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theMadJW
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6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

What do WE do when finding ourselves in a colder climate?
Grow fur? Thicker skin?
Of COURSE not! Our body can't do THAT!

But they say animals can!
First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

Non-thinking cells can't do THAT, either.

But the Religion of Science say they DO!
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6/2/2018 7:38:45 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

What do WE do when finding ourselves in a colder climate?
Grow fur? Thicker skin?
Of COURSE not! Our body can't do THAT!

But they say animals can!
First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

Non-thinking cells can't do THAT, either.

But the Religion of Science say they DO!

Your point is????

I say... A trait that helps the host survive will become dominant... Example... Dark skin in a sunny climate.
People living at high elevation have more oxygen carrying red corpuscles.
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6/2/2018 7:41:11 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

What do WE do when finding ourselves in a colder climate?
Grow fur? Thicker skin?
Of COURSE not! Our body can't do THAT!

But they say animals can!
First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

Non-thinking cells can't do THAT, either.

But the Religion of Science say they DO!

Since it's a religion, why aren't you going straight to it? Aren't you a religious person?

If it were a religion, I have would nothing to do with it.

But, the truth of the matter is that you're scientifically illiterate and very angry about it.
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6/2/2018 7:47:19 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/2/2018 7:41:11 PM, Goldtop wrote:
But, the truth of the matter is that you're scientifically illiterate and very angry about it.

I blame the system that makes people think X-Men is Darwinism.
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6/2/2018 7:56:40 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/2/2018 7:47:19 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 6/2/2018 7:41:11 PM, Goldtop wrote:
But, the truth of the matter is that you're scientifically illiterate and very angry about it.

I blame the system that makes people think X-Men is Darwinism.

Sad but true.
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6/2/2018 8:36:50 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

What do WE do when finding ourselves in a colder climate?
Grow fur? Thicker skin?
Of COURSE not! Our body can't do THAT!

But they say animals can!
First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

Non-thinking cells can't do THAT, either.

But the Religion of Science say they DO!

You do understand that natural selection does not imply concious descision on the organisms part? Also I'm not sure you realize that organisms do not adapt within their lifetime but through genetic drift from generation to generation? Last but not least you are aware that this process has been verified in a laboratory setting? We don't need faith if we have peer reviewed laboratory evidence.
The only true wisdom lies in knowing that you know nothing.
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6/3/2018 1:25:53 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/2/2018 8:36:50 PM, SecularMerlin wrote:

You do understand that natural selection does not imply concious descision on the organisms part? Also I'm not sure you realize that organisms do not adapt within their lifetime but through genetic drift from generation to generation? Last but not least you are aware that this process has been verified in a laboratory setting? We don't need faith if we have peer reviewed laboratory evidence.

I suppose its neccessary to engage in futile "debates" with impervious theists and anti-evolutionists; otherwise one wouldn't post much on DDO.

I have decided to not post much.
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6/3/2018 1:47:29 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/3/2018 1:25:53 AM, keithprosser wrote:
At 6/2/2018 8:36:50 PM, SecularMerlin wrote:

You do understand that natural selection does not imply concious descision on the organisms part? Also I'm not sure you realize that organisms do not adapt within their lifetime but through genetic drift from generation to generation? Last but not least you are aware that this process has been verified in a laboratory setting? We don't need faith if we have peer reviewed laboratory evidence.

I suppose its neccessary to engage in futile "debates" with impervious theists and anti-evolutionists; otherwise one wouldn't post much on DDO.

I have decided to not post much.

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The only true wisdom lies in knowing that you know nothing.
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6/3/2018 2:28:05 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

What do WE do when finding ourselves in a colder climate?
Grow fur? Thicker skin?
Of COURSE not! Our body can't do THAT!

But they say animals can!
First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

Non-thinking cells can't do THAT, either.

But the Religion of Science say they DO!
Ignorance be thy name.
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6/3/2018 3:10:50 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/2/2018 7:47:19 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 6/2/2018 7:41:11 PM, Goldtop wrote:
But, the truth of the matter is that you're scientifically illiterate and very angry about it.

I blame the system that makes people think X-Men is Darwinism.

Well, and hilariuosly put!

.
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6/9/2018 11:41:31 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
All the trillions of molecules in our body, all magically arranged and sequenced by the Goddess of Science; 'Natural Selection!

PRAISE the Atheist Goddess!
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6/9/2018 11:53:32 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/9/2018 11:41:31 PM, theMadJW wrote:
All the trillions of molecules in our body, all magically arranged and sequenced by the Goddess of Science; 'Natural Selection!

PRAISE the Atheist Goddess!

No Magic needed- that's your lane.
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6/10/2018 12:18:49 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/10/2018 12:06:16 AM, theMadJW wrote:
'Natural Selection' is synonym to 'Magic'.

PRAISE THE GODDESS of Atheism!

Not even a little bit.
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6/10/2018 12:25:22 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/10/2018 12:06:16 AM, theMadJW wrote:
'Natural Selection' is synonym to 'Magic'.

PRAISE THE GODDESS of Atheism!

This statement shows a serious misunderstanding of evolutionary theory. Did you want to tell me what you think the theory actually states and we can go from there?
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6/10/2018 5:50:55 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

What do WE do when finding ourselves in a colder climate?
Grow fur? Thicker skin?
Of COURSE not! Our body can't do THAT!

And yet the bodies of the Inuit did just that:
https://www.seeker.com...

It turns out that they, along with Native Americans and some Siberians, possess a unique gene variant associated with cold tolerance, according to a paper published in Molecular Biology and Evolution. This variant is a close, but not exact, match to a gene sequence found in Denisovans, which are extinct humans who once ranged from Siberia to Southeast Asia.

The comparison put a spotlight on the region of the genome containing two genes: TBX15 and WARS2. This is where the variant possessed by the cold-tolerating people lies. Racimo explained that it is thought to cause a certain type of body fat commonly known as "brown fat" to generate heat.


But they say animals can!

Humans are animals.

First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

That is only you asserting what "must" happen.

Non-thinking cells can't do THAT, either.

Because your premise that they must think is woefully wrong based on your profound ignorance of how evolution works.

But the Religion of Science say they DO!

No. Science does not say that cells have to think. Stop lying.
The religion of blind faith makes up lies to strawman evolution.
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6/10/2018 1:13:02 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

What do WE do when finding ourselves in a colder climate?
Grow fur? Thicker skin?
Of COURSE not! Our body can't do THAT!

But they say animals can!
First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

Non-thinking cells can't do THAT, either.

But the Religion of Science say they DO!

I think that the posters to your topic are being very polite with their answers.
I won't be so polite.
From the way you word your post to the off-the-planet content, you are displaying to all that you are a very disturbed, extremist, ignorant, uneducated nitwit.
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6/10/2018 11:30:31 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/10/2018 5:50:55 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

That is only you asserting what "must" happen.


I forgot- your Goddess Natural Selection directed their cells to develop such!

PRAISE THE GODDESS of Atheism!
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6/11/2018 6:55:36 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/10/2018 11:30:31 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/10/2018 5:50:55 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

That is only you asserting what "must" happen.

I forgot- your Goddess Natural Selection directed their cells to develop such!

PRAISE THE GODDESS of Atheism!

So a troll response is all you can manage.
Yeah, I thought so. Clueless.
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6/12/2018 8:49:12 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/11/2018 6:55:36 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/10/2018 11:30:31 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/10/2018 5:50:55 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

That is only you asserting what "must" happen.

I forgot- your Goddess Natural Selection directed their cells to develop such!

PRAISE THE GODDESS of Atheism!

So a troll response is all you can manage.
Yeah, I thought so. Clueless.

The Pompous 'Logic' of Atheists:
We don't have a Maker, yet the parts didn't make & organize themselves.
It's all MAGIC!
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6/12/2018 8:57:04 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/12/2018 8:49:12 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/11/2018 6:55:36 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/10/2018 11:30:31 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/10/2018 5:50:55 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

That is only you asserting what "must" happen.

I forgot- your Goddess Natural Selection directed their cells to develop such!

PRAISE THE GODDESS of Atheism!

So a troll response is all you can manage.
Yeah, I thought so. Clueless.

The Pompous 'Logic' of Atheists:
We don't have a Maker, yet the parts didn't make & organize themselves.
It's all MAGIC!


"self-organization"- the favorite atheist magic wand
Leaning
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6/12/2018 9:02:19 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Well, I would think animals are more prone to a certain type of natural selection than humans.

I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that it would make sense for arctic animals to tend to have white fur. I suppose that you could argue that this is not natural selection but rather natural migration.
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6/13/2018 5:17:07 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/12/2018 8:49:12 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/11/2018 6:55:36 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/10/2018 11:30:31 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/10/2018 5:50:55 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

That is only you asserting what "must" happen.

I forgot- your Goddess Natural Selection directed their cells to develop such!

PRAISE THE GODDESS of Atheism!

So a troll response is all you can manage.
Yeah, I thought so. Clueless.

The Pompous 'Logic' of Atheists:
We don't have a Maker, yet the parts didn't make & organize themselves.

That's the wonderful thing about evolution. It doesn't involve or require any kind of guiding hand. It's a process and it has no goals.

It's all MAGIC!

You're confused. Evolution is science (evidence based). It is your beliefs which are magic. Stop projecting.
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6/13/2018 5:46:45 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/10/2018 5:50:55 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

What do WE do when finding ourselves in a colder climate?
Grow fur? Thicker skin?
Of COURSE not! Our body can't do THAT!

And yet the bodies of the Inuit did just that:
https://www.seeker.com...

It turns out that they, along with Native Americans and some Siberians, possess a unique gene variant associated with cold tolerance, according to a paper published in Molecular Biology and Evolution. This variant is a close, but not exact, match to a gene sequence found in Denisovans, which are extinct humans who once ranged from Siberia to Southeast Asia.

The comparison put a spotlight on the region of the genome containing two genes: TBX15 and WARS2. This is where the variant possessed by the cold-tolerating people lies. Racimo explained that it is thought to cause a certain type of body fat commonly known as "brown fat" to generate heat.


Stumped, eh? LOL.

Non-thinking cells can't do THAT, either.

Because your premise that they must think is woefully wrong based on your profound ignorance of how evolution works.

Stumped again, eh?

Yet another theist runs away. LMAO.
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6/13/2018 6:05:41 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/12/2018 8:57:04 PM, janesix wrote:

"self-organization"- the favorite atheist magic wand

Only a mindless idiot would keep repeating this when there are countless examples of self-organization in nature:

http://www.scholarpedia.org...
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6/14/2018 7:08:32 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/12/2018 8:57:04 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/12/2018 8:49:12 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/11/2018 6:55:36 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/10/2018 11:30:31 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/10/2018 5:50:55 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

That is only you asserting what "must" happen.

I forgot- your Goddess Natural Selection directed their cells to develop such!

PRAISE THE GODDESS of Atheism!

So a troll response is all you can manage.
Yeah, I thought so. Clueless.

The Pompous 'Logic' of Atheists:
We don't have a Maker, yet the parts didn't make & organize themselves.
It's all MAGIC!


"self-organization"- the favorite atheist magic wand

I guess YOUR claim is they AREN'T organized; that trillions of molecules just 'happened' to link up - by accident / Natural Selection....
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6/14/2018 7:09:57 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/14/2018 7:08:32 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/12/2018 8:57:04 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/12/2018 8:49:12 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/11/2018 6:55:36 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/10/2018 11:30:31 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/10/2018 5:50:55 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

That is only you asserting what "must" happen.

I forgot- your Goddess Natural Selection directed their cells to develop such!

PRAISE THE GODDESS of Atheism!

So a troll response is all you can manage.
Yeah, I thought so. Clueless.

The Pompous 'Logic' of Atheists:
We don't have a Maker, yet the parts didn't make & organize themselves.
It's all MAGIC!


"self-organization"- the favorite atheist magic wand

I guess YOUR claim is they AREN'T organized; that trillions of molecules just 'happened' to link up - by accident / Natural Selection....
Certainly not
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6/14/2018 7:13:30 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/14/2018 7:09:57 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2018 7:08:32 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/12/2018 8:57:04 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/12/2018 8:49:12 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/11/2018 6:55:36 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/10/2018 11:30:31 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/10/2018 5:50:55 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

That is only you asserting what "must" happen.

I forgot- your Goddess Natural Selection directed their cells to develop such!

PRAISE THE GODDESS of Atheism!

So a troll response is all you can manage.
Yeah, I thought so. Clueless.

The Pompous 'Logic' of Atheists:
We don't have a Maker, yet the parts didn't make & organize themselves.
It's all MAGIC!


"self-organization"- the favorite atheist magic wand

I guess YOUR claim is they AREN'T organized; that trillions of molecules just 'happened' to link up - by accident / Natural Selection....
Certainly not

Oh! I forgot your Goddess Natural 'Selection'; she arranged them all!
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6/14/2018 7:18:21 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/14/2018 7:13:30 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/14/2018 7:09:57 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2018 7:08:32 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/12/2018 8:57:04 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/12/2018 8:49:12 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/11/2018 6:55:36 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/10/2018 11:30:31 PM, theMadJW wrote:
At 6/10/2018 5:50:55 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

That is only you asserting what "must" happen.

I forgot- your Goddess Natural Selection directed their cells to develop such!

PRAISE THE GODDESS of Atheism!

So a troll response is all you can manage.
Yeah, I thought so. Clueless.

The Pompous 'Logic' of Atheists:
We don't have a Maker, yet the parts didn't make & organize themselves.
It's all MAGIC!


"self-organization"- the favorite atheist magic wand

I guess YOUR claim is they AREN'T organized; that trillions of molecules just 'happened' to link up - by accident / Natural Selection....
Certainly not

Oh! I forgot your Goddess Natural 'Selection'; she arranged them all!
You are mistaken.I am not an atheist, I don't believe in darwinism. Not sure why you thought that.
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6/14/2018 8:15:56 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 6/2/2018 6:29:08 PM, theMadJW wrote:
Natural Selection: the process by which forms of life having traits that better enable them to adapt to specific environmental pressures.

What do WE do when finding ourselves in a colder climate?
Grow fur? Thicker skin?
Of COURSE not! Our body can't do THAT!

But they say animals can!
First the "pressure" has to be seen and understood.
Then changes have to be thought of and carefully developed to suit the body.

Non-thinking cells can't do THAT, either.

But the Religion of Science say they DO!

Let's say for example humans did find themselves in an increasingly colder climate, and for some reason didn't have good clothing or technology to help them survive.

Well, humans with more hair might survive due to it keeping them warm. And Humans without more hair would die to the cold. Over a few thousand years of slowly getting colder. All humans might be incredibly hairy. We wouldn't look much like our current mostly hairless selves today.

Now imagine instead of a few thousand years, you give people 100 million years of natural selection. Over a time that large, the changes could be incredibly drastic.