that the "ten leopards" in an early Christian text referred to Roman soldiers, still insisted that 10 real leopards were being carted all over the Mediterranean.

ethang5: Spent dozens of posts trying to convince everyone that when he said that there were no amputees around at the time of Jesus that he meant something else entirely. Also a troll.

MCB: Recently started a thread about a guy who lived with "wild" lions. When shown the evidence that this chap was an amateur zookeeper who had raised these lions tamely from cubs (and that he would not handle lions any other way) still insisted that his version was true.

12_13: Continually lies by stating that there is no evidence for "millions of years". He may not accept the evidence (foolishly) but he lies when he asserts that there is no evidence:

janesix: Blatantly lied just recently when she asserted that first "evolutionists" and then all scientists resort to magical ideas in doing science.

Etc.

So the question is, what is it about theists that make them far more prone to lying?"
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2/19/2018 1:50:03 PM
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At 2/19/2018 1:28:14 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

I'd join.

So you finally got tired being called scripturally ignorant and signed up for bible study. I win!
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2/19/2018 3:33:21 PM
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At 2/19/2018 1:48:19 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

Here are a few that could certainly benefit from a bible study group. They were identified by Dee-em.

Dee-em posted:
"I have been in the Religion forum for a number of years and have arrived at this observation that theists tend to resort to lying far more readily than atheists when they are on the losing end of an argument. In fact, I can't remember the last time I have seen an atheist deliberately lie. They make mistakes, sure. We all do, but mistakes are not lies.

Here are some examples of theists who lie:

dsjpk5: An incessant liar who foolishly bragged that he had bested me in all threads we had ever debated in but then could not identify a single thread where that had happened. Also a self-confessed troll.

rextr05: Another incorrigible liar in the same vein as dsjpk5. When provided with incontrovertible proof that the "ten leopards" in an early Christian text referred to Roman soldiers, still insisted that 10 real leopards were being carted all over the Mediterranean.

ethang5: Spent dozens of posts trying to convince everyone that when he said that there were no amputees around at the time of Jesus that he meant something else entirely. Also a troll.

MCB: Recently started a thread about a guy who lived with "wild" lions. When shown the evidence that this chap was an amateur zookeeper who had raised these lions tamely from cubs (and that he would not handle lions any other way) still insisted that his version was true.

12_13: Continually lies by stating that there is no evidence for "millions of years". He may not accept the evidence (foolishly) but he lies when he asserts that there is no evidence:

janesix: Blatantly lied just recently when she asserted that first "evolutionists" and then all scientists resort to magical ideas in doing science.

Etc.

So the question is, what is it about theists that make them far more prone to lying?"

I could see them being more prone to cognitive dissonance and that sort of cognitive dissonance be seen as lying. The same with militant atheists who oddly proselytize.
Having any sort o strong belief system and being an ideologue often causes people to fight for their team, so to speak. I don"t think it"s unique to Christians but to ideologues in general.

I"m not sure why this was randomly brought up in this thread though
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2/19/2018 3:38:58 PM
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At 2/19/2018 12:40:32 AM, TheMorningsStar wrote:
At 2/19/2018 12:37:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/19/2018 12:33:27 AM, TheMorningsStar wrote:
At 2/19/2018 12:31:03 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/18/2018 10:43:37 PM, TheMorningsStar wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

Really depends on how we are going to be "studying" the Bible.
As literature?
As historical documents?
As a holy text that has been changed over time?
As a holy text that is still perfect?
Etc.

And if the Bible study is open to multiple perspectives, then how can we ensure that things remain civil?

I think we can look around to see who is civil, and exclude those who aren"t. I"d be open to anything. Why not study it"s message, historical context and all of it. We can all suggest ideals and use a RNG to focus on what to study next

I would be for that, mostly. I'm just curious if someone like me would be made welcome or not.

Why not? I think even IRL skeptical people and even people mildly antagonistic towards the Bible would be welcome in most bible study groups.

Jesus spent most of his time with people considered the worst sinners, because he knew they needed his message the most. Christians should try to model themselves after Jesus

Awesome! Question, would you be leading the group?

If nobody else wants to take the initiative
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2/19/2018 4:13:38 PM
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At 2/19/2018 3:33:21 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/19/2018 1:48:19 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

Here are a few that could certainly benefit from a bible study group. They were identified by Dee-em.

Dee-em posted:
"I have been in the Religion forum for a number of years and have arrived at this observation that theists tend to resort to lying far more readily than atheists when they are on the losing end of an argument. In fact, I can't remember the last time I have seen an atheist deliberately lie. They make mistakes, sure. We all do, but mistakes are not lies.

Here are some examples of theists who lie:

dsjpk5: An incessant liar who foolishly bragged that he had bested me in all threads we had ever debated in but then could not identify a single thread where that had happened. Also a self-confessed troll.

rextr05: Another incorrigible liar in the same vein as dsjpk5. When provided with incontrovertible proof that the "ten leopards" in an early Christian text referred to Roman soldiers, still insisted that 10 real leopards were being carted all over the Mediterranean.

ethang5: Spent dozens of posts trying to convince everyone that when he said that there were no amputees around at the time of Jesus that he meant something else entirely. Also a troll.

MCB: Recently started a thread about a guy who lived with "wild" lions. When shown the evidence that this chap was an amateur zookeeper who had raised these lions tamely from cubs (and that he would not handle lions any other way) still insisted that his version was true.

12_13: Continually lies by stating that there is no evidence for "millions of years". He may not accept the evidence (foolishly) but he lies when he asserts that there is no evidence:

janesix: Blatantly lied just recently when she asserted that first "evolutionists" and then all scientists resort to magical ideas in doing science.

Etc.

So the question is, what is it about theists that make them far more prone to lying?"

I could see them being more prone to cognitive dissonance and that sort of cognitive dissonance be seen as lying. The same with militant atheists who oddly proselytize.
Having any sort o strong belief system and being an ideologue often causes people to fight for their team, so to speak. I don"t think it"s unique to Christians but to ideologues in general.

I"m not sure why this was randomly brought up in this thread though

The names were listed here with the hope you would structure your bible study to deal with the known problems Dee-em has identified with our theists members.
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2/20/2018 12:00:10 AM
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At 2/19/2018 1:50:03 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/19/2018 1:28:14 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

I'd join.

So you finally got tired being called scripturally ignorant and signed up for bible study. I win!

We weren't arguing about anything here, so you're being silly. Having said that, I'd be happy to teach you something. You should join too!
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2/20/2018 12:04:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/18/2018 5:08:27 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 2/18/2018 3:42:01 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:56:46 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 2/17/2018 11:33:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who would be interested in joining or leading a DDO bible study group? We could meet in PM at our own convenience or something. How could we work this out?

It would be great but hard work, so many different beliefs and so many who would join to disrupt it, sorry not trying to be negative...

I don't know... if it was a Bible study, i might be on my best behavior and not derail it. I am curious to see this in action. Wylt might even be able to start asking for money and get it... hmm.

i don't think any money would change hands..

Why not? Shouldn't you support someone that is helping you with your journey?
"For me, insanity is super sanity. The normal is psychotic. Normal means lack of imagination, lack of creativity." --- Jean Dubuffet

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