Keep testing whether YOU are in the faith

At 9/6/2013 1:05:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
2 Corinthians 13:5,6 Keep testing whether YOU are in the faith, keep proving what YOU yourselves are. Or do YOU not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with YOU? Unless YOU are disapproved. 6 I truly hope YOU will come to know we are not disapproved.

It is a shame more people don;t take notice of that wise advice from Paul.

To many just look for scriptures which back up what they wish to believe and stop there, but is that what the scripture is really asking us to do?

Well consider the words. "Keep testing" and "prove what you yourself are".

When a baker proves the dough for the bread he is baking, which is the origin of that word, he is testing it to see it it rises or not. He doesn't just want to see if he has put the right ingredients in, but also it the yeast is live, the sugar is feeding it correctly and the salt not killing it off too soon.

Only when the dough has been proved is it ready for the oven.

Likewise we should "test" our beliefs, to destruction if necessary, and only if we cannot prove them wrong do we know we are on the right track. Any little doubt has to be ferreted out and got rid of, even the smallest one.

Do you test your faith that way, or do you just complacently take whatever understanding you have been given and go with that?

Christ would not approve if that is how you approach things.

At 9/6/2013 5:57:53 PM, seeu46 wrote:
Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

At 9/6/2013 6:00:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 5:57:53 PM, seeu46 wrote:
Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

That is the basis of it, but don't forget John 17:3. You need to get to know them both, as Jesus said.

Who you love, you obey.

At 9/6/2013 6:01:48 PM, seeu46 wrote:

At 9/6/2013 6:00:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 5:57:53 PM, seeu46 wrote:
Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

That is the basis of it, but don't forget John 17:3. You need to get to know them both, as Jesus said.

Who you love, you obey.

Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

At 9/6/2013 6:00:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 5:57:53 PM, seeu46 wrote:
Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

That is the basis of it, but don't forget John 17:3. You need to get to know them both, as Jesus said.

Who you love, you obey.

At 9/7/2013 5:04:39 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 6:01:48 PM, seeu46 wrote:

At 9/6/2013 6:00:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 5:57:53 PM, seeu46 wrote:
Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

That is the basis of it, but don't forget John 17:3. You need to get to know them both, as Jesus said.

Who you love, you obey.

Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

Is there an echo in here?

At 9/7/2013 10:51:06 AM, seeu46 wrote:

At 9/7/2013 5:04:39 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 6:01:48 PM, seeu46 wrote:

At 9/6/2013 6:00:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 5:57:53 PM, seeu46 wrote:
Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

That is the basis of it, but don't forget John 17:3. You need to get to know them both, as Jesus said.

Who you love, you obey.

Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

Is there an echo in here?

The echo.

Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

At 9/7/2013 10:51:06 AM, seeu46 wrote:

At 9/7/2013 5:04:39 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 6:01:48 PM, seeu46 wrote:

At 9/6/2013 6:00:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 5:57:53 PM, seeu46 wrote:
Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

That is the basis of it, but don't forget John 17:3. You need to get to know them both, as Jesus said.

Who you love, you obey.

Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

Is there an echo in here?

The echo.

Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

At 9/7/2013 10:55:44 AM, bornofgod wrote:

At 9/7/2013 10:51:06 AM, seeu46 wrote:

At 9/7/2013 5:04:39 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 6:01:48 PM, seeu46 wrote:

At 9/6/2013 6:00:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 5:57:53 PM, seeu46 wrote:
Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

That is the basis of it, but don't forget John 17:3. You need to get to know them both, as Jesus said.

Who you love, you obey.

Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

Is there an echo in here?

The echo.

Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

Sinners ( ALL Christians ) can't obey the commandments of our Creator. Since you're only a sinner who can't obey God's Voice, your words are vain.

At 9/7/2013 10:59:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/7/2013 10:51:06 AM, seeu46 wrote:

At 9/7/2013 5:04:39 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 6:01:48 PM, seeu46 wrote:

At 9/6/2013 6:00:21 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 5:57:53 PM, seeu46 wrote:
Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

That is the basis of it, but don't forget John 17:3. You need to get to know them both, as Jesus said.

Who you love, you obey.

Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

Is there an echo in here?

The echo.

Love God and love his Son Jesus Christ and let the holy spirit come to you. Love everyone like yourself.

Lol I thought there was.

At 9/6/2013 1:05:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/6/2013 1:05:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
2 Corinthians 13:5,6 Keep testing whether YOU are in the faith, keep proving what YOU yourselves are. Or do YOU not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with YOU? Unless YOU are disapproved. 6 I truly hope YOU will come to know we are not disapproved.

It is a shame more people don;t take notice of that wise advice from Paul.

To many just look for scriptures which back up what they wish to believe and stop there, but is that what the scripture is really asking us to do?

Well consider the words. "Keep testing" and "prove what you yourself are".

When a baker proves the dough for the bread he is baking, which is the origin of that word, he is testing it to see it it rises or not. He doesn't just want to see if he has put the right ingredients in, but also it the yeast is live, the sugar is feeding it correctly and the salt not killing it off too soon.

Only when the dough has been proved is it ready for the oven.

Likewise we should "test" our beliefs, to destruction if necessary, and only if we cannot prove them wrong do we know we are on the right track. Any little doubt has to be ferreted out and got rid of, even the smallest one.

Do you test your faith that way, or do you just complacently take whatever understanding you have been given and go with that?

Christ would not approve if that is how you approach things.

At 9/7/2013 12:31:57 PM, popculturepooka wrote:

At 9/6/2013 1:05:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

Any little doubt has to be ferreted out and got rid of, even the smallest one.

Why? For one, that's impossible....

At 9/7/2013 1:21:16 PM, Sitara wrote:

At 9/6/2013 1:05:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
2 Corinthians 13:5,6 Keep testing whether YOU are in the faith, keep proving what YOU yourselves are. Or do YOU not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with YOU? Unless YOU are disapproved. 6 I truly hope YOU will come to know we are not disapproved.

It is a shame more people don;t take notice of that wise advice from Paul.

To many just look for scriptures which back up what they wish to believe and stop there, but is that what the scripture is really asking us to do?

Well consider the words. "Keep testing" and "prove what you yourself are".

When a baker proves the dough for the bread he is baking, which is the origin of that word, he is testing it to see it it rises or not. He doesn't just want to see if he has put the right ingredients in, but also it the yeast is live, the sugar is feeding it correctly and the salt not killing it off too soon.

Only when the dough has been proved is it ready for the oven.

Likewise we should "test" our beliefs, to destruction if necessary, and only if we cannot prove them wrong do we know we are on the right track. Any little doubt has to be ferreted out and got rid of, even the smallest one.

Do you test your faith that way, or do you just complacently take whatever understanding you have been given and go with that?

Christ would not approve if that is how you approach things.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

At 9/7/2013 1:45:53 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/7/2013 1:21:16 PM, Sitara wrote:

At 9/6/2013 1:05:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
2 Corinthians 13:5,6 Keep testing whether YOU are in the faith, keep proving what YOU yourselves are. Or do YOU not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with YOU? Unless YOU are disapproved. 6 I truly hope YOU will come to know we are not disapproved.

It is a shame more people don;t take notice of that wise advice from Paul.

To many just look for scriptures which back up what they wish to believe and stop there, but is that what the scripture is really asking us to do?

Well consider the words. "Keep testing" and "prove what you yourself are".

When a baker proves the dough for the bread he is baking, which is the origin of that word, he is testing it to see it it rises or not. He doesn't just want to see if he has put the right ingredients in, but also it the yeast is live, the sugar is feeding it correctly and the salt not killing it off too soon.

Only when the dough has been proved is it ready for the oven.

Likewise we should "test" our beliefs, to destruction if necessary, and only if we cannot prove them wrong do we know we are on the right track. Any little doubt has to be ferreted out and got rid of, even the smallest one.

Do you test your faith that way, or do you just complacently take whatever understanding you have been given and go with that?

Christ would not approve if that is how you approach things.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Whilst I suspect you are misapplying it, in essence you are right.

Faith, in truth is a gift from God, through our reliance on holy spirit, not on ourselves.

However, as always with God we have to take the first step, and do so for the right reasons. Just wanting to know the truth is not enough, you have to be wanting to know it so you can help others e with it.

As James points out in his first chapter, God will give you all the help you need, provided you do so in the faith that he will. It helps to remember that God does these things not for our own benefit, as individuals, but for the benefit of his plan, his purposes and therefore the whole of mankind.

As Jesus points out, with a little faith, only a little faith we could move mountains if it were in his Father's purposes for us to do so.

After all, in response to Joshua's prayer for more time to defend the Gibeonites, God made the sun "appear to stand still for a whole day".

At 9/7/2013 1:36:57 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/7/2013 12:31:57 PM, popculturepooka wrote:

At 9/6/2013 1:05:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

Any little doubt has to be ferreted out and got rid of, even the smallest one.

Why? For one, that's impossible....

For man, maybe, but with God all things are possible.

I don't have any doubts, though admittedly it has taken quite some time to get there, however slowly but surely I have found that study resolves them all. Of course the aid of holy spirit is an essential aid.

Of course it is also true that one of the fruits of holy spirit is faith. The more you rely on holy spirit the more faith it gives you.

You just have to learn to accept that you can't do it alone.

At 9/7/2013 1:56:54 PM, annanicole wrote:
"Of course it is also true that one of the fruits of holy spirit is faith. The more you rely on holy spirit the more faith it gives you."

No, it's not - not at all. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

At 9/7/2013 1:55:08 PM, popculturepooka wrote:

At 9/7/2013 1:36:57 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/7/2013 12:31:57 PM, popculturepooka wrote:

At 9/6/2013 1:05:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

Any little doubt has to be ferreted out and got rid of, even the smallest one.

Why? For one, that's impossible....

For man, maybe, but with God all things are possible.

I don't have any doubts, though admittedly it has taken quite some time to get there, however slowly but surely I have found that study resolves them all. Of course the aid of holy spirit is an essential aid.

Of course it is also true that one of the fruits of holy spirit is faith. The more you rely on holy spirit the more faith it gives you.

You just have to learn to accept that you can't do it alone.

If even Jesus couldn't remove all his doubts the prospects don't look too good for you.

At 9/7/2013 1:52:04 PM, Sitara wrote:

At 9/7/2013 1:45:53 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/7/2013 1:21:16 PM, Sitara wrote:

At 9/6/2013 1:05:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
2 Corinthians 13:5,6 Keep testing whether YOU are in the faith, keep proving what YOU yourselves are. Or do YOU not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with YOU? Unless YOU are disapproved. 6 I truly hope YOU will come to know we are not disapproved.

It is a shame more people don;t take notice of that wise advice from Paul.

To many just look for scriptures which back up what they wish to believe and stop there, but is that what the scripture is really asking us to do?

Well consider the words. "Keep testing" and "prove what you yourself are".

When a baker proves the dough for the bread he is baking, which is the origin of that word, he is testing it to see it it rises or not. He doesn't just want to see if he has put the right ingredients in, but also it the yeast is live, the sugar is feeding it correctly and the salt not killing it off too soon.

Only when the dough has been proved is it ready for the oven.

Likewise we should "test" our beliefs, to destruction if necessary, and only if we cannot prove them wrong do we know we are on the right track. Any little doubt has to be ferreted out and got rid of, even the smallest one.

Do you test your faith that way, or do you just complacently take whatever understanding you have been given and go with that?

Christ would not approve if that is how you approach things.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Whilst I suspect you are misapplying it, in essence you are right.

Faith, in truth is a gift from God, through our reliance on holy spirit, not on ourselves.

However, as always with God we have to take the first step, and do so for the right reasons. Just wanting to know the truth is not enough, you have to be wanting to know it so you can help others e with it.

As James points out in his first chapter, God will give you all the help you need, provided you do so in the faith that he will. It helps to remember that God does these things not for our own benefit, as individuals, but for the benefit of his plan, his purposes and therefore the whole of mankind.

As Jesus points out, with a little faith, only a little faith we could move mountains if it were in his Father's purposes for us to do so.

After all, in response to Joshua's prayer for more time to defend the Gibeonites, God made the sun "appear to stand still for a whole day".

"However, as always with God we have to take the first step, and do so for the right reasons. Just wanting to know the truth is not enough, you have to be wanting to know it so you can help others e with it." Agreed. How do you believe that salvation is obtained: by grace through faith, by grace through faith plus works, or works only?

At 9/7/2013 2:52:05 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/7/2013 1:52:04 PM, Sitara wrote:

At 9/7/2013 1:45:53 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/7/2013 1:21:16 PM, Sitara wrote:

At 9/6/2013 1:05:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
2 Corinthians 13:5,6 Keep testing whether YOU are in the faith, keep proving what YOU yourselves are. Or do YOU not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with YOU? Unless YOU are disapproved. 6 I truly hope YOU will come to know we are not disapproved.

It is a shame more people don;t take notice of that wise advice from Paul.

To many just look for scriptures which back up what they wish to believe and stop there, but is that what the scripture is really asking us to do?

Well consider the words. "Keep testing" and "prove what you yourself are".

When a baker proves the dough for the bread he is baking, which is the origin of that word, he is testing it to see it it rises or not. He doesn't just want to see if he has put the right ingredients in, but also it the yeast is live, the sugar is feeding it correctly and the salt not killing it off too soon.

Only when the dough has been proved is it ready for the oven.

Likewise we should "test" our beliefs, to destruction if necessary, and only if we cannot prove them wrong do we know we are on the right track. Any little doubt has to be ferreted out and got rid of, even the smallest one.

Do you test your faith that way, or do you just complacently take whatever understanding you have been given and go with that?

Christ would not approve if that is how you approach things.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Whilst I suspect you are misapplying it, in essence you are right.

Faith, in truth is a gift from God, through our reliance on holy spirit, not on ourselves.

However, as always with God we have to take the first step, and do so for the right reasons. Just wanting to know the truth is not enough, you have to be wanting to know it so you can help others e with it.

As James points out in his first chapter, God will give you all the help you need, provided you do so in the faith that he will. It helps to remember that God does these things not for our own benefit, as individuals, but for the benefit of his plan, his purposes and therefore the whole of mankind.

As Jesus points out, with a little faith, only a little faith we could move mountains if it were in his Father's purposes for us to do so.

After all, in response to Joshua's prayer for more time to defend the Gibeonites, God made the sun "appear to stand still for a whole day".

"However, as always with God we have to take the first step, and do so for the right reasons. Just wanting to know the truth is not enough, you have to be wanting to know it so you can help others e with it." Agreed. How do you believe that salvation is obtained: by grace through faith, by grace through faith plus works, or works only?

Paul said that works are useless for salvation.

James said that faith without works is dead.

Is that a contradiction?

Well first ask yourself what "works" these two apostles were referring to. Were they the same thing?

The context of what Paul says in in a discussion of Law observance.

I would recommend reading the whole of James' letter to get the full context of that, but you will soon realise that James is not talking about works of Law, but rather about works which demonstrate your faith, works which show you are determined to take in Christs' words "you must love your neighbour as yourself" which he put second only to love of God.

Those works, done out of love of God and love of neighbour are what show your suitability to be a part of God's kingdom.

So, if you do the right works, out of faith and love, then your faith will save you, because you don't only have faith but you show it to God and to others.

I often think the word sometimes translated "Grace" is another classic mistranslation which whilst not exactly wrong gives the wrong impression. What it actually refers to is God's love, his mercy and his justice therefore I rather like the expression "loving kindness", however what ever word you use, as long as you don;t loose sight of what it represents I guess it doesn't matter.

At 9/7/2013 2:42:01 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

Jesus had no doubts. I guess you are referring to his exclamation just before dying "Father, Father why have you forsaken me".

That was no doubt. That was fulfilment of prophecy.

Psalm 22:1
22 My God, my God, why have you left me?
[Why are you] far from saving me,
[From] the words of my roaring?

Isaiah 53:10
10 But Jehovah himself took delight in crushing him; he made him sick. If you will set his soul as a guilt offering, he will see his offspring, he will prolong [his] days, and in his hand what is the delight of Jehovah will succeed.

At 9/7/2013 1:56:54 PM, annanicole wrote:
"Of course it is also true that one of the fruits of holy spirit is faith. The more you rely on holy spirit the more faith it gives you."

No, it's not - not at all. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

At 9/7/2013 3:01:28 PM, Sitara wrote:

At 9/7/2013 2:52:05 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/7/2013 1:52:04 PM, Sitara wrote:

At 9/7/2013 1:45:53 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/7/2013 1:21:16 PM, Sitara wrote:

At 9/6/2013 1:05:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
2 Corinthians 13:5,6 Keep testing whether YOU are in the faith, keep proving what YOU yourselves are. Or do YOU not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with YOU? Unless YOU are disapproved. 6 I truly hope YOU will come to know we are not disapproved.

It is a shame more people don;t take notice of that wise advice from Paul.

To many just look for scriptures which back up what they wish to believe and stop there, but is that what the scripture is really asking us to do?

Well consider the words. "Keep testing" and "prove what you yourself are".

When a baker proves the dough for the bread he is baking, which is the origin of that word, he is testing it to see it it rises or not. He doesn't just want to see if he has put the right ingredients in, but also it the yeast is live, the sugar is feeding it correctly and the salt not killing it off too soon.

Only when the dough has been proved is it ready for the oven.

Likewise we should "test" our beliefs, to destruction if necessary, and only if we cannot prove them wrong do we know we are on the right track. Any little doubt has to be ferreted out and got rid of, even the smallest one.

Do you test your faith that way, or do you just complacently take whatever understanding you have been given and go with that?

Christ would not approve if that is how you approach things.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Whilst I suspect you are misapplying it, in essence you are right.

Faith, in truth is a gift from God, through our reliance on holy spirit, not on ourselves.

However, as always with God we have to take the first step, and do so for the right reasons. Just wanting to know the truth is not enough, you have to be wanting to know it so you can help others e with it.

As James points out in his first chapter, God will give you all the help you need, provided you do so in the faith that he will. It helps to remember that God does these things not for our own benefit, as individuals, but for the benefit of his plan, his purposes and therefore the whole of mankind.

As Jesus points out, with a little faith, only a little faith we could move mountains if it were in his Father's purposes for us to do so.

After all, in response to Joshua's prayer for more time to defend the Gibeonites, God made the sun "appear to stand still for a whole day".

"However, as always with God we have to take the first step, and do so for the right reasons. Just wanting to know the truth is not enough, you have to be wanting to know it so you can help others e with it." Agreed. How do you believe that salvation is obtained: by grace through faith, by grace through faith plus works, or works only?

Paul said that works are useless for salvation.

James said that faith without works is dead.

Is that a contradiction?

Well first ask yourself what "works" these two apostles were referring to. Were they the same thing?

The context of what Paul says in in a discussion of Law observance.

I would recommend reading the whole of James' letter to get the full context of that, but you will soon realise that James is not talking about works of Law, but rather about works which demonstrate your faith, works which show you are determined to take in Christs' words "you must love your neighbour as yourself" which he put second only to love of God.

Those works, done out of love of God and love of neighbour are what show your suitability to be a part of God's kingdom.

So, if you do the right works, out of faith and love, then your faith will save you, because you don't only have faith but you show it to God and to others.

I often think the word sometimes translated "Grace" is another classic mistranslation which whilst not exactly wrong gives the wrong impression. What it actually refers to is God's love, his mercy and his justice therefore I rather like the expression "loving kindness", however what ever word you use, as long as you don;t loose sight of what it represents I guess it doesn't matter.

I feel that good works are the result of, not the cause of, salvation.

At 9/7/2013 3:05:16 PM, popculturepooka wrote:

At 9/7/2013 2:42:01 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

Jesus had no doubts. I guess you are referring to his exclamation just before dying "Father, Father why have you forsaken me".

That was no doubt. That was fulfilment of prophecy.

Psalm 22:1
22 My God, my God, why have you left me?
[Why are you] far from saving me,
[From] the words of my roaring?

Isaiah 53:10
10 But Jehovah himself took delight in crushing him; he made him sick. If you will set his soul as a guilt offering, he will see his offspring, he will prolong [his] days, and in his hand what is the delight of Jehovah will succeed.

That makes no sense. Just because it was in the fulfillment of prophecy, it doesn't follow that it wasn't a doubt. The doubt very well could've the process through which the prophecy was fulfilled.

At 9/7/2013 3:58:13 PM, seeu46 wrote:

At 9/7/2013 1:56:54 PM, annanicole wrote:
"Of course it is also true that one of the fruits of holy spirit is faith. The more you rely on holy spirit the more faith it gives you."

No, it's not - not at all. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Faith is a choice isn't it? For their are those that hear and do not have faith in God and their are those that hear and have faith in God.

At 9/7/2013 5:06:05 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

At 9/7/2013 3:58:13 PM, seeu46 wrote:

At 9/7/2013 1:56:54 PM, annanicole wrote:
"Of course it is also true that one of the fruits of holy spirit is faith. The more you rely on holy spirit the more faith it gives you."

No, it's not - not at all. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Faith is a choice isn't it? For their are those that hear and do not have faith in God and their are those that hear and have faith in God.

Doing what brings faith is where the choice lies.

However faith once gained has to be maintained, and again that is where the help provided by God and Christ through the power of holy spirit comes in, despite what some say who don't believe that Christ will keep his promises to be with us until the end of days, and the promises of both Christ and God to supply holy spirit to us at need.

No wonder James said:

James 1:5-8 So, if any one of YOU is lacking in wisdom, let him keep on asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching; and it will be given him. 6 But let him keep on asking in faith, not doubting at all, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven by the wind and blown about. 7 In fact, let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from Jehovah; 8 he is an indecisive man, unsteady in all his ways.

I "meet" such ones on here daily.