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4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM
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...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.
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4/23/2018 12:28:03 PM
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At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

1. None of your f@cking business.
2. I have the right to my religion and faith
3. Your support or approval about my life for me to have it, is non existent.
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4/23/2018 12:34:24 PM
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At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

So, who the f**k do you think you are?

Dictating the rules and terms of what you want you may as well be God.

But then, that could not be right....being no more than a very ordinary, hot-headed control-freak di**head.
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4/23/2018 12:40:52 PM
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At 4/23/2018 12:28:03 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

1. None of your f@cking business.
2. I have the right to my religion and faith
3. Your support or approval about my life for me to have it, is non existent.

How hostile and defensive.

1. Okay then don't post.
2. Sure who said you didn't?
3. Who mentioned anything about giving support or approval? This is meant to be a discussion.

Now I've answered your issues answer mine.

1. Why are you so defensive and hostile? Are we not on a debate website where we should be learning and exchanging ideas?
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4/23/2018 12:44:08 PM
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At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I believe because I don't know how not to. My entire way of thinking and approaching the world is built around that belief. It supports it and is supported by it. It is part of who I am. I could not choose not to believe any more than I could choose not to write with my hand and try to write with my foot. Maybe after 45 years of hard work it might make sense, but the learning curve would be really steep.

Faith cannot be taught, explained or proven. It can't even really be defended. it just is.
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4/23/2018 1:01:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

So you want points about the God of the bible without using the BIble, thank goodness for one minute I thought this would be a loaded debate.....lol
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4/23/2018 1:04:19 PM
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At 4/23/2018 12:40:52 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:28:03 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

1. None of your f@cking business.
2. I have the right to my religion and faith
3. Your support or approval about my life for me to have it, is non existent.

How hostile and defensive.

1. Okay then don't post.
2. Sure who said you didn't?
3. Who mentioned anything about giving support or approval? This is meant to be a discussion.

Now I've answered your issues answer mine.

1. Why are you so defensive and hostile? Are we not on a debate website where we should be learning and exchanging ideas?

Cause atheists are bigoted douche bags.
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4/23/2018 1:12:23 PM
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At 4/23/2018 12:34:24 PM, Willows wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

So, who the f**k do you think you are?

Dictating the rules and terms of what you want you may as well be God.

But then, that could not be right....being no more than a very ordinary, hot-headed control-freak di**head.

My attempt was to get a Christian to actually have a rational conversation that's what the rules ensure, but rationality isn't something you're capable of hence why you're upset for no real reason.
I'd therefore like to ask you to no post here, as you're using this post for something other than what it's intended. I will answer your concerns though.

1. So, who the f**k do you think you are?
I think I'm someone trying to have a rational conversation.

2.Dictating the rules and terms of what you want you may as well be God.
What rules does God dictate? I'm under the impression we have free will, no?

3. But then, that could not be right....being no more than a very ordinary, hot-headed control-freak di**head.
You're showing signs of being ahot-headed so you're being a bit hypocritical there.
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4/23/2018 1:14:59 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:01:57 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

So you want points about the God of the bible without using the BIble, thank goodness for one minute I thought this would be a loaded debate.....lol

This is the issue. I said God not God of the Bible.
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4/23/2018 1:15:25 PM
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At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

Experience along with cross referencing with sources and evidence. The evidences that are congruent with the nature of spirituality are overwhelming IMHO. Keep in mind, this will be between you and I, not trolls and I. I expect you to deal with the contents of what I bring to the table. No assumptions, please ask first look forward to your responses.
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4/23/2018 1:16:25 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:04:19 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:40:52 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:28:03 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

1. None of your f@cking business.
2. I have the right to my religion and faith
3. Your support or approval about my life for me to have it, is non existent.

How hostile and defensive.

1. Okay then don't post.
2. Sure who said you didn't?
3. Who mentioned anything about giving support or approval? This is meant to be a discussion.

Now I've answered your issues answer mine.

1. Why are you so defensive and hostile? Are we not on a debate website where we should be learning and exchanging ideas?

Cause atheists are bigoted douche bags.

It's a good thing I'm agnostic then. Also, you shouldn't stereo-type, that's a sign of idiocy.
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4/23/2018 1:17:50 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:15:25 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

Experience along with cross referencing with sources and evidence. The evidences that are congruent with the nature of spirituality are overwhelming IMHO. Keep in mind, this will be between you and I, not trolls and I. I expect you to deal with the contents of what I bring to the table. No assumptions, please ask first look forward to your responses.

Okay, what is this evidence?
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4/23/2018 1:18:35 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:14:59 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:01:57 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

So you want points about the God of the bible without using the BIble, thank goodness for one minute I thought this would be a loaded debate.....lol

This is the issue. I said God not God of the Bible.

so do you mean like Thor, Odin, Zeus...
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4/23/2018 1:19:55 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:16:25 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:04:19 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:40:52 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:28:03 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

1. None of your f@cking business.
2. I have the right to my religion and faith
3. Your support or approval about my life for me to have it, is non existent.

How hostile and defensive.

1. Okay then don't post.
2. Sure who said you didn't?
3. Who mentioned anything about giving support or approval? This is meant to be a discussion.

Now I've answered your issues answer mine.

1. Why are you so defensive and hostile? Are we not on a debate website where we should be learning and exchanging ideas?

Cause atheists are bigoted douche bags.

It's a good thing I'm agnostic then. Also, you shouldn't stereo-type, that's a sign of idiocy.

Atheist light is still atheist.
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4/23/2018 1:20:23 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:17:50 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:15:25 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

Experience along with cross referencing with sources and evidence. The evidences that are congruent with the nature of spirituality are overwhelming IMHO. Keep in mind, this will be between you and I, not trolls and I. I expect you to deal with the contents of what I bring to the table. No assumptions, please ask first look forward to your responses.

Okay, what is this evidence?

Check out my topic and we can start there, the list is in the OP.
http://www.debate.org...
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4/23/2018 1:21:33 PM
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At 4/23/2018 12:28:03 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

1. None of your f@cking business.
2. I have the right to my religion and faith
3. Your support or approval about my life for me to have it, is non existent.

So why reply at all?
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4/23/2018 1:21:55 PM
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We have 1000s of religions most believe in a singular creator, be it Islam, Christianity or Judaism. It would be wrong for you to not acknowledge the other religions around you.

I want a coherent discussion on a singular God with reasoning and logic being the main tool for allowing us to have that coherent discussion.

Let's talk about a God, not your religion.
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4/23/2018 1:23:47 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:18:35 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:14:59 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:01:57 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

So you want points about the God of the bible without using the BIble, thank goodness for one minute I thought this would be a loaded debate.....lol

This is the issue. I said God not God of the Bible.

so do you mean like Thor, Odin, Zeus...

He will say no. No one asks about them for one. Two, no one would call them god without also using their name. Since they are claiming agnostic god is some kind of concept or "energy" with no real substance.
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4/23/2018 1:24:26 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:21:33 PM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:28:03 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

1. None of your f@cking business.
2. I have the right to my religion and faith
3. Your support or approval about my life for me to have it, is non existent.

So why reply at all?

So you people remember your thoughts on my religion mean nothing.
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4/23/2018 1:26:02 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:21:55 PM, Masterful wrote:
We have 1000s of religions most believe in a singular creator, be it Islam, Christianity or Judaism. It would be wrong for you to not acknowledge the other religions around you.

Who are you addressing, I'm an Omnist...made that clear in the OP I presented.

I want a coherent discussion on a singular God with reasoning and logic being the main tool for allowing us to have that coherent discussion.

I'm your huckleberry.

Let's talk about a God, not your religion.

Please lets do.
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4/23/2018 1:27:41 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:18:35 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:14:59 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:01:57 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

So you want points about the God of the bible without using the BIble, thank goodness for one minute I thought this would be a loaded debate.....lol

This is the issue. I said God not God of the Bible.

so do you mean like Thor, Odin, Zeus...

We have 1000s of religions most believe in a singular creator, be it Islam, Christianity or Judaism. It would be wrong for you to not acknowledge the other religions around you.

I want a coherent discussion on a singular God with reasoning and logic being the main tool for allowing us to have that coherent discussion.

Let's talk about a God, not your religion.
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4/23/2018 1:31:30 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:24:26 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:21:33 PM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:28:03 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

1. None of your f@cking business.
2. I have the right to my religion and faith
3. Your support or approval about my life for me to have it, is non existent.

So why reply at all?

So you people remember your thoughts on my religion mean nothing.

Well, as long as you realize YOUR thoughts on your religion means nothing either.
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4/23/2018 1:37:48 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:17:50 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:15:25 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

Experience along with cross referencing with sources and evidence. The evidences that are congruent with the nature of spirituality are overwhelming IMHO. Keep in mind, this will be between you and I, not trolls and I. I expect you to deal with the contents of what I bring to the table. No assumptions, please ask first look forward to your responses.

Okay, what is this evidence?

Why don't we do this......why don't we start with you and any questions you have about ANYTHING spiritual or Theistic, whatever is bothering you I can give you insights.
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4/23/2018 1:54:59 PM
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At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

From what you wrote, I bet you are referring just to the images of God as seen by the various people you met or heard of so far in your life.

If, in your mind, God is simply an entity (likely a supernatural being) having a certain Law to impose on humans, it has nothing to do with the image of God I know.

So before I go on, could you even think of an image of a non-ruling Creator?

Meanwhile, I also agree with you, though I am not an atheist, that, mainly on our days, a ruling god is obviously a man-made one. After all, such a god is like the modern man-made notion of "We _The People_" from which a few persons get the authority to impose their decisions on their subjects (in millions).
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4/23/2018 2:18:26 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:54:59 PM, KerimF wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

From what you wrote, I bet you are referring just to the images of God as seen by the various people you met or heard of so far in your life.

If, in your mind, God is simply an entity (likely a supernatural being) having a certain Law to impose on humans, it has nothing to do with the image of God I know.

So before I go on, could you even think of an image of a non-ruling Creator?

Meanwhile, I also agree with you, though I am not an atheist, that, mainly on our days, a ruling god is obviously a man-made one. After all, such a god is like the modern man-made notion of "We _The People_" from which a few persons get the authority to impose their decisions on their subjects (in millions).

I just wanted to hear arguments for a God. God doesn't have to be synonymous with religion, so it would be ideal if religion wasn't involved in this discussion.
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4/23/2018 2:20:48 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:37:48 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:17:50 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:15:25 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

Experience along with cross referencing with sources and evidence. The evidences that are congruent with the nature of spirituality are overwhelming IMHO. Keep in mind, this will be between you and I, not trolls and I. I expect you to deal with the contents of what I bring to the table. No assumptions, please ask first look forward to your responses.

Okay, what is this evidence?

Why don't we do this......why don't we start with you and any questions you have about ANYTHING spiritual or Theistic, whatever is bothering you I can give you insights.

[1] What is your best reason for believing in God. Just one?
[2] What would it take for you to not believe in a God?
[3] Do you ever have any doubts about God being real?
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4/23/2018 2:21:33 PM
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At 4/23/2018 1:54:59 PM, KerimF wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

I advise against Bible quotes I don't think they help your arguments, as i'm interested in hearing logical arguments.

I will be upfront if I think you're talking nonsense and I will give a counter argument if I believe it's necessary.

From what you wrote, I bet you are referring just to the images of God as seen by the various people you met or heard of so far in your life.

If, in your mind, God is simply an entity (likely a supernatural being) having a certain Law to impose on humans, it has nothing to do with the image of God I know.

So before I go on, could you even think of an image of a non-ruling Creator?

Meanwhile, I also agree with you, though I am not an atheist, that, mainly on our days, a ruling god is obviously a man-made one. After all, such a god is like the modern man-made notion of "We _The People_" from which a few persons get the authority to impose their decisions on their subjects (in millions).

While the Creator is obviously a ruler, as in the highest possible reality it's the laws of creation that we are governed by, not God specifically. In other words the worlds were framed upon laws and principles both in nature and as moral laws, known as Karma, sowing and reaping and cause and effect. Both natural laws and moral laws work for the same purpose, without those nothing could be maintained. So when we are talking about a "God whom rules", let it be known we are talking about laws of creation. These laws cannot be escaped.
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4/23/2018 2:25:04 PM
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At 4/23/2018 2:20:48 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:37:48 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:17:50 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:15:25 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

Experience along with cross referencing with sources and evidence. The evidences that are congruent with the nature of spirituality are overwhelming IMHO. Keep in mind, this will be between you and I, not trolls and I. I expect you to deal with the contents of what I bring to the table. No assumptions, please ask first look forward to your responses.

Okay, what is this evidence?

Why don't we do this......why don't we start with you and any questions you have about ANYTHING spiritual or Theistic, whatever is bothering you I can give you insights.

[1] What is your best reason for believing in God. Just one?
I gave you two in my first response. Those were experience and cross referencing with my own encounters. The sources are mentioned in the OP I supplied for ya.

[2] What would it take for you to not believe in a God?

You would have to erase my life lol, because there really is no single reason it's a lifetime of applying and observing.
[3] Do you ever have any doubts about God being real?

No, but I have doubts about other things, like beliefs and concepts in some religious understandings. There is never a time when we are perfected in this realm, it's a cultivation and because spirituality is a cultivation you would have to undue and rewind the results to disbelieve.
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4/23/2018 2:49:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2018 2:20:48 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:37:48 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:17:50 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:15:25 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

Experience along with cross referencing with sources and evidence. The evidences that are congruent with the nature of spirituality are overwhelming IMHO. Keep in mind, this will be between you and I, not trolls and I. I expect you to deal with the contents of what I bring to the table. No assumptions, please ask first look forward to your responses.

Okay, what is this evidence?

Why don't we do this......why don't we start with you and any questions you have about ANYTHING spiritual or Theistic, whatever is bothering you I can give you insights.

[1] What is your best reason for believing in God. Just one?
[2] What would it take for you to not believe in a God?
[3] Do you ever have any doubts about God being real?

Can I ask you a personal question? is your back and kidneys in good shape? or are you having pains?
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4/23/2018 2:56:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2018 2:25:04 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 4/23/2018 2:20:48 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:37:48 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:17:50 PM, Masterful wrote:
At 4/23/2018 1:15:25 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 4/23/2018 12:06:01 PM, Masterful wrote:
...I invite a believer in God to make points for their position, why they believe. No long rants, these will be ignored, keep it concise so we may have a discussion.

Experience along with cross referencing with sources and evidence. The evidences that are congruent with the nature of spirituality are overwhelming IMHO. Keep in mind, this will be between you and I, not trolls and I. I expect you to deal with the contents of what I bring to the table. No assumptions, please ask first look forward to your responses.

Okay, what is this evidence?

Why don't we do this......why don't we start with you and any questions you have about ANYTHING spiritual or Theistic, whatever is bothering you I can give you insights.

[1] What is your best reason for believing in God. Just one?
I gave you two in my first response. Those were experience and cross referencing with my own encounters. The sources are mentioned in the OP I supplied for ya.

[2] What would it take for you to not believe in a God?

You would have to erase my life lol, because there really is no single reason it's a lifetime of applying and observing.
[3] Do you ever have any doubts about God being real?

No, but I have doubts about other things, like beliefs and concepts in some religious understandings. There is never a time when we are perfected in this realm, it's a cultivation and because spirituality is a cultivation you would have to undue and rewind the results to disbelieve.

Please allow me to reiterate so we can be specific.

[1] You've had experiences and you've read sources.

Can you make an argument from the sources you used? As I said I don't want long rants so reading long sources isn't helpful.

What experiences? Be specific in both responses please.

[2] Hypothetically if God did not exist, what would it take to prove that?
So proof of other intelligent life, undeniable proof of the big bang, perhaps proof that aliens made us? As examples.

[3] Okay.
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