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janesix
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7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM
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According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.
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7/31/2018 1:45:38 PM
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At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.

In my personal opinion based on the reading of religions text of both the religions I have been in, first breath of air.
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7/31/2018 1:56:13 PM
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At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.

Life starts the minute I get home and flip the top off a Corona.
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7/31/2018 1:59:03 PM
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At 7/31/2018 1:56:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.

Life starts the minute I get home and flip the top off a Corona.

You gonna stink up every post with your sh!t now.
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7/31/2018 2:10:17 PM
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When does life start and when does life become independent are not the same answers. So which question are you really asking? Understanding this first might be more important as some things are just too dependent, to be independent, while yet others simply wish independence to remove self-value.
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7/31/2018 2:25:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2018 2:10:17 PM, John_C_1812 wrote:
When does life start and when does life become independent are not the same answers. So which question are you really asking?

When does life start? That's the question I asked.

Understanding this first might be more important as some things are just too dependent, to be independent, while yet others simply wish independence to remove self-value.
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7/31/2018 2:50:11 PM
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It's conception, and only makes sense as so. Whatever reasons are brought up to justify why a fetus is not alive also inherently affect another group of individuals who are considered alive.

For example, dependency to live arguments inherently justify infanticide.

Even if we take it religiously, "life" is when the soul first assumes its place within the physical body. This can only rationally be held as the point of conception because it is at the point of conception that a vessel for the soul to use is available.

Which usually brings up the issue of conscious awareness, but then that just necessarily justifies the comatose as alive and makes it a-ok to kill them. Which still requires either permission be given in the will or the individual who was given power of attorney, or choice in lieu of ability to make that call, decides.
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7/31/2018 2:53:28 PM
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Even as brief and reductive of an answer that really is and thus doesn't effectively communicate nuance
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7/31/2018 3:17:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.

Life is an ongoing process it started long ago.
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7/31/2018 3:24:55 PM
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At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.

Life started three and a half billion years ago, at least. And has continued in an unbroken chain ever since. Sperm and egg are no less alive than parent or fetus.
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7/31/2018 3:29:07 PM
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At 7/31/2018 3:17:36 PM, SecularMerlin wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.

Life is an ongoing process it started long ago.

If you don't want to answer the question then don't. This let me look enlightened bs is not.
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7/31/2018 3:29:40 PM
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At 7/31/2018 3:24:55 PM, WoeJ wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.

Life started three and a half billion years ago, at least. And has continued in an unbroken chain ever since. Sperm and egg are no less alive than parent or fetus.

So you are anti choice.
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7/31/2018 3:34:27 PM
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At 7/31/2018 3:29:40 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 7/31/2018 3:24:55 PM, WoeJ wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.

Life started three and a half billion years ago, at least. And has continued in an unbroken chain ever since. Sperm and egg are no less alive than parent or fetus.

So you are anti choice.

If you will look further up the page you will see that janesix specifies to another poster clarifying that she is asking when life starts as aposed to when a life becomes independent.

In that case life is an ongoing process. Sperm and egg are both technically alive before they combine.
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7/31/2018 3:35:40 PM
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At 7/31/2018 3:34:27 PM, SecularMerlin wrote:
At 7/31/2018 3:29:40 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 7/31/2018 3:24:55 PM, WoeJ wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.

Life started three and a half billion years ago, at least. And has continued in an unbroken chain ever since. Sperm and egg are no less alive than parent or fetus.

So you are anti choice.

If you will look further up the page you will see that janesix specifies to another poster clarifying that she is asking when life starts as aposed to when a life becomes independent.

In that case life is an ongoing process. Sperm and egg are both technically alive before they combine.

Bull sh!t. She specifically talks about soul placement. Be a jerk off somewhere else.
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7/31/2018 3:42:38 PM
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At 7/31/2018 3:35:40 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 7/31/2018 3:34:27 PM, SecularMerlin wrote:
At 7/31/2018 3:29:40 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 7/31/2018 3:24:55 PM, WoeJ wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.

Life started three and a half billion years ago, at least. And has continued in an unbroken chain ever since. Sperm and egg are no less alive than parent or fetus.

So you are anti choice.

If you will look further up the page you will see that janesix specifies to another poster clarifying that she is asking when life starts as aposed to when a life becomes independent.

In that case life is an ongoing process. Sperm and egg are both technically alive before they combine.

Bull sh!t. She specifically talks about soul placement. Be a jerk off somewhere else.

So she does. Ok if the actual questiin is when is a soul acquired by an individual then I don't have an answer because I'm not sure what a soul is or how you detect one or test for its absence.
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7/31/2018 3:55:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2018 2:25:26 PM, janesix wrote:
At 7/31/2018 2:10:17 PM, John_C_1812 wrote:
When does life start and when does life become independent are not the same answers. So which question are you really asking?

When does life start? That's the question I asked.

Understanding this first might be more important as some things are just too dependent, to be independent, while yet others simply wish independence to remove self-value.

Okay.

By Medical standard life continues and does not start just simply becomes independent. It can also be said that life starts in two places for people, living embryo, and living sperm as both must be alive of no conception will ever take place. If either of these two materials are not living before their union life will not continue and death becomes the united state.

This is a united state as it is fact for science and people alike equally and is not opinion. Nor does it depended on a double standard of interpretation between opposing views of a witness. Do you agree?
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7/31/2018 4:02:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.

Are Viruses Alive?
https://www.scientificamerican.com...

There are various definitions for life. The more comprehensive include the following

Irritability (defined as ability to respond to external stimuli)
Reproduction - the ability to reproduce the organism itself
Growth - ability to grow
energy storage and consumption

What Are Bacteria?
https://www.livescience.com...
"Based on the relative complexity of their cells, all living organisms are broadly classified as either prokaryotes or eukaryotes. "

<shrug>
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7/31/2018 4:21:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.
That's somewhat correct, because if the soul never enters the body it will be stillborn, just a bag of flesh with no animation. The soul enters the body when the brain and glands have been developed through the top part of the head through the gateway of the pineal gland where it become locked into the nervous system and material body like a cage until death. So even though you can view any stages of development as "life" technically the soul is what animates the physical body and without that transaction no baby.
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7/31/2018 6:16:02 PM
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At 7/31/2018 4:21:09 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.
That's somewhat correct, because if the soul never enters the body it will be stillborn, just a bag of flesh with no animation.

That is a ridiculous assertion. What makes you think it is a "soul" that gives animation?
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7/31/2018 6:28:49 PM
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At 7/31/2018 6:16:02 PM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 7/31/2018 4:21:09 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.
That's somewhat correct, because if the soul never enters the body it will be stillborn, just a bag of flesh with no animation.

That is a ridiculous assertion. What makes you think it is a "soul" that gives animation?
SOUL-
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal

the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life
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7/31/2018 6:45:50 PM
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At 7/31/2018 6:28:49 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 6:16:02 PM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 7/31/2018 4:21:09 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.
That's somewhat correct, because if the soul never enters the body it will be stillborn, just a bag of flesh with no animation.

That is a ridiculous assertion. What makes you think it is a "soul" that gives animation?
SOUL-
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal

the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life

There are many fictional concepts. All have a definition. They are still fictional. Wizofoz did not ask what the definition of soul is he asked what makes you think it is a soul that gives animation. I would go a step further and ask how you know souls are not fictional concepts.
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7/31/2018 7:16:44 PM
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At 7/31/2018 1:56:13 PM, Willows wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.

Life starts the minute I get home and flip the top off a Corona.

Corona?!?!?!

Sorry bro... Just lost all respect.
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8/1/2018 12:25:31 AM
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At 7/31/2018 6:28:49 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 6:16:02 PM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 7/31/2018 4:21:09 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.
That's somewhat correct, because if the soul never enters the body it will be stillborn, just a bag of flesh with no animation.

That is a ridiculous assertion. What makes you think it is a "soul" that gives animation?
SOUL-
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal

the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life

And you have zero evidence this is what causes life, or that it's absence causes still birth.

What a cruel suggestion to make- that a mother looses a child because it "had no soul".
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8/1/2018 3:16:05 AM
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At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:

According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.

First provide a rigorous definition for what constitutes "life" and then ask the question again.
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8/1/2018 3:23:30 AM
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At 8/1/2018 12:25:31 AM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 7/31/2018 6:28:49 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 6:16:02 PM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 7/31/2018 4:21:09 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.
That's somewhat correct, because if the soul never enters the body it will be stillborn, just a bag of flesh with no animation.

That is a ridiculous assertion. What makes you think it is a "soul" that gives animation?
SOUL-
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal

the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life

And you have zero evidence this is what causes life, or that it's absence causes still birth.

What a cruel suggestion to make- that a mother looses a child because it "had no soul".
And just like a mean irritated atheist you try and turn an innocent well-meaning post into something ugly, shame on you. You don't know me by now? that's why I can't communicate with some of you extremists you have no sense of comradery only negativity and anger for whatever reasons it's quite disturbing. I said absolutely nothing cruel or negative and yet your mind does just that, incredible.
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8/1/2018 3:26:00 AM
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At 8/1/2018 3:23:30 AM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 8/1/2018 12:25:31 AM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 7/31/2018 6:28:49 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 6:16:02 PM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 7/31/2018 4:21:09 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.
That's somewhat correct, because if the soul never enters the body it will be stillborn, just a bag of flesh with no animation.

That is a ridiculous assertion. What makes you think it is a "soul" that gives animation?
SOUL-
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal

the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life

And you have zero evidence this is what causes life, or that it's absence causes still birth.

What a cruel suggestion to make- that a mother looses a child because it "had no soul".
And just like a mean irritated atheist you try and turn an innocent well-meaning post into something ugly, shame on you. You don't know me by now? that's why I can't communicate with some of you extremists you have no sense of comradery only negativity and anger for whatever reasons it's quite disturbing. I said absolutely nothing cruel or negative and yet your mind does just that, incredible.

It was a mean, hateful thing to say- I know you don't realize that, I accept you didn't mean to, but you should be able to face the negative consequences of your own beliefs.
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8/1/2018 3:35:58 AM
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At 8/1/2018 3:26:00 AM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:23:30 AM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 8/1/2018 12:25:31 AM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 7/31/2018 6:28:49 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 6:16:02 PM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 7/31/2018 4:21:09 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.
That's somewhat correct, because if the soul never enters the body it will be stillborn, just a bag of flesh with no animation.

That is a ridiculous assertion. What makes you think it is a "soul" that gives animation?
SOUL-
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal

the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life

And you have zero evidence this is what causes life, or that it's absence causes still birth.

What a cruel suggestion to make- that a mother looses a child because it "had no soul".
And just like a mean irritated atheist you try and turn an innocent well-meaning post into something ugly, shame on you. You don't know me by now? that's why I can't communicate with some of you extremists you have no sense of comradery only negativity and anger for whatever reasons it's quite disturbing. I said absolutely nothing cruel or negative and yet your mind does just that, incredible.

It was a mean, hateful thing to say- I know you don't realize that, I accept you didn't mean to, but you should be able to face the negative consequences of your own beliefs.
Lol ohh okay old timer, you know "I didn't mean to", and you know I "didn't realize" that yet you make an empty claim that's a lie and that somehow I was being mean and hateful, that's why I can't communicate with you. Let me know when you get a sense of reality of who I am.
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8/1/2018 3:37:36 AM
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At 8/1/2018 3:35:58 AM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:26:00 AM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:23:30 AM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 8/1/2018 12:25:31 AM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 7/31/2018 6:28:49 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 6:16:02 PM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 7/31/2018 4:21:09 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.
That's somewhat correct, because if the soul never enters the body it will be stillborn, just a bag of flesh with no animation.

That is a ridiculous assertion. What makes you think it is a "soul" that gives animation?
SOUL-
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal

the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life

And you have zero evidence this is what causes life, or that it's absence causes still birth.

What a cruel suggestion to make- that a mother looses a child because it "had no soul".
And just like a mean irritated atheist you try and turn an innocent well-meaning post into something ugly, shame on you. You don't know me by now? that's why I can't communicate with some of you extremists you have no sense of comradery only negativity and anger for whatever reasons it's quite disturbing. I said absolutely nothing cruel or negative and yet your mind does just that, incredible.

It was a mean, hateful thing to say- I know you don't realize that, I accept you didn't mean to, but you should be able to face the negative consequences of your own beliefs.
Lol ohh okay old timer, you know "I didn't mean to", and you know I "didn't realize" that yet you make an empty claim that's a lie and that somehow I was being mean and hateful, that's why I can't communicate with you. Let me know when you get a sense of reality of who I am.

You're someone who believes the lack of a soul causes dead babies.

Tell that to a Mother who has lost a baby.
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8/1/2018 3:42:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 3:37:36 AM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:35:58 AM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:26:00 AM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:23:30 AM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 8/1/2018 12:25:31 AM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 7/31/2018 6:28:49 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 6:16:02 PM, Wizofoz wrote:
At 7/31/2018 4:21:09 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 7/31/2018 1:44:02 PM, janesix wrote:
According to different religions and traditions. For instance, the Tibetan book of the dead states that life starts on the 49th day after conception when the soul enters a new body.
That's somewhat correct, because if the soul never enters the body it will be stillborn, just a bag of flesh with no animation.

That is a ridiculous assertion. What makes you think it is a "soul" that gives animation?
SOUL-
the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal

the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life

And you have zero evidence this is what causes life, or that it's absence causes still birth.

What a cruel suggestion to make- that a mother looses a child because it "had no soul".
And just like a mean irritated atheist you try and turn an innocent well-meaning post into something ugly, shame on you. You don't know me by now? that's why I can't communicate with some of you extremists you have no sense of comradery only negativity and anger for whatever reasons it's quite disturbing. I said absolutely nothing cruel or negative and yet your mind does just that, incredible.

It was a mean, hateful thing to say- I know you don't realize that, I accept you didn't mean to, but you should be able to face the negative consequences of your own beliefs.
Lol ohh okay old timer, you know "I didn't mean to", and you know I "didn't realize" that yet you make an empty claim that's a lie and that somehow I was being mean and hateful, that's why I can't communicate with you. Let me know when you get a sense of reality of who I am.

You're someone who believes the lack of a soul causes dead babies.

Tell that to a Mother who has lost a baby.
Perhaps you should tell the mother what happened. Maybe your ignorance will help the situation.

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