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8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM
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why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?
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8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!
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8/1/2018 4:05:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!

Learn to read you scripturally ignorant negro mutt. God made Adam and Eve dependent on the vegetation for their survival.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;

He also created the birds, animals and sea creatures for Adam and Eve's benefit.

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Livestock are domesticated animals raised in an agricultural setting to produce labor and commodities such as meat, eggs, milk, fur, leather, and wool. The term is sometimes used to refer solely to those that are bred for consumption, while other times it refers only to farmed ruminants, such as cattle and goats.
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8/1/2018 4:07:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!

You can certainly read Gen 1 as indicating YHWH intended a vegetarian diet, even for animals.

Gen 1:29 "Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground"everything that has the breath of life in it"I give every green plant for food." And it was so."

However YHWH's own preference seems to have been for animals rather that vegtables as sacrifices:

Gen 4:2 "...Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering"fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor."

I do not theorise on YHWH's thought processes!
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8/1/2018 4:16:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 4:07:20 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!

You can certainly read Gen 1 as indicating YHWH intended a vegetarian diet, even for animals.

Gen 1:29 "Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground"everything that has the breath of life in it"I give every green plant for food." And it was so."

However YHWH's own preference seems to have been for animals rather that vegtables as sacrifices:

Gen 4:2 "...Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering"fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor."

I do not theorise on YHWH's thought processes!

Scriptural evidence God was not a vegetarian. He appreciated Abels animal sacrifices more.

But God never intended this.
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8/1/2018 4:20:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!

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ETHANG5,

HUH? Relative Janesix's statement, you are going on the record positing that the animals your Jewish serial killer god Yahweh created, and where Adam named them, CHANGED THEIR EATING HABITS AFTER EVE TRANSGRESSED AND SINNED FIRST???!

OMG, another embarrassing moment for the totally inept pseudo-christian ETHANG5, as if his other laughable moments weren't enough! LOL

ETHANG5 RUNS from his own thread"s topic!
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POST #18

ETHANG5 continues to RUN from his bible's Virgin Birth!
Why was Jesus born of a virgin?
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POST #31

ETHANG5 runs from what his god says regarding the topic at hand!
So I have a dilemma
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ETHANG5 removes one foot to insert the other, again, and then RUNS FROM HIS FAITH!
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POST #19

ETHANG5 is still looking for his "Big Boy" pants, and RUNS AWAY AGAIN!
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POST $7

ETHANG5 has to address me through others, whereas, he can"t address me personally because he is to SCARED to be made the fool again!
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SecularMerlin
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8/1/2018 4:22:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 4:07:20 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!

You can certainly read Gen 1 as indicating YHWH intended a vegetarian diet, even for animals.

Gen 1:29 "Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground"everything that has the breath of life in it"I give every green plant for food." And it was so."

However YHWH's own preference seems to have been for animals rather that vegtables as sacrifices:

Gen 4:2 "...Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering"fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor."

I do not theorise on YHWH's thought processes!

That the bible claims Yahweh prefers animal sacrifice says more about the Hebrew authors of the bible (who were shepherds after all and who would probably have wanted to believe that their sacrifice were looked upon more favorably) than it does about the efficacy of any particular sacrifice (whose perceive benefits would seem to be mostly based on mistaking coincidence for causation).
The only true wisdom lies in knowing that you know nothing.
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ethang5
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8/1/2018 4:26:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 4:05:18 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!

Learn to read....

No. We have not been poisoned by hinduism. We do not recognize your stupid slave inducing caste system. A person's value is not measured by caste or skin color. The correct measure of a person, is the content of their character. And by that standard, you fail miserably. Your character is that of a cockroach.

We reject your slave caste system, we reject you and your filth, and we dismiss you."
Harikrish
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8/1/2018 4:31:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 4:26:57 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:05:18 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!

Learn to read....

No. We have not been poisoned by hinduism. We do not recognize your stupid slave inducing caste system. A person's value is not measured by caste or skin color. The correct measure of a person, is the content of their character. And by that standard, you fail miserably. Your character is that of a cockroach.

We reject your slave caste system, we reject you and your filth, and we dismiss you."


Try dismissing this!!!!

Africans seen abusing cows.
https://static1.squarespace.com...

https://goo.gl...
http://all-that-is-interesting.com...
https://i.pinimg.com...

Africans licking cows backsides.
https://youtu.be...
https://i.ytimg.com...
http://all-that-is-interesting.com...
http://www.thebirdman.org...

https://speedwealthy.com...
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8/1/2018 4:38:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:
why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

That's a great question and, ultimately, one of the most difficult ones to answer, let alone answer convincingly. There is substantially more that we don't understand in the universe than that which we DO understand. That doesn't mean that we don't understand the mechanism, but we can't really ever know the reason. Part of some people's faith is the idea that God has a reason and a plan and we don't have access to hat but we assume it exists. As I said, unconvincing to those who are not already predisposed to being convinced.
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8/1/2018 4:43:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 4:38:29 PM, rosends wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:
why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

That's a great question and, ultimately, one of the most difficult ones to answer, let alone answer convincingly. There is substantially more that we don't understand in the universe than that which we DO understand. That doesn't mean that we don't understand the mechanism, but we can't really ever know the reason. Part of some people's faith is the idea that God has a reason and a plan and we don't have access to hat but we assume it exists. As I said, unconvincing to those who are not already predisposed to being convinced.

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Livestock are domesticated animals raised in an agricultural setting to produce labor and commodities such as meat, eggs, milk, fur, leather, and wool. The term is sometimes used to refer solely to those that are bred for consumption, while other times it refers only to farmed ruminants, such as cattle and goats.
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8/1/2018 4:47:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 4:22:50 PM, SecularMerlin wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:07:20 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!

You can certainly read Gen 1 as indicating YHWH intended a vegetarian diet, even for animals.

Gen 1:29 "Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground"everything that has the breath of life in it"I give every green plant for food." And it was so."

However YHWH's own preference seems to have been for animals rather that vegtables as sacrifices:

Gen 4:2 "...Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering"fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor."

I do not theorise on YHWH's thought processes!

That the bible claims Yahweh prefers animal sacrifice says more about the Hebrew authors of the bible (who were shepherds after all and who would probably have wanted to believe that their sacrifice were looked upon more favorably) than it does about the efficacy of any particular sacrifice (whose perceive benefits would seem to be mostly based on mistaking coincidence for causation).

I'd say it almost certainly serves as an 'explanation' for the Hebrew practice of animal rater than vegetiable sacrifice. It may be mainly intended to deflect objections from ordinary Hebrews about the higher cost!

As a sidelight, Noah sacrifices some of the animals on the Ark at the end of the flood. (Gen 8:20) That would seem to be a rather silly thing to do, 'rescuing' them from the flood only to make them extinct straight afterwards, but I suppose it explains Gen 7:2 where it says Noah took 7 (not 2) of all clean animals - the other 5 were for sacrifice.
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8/1/2018 4:49:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:
why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?
Balance. Everything governed in the ecosystem is set for balance and without that balance there would be overpopulation. Gotta make room for the humans too. You wouldn't want insects and animals talking over the whole world would ya?
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8/1/2018 4:50:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 4:47:37 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:22:50 PM, SecularMerlin wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:07:20 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!

You can certainly read Gen 1 as indicating YHWH intended a vegetarian diet, even for animals.

Gen 1:29 "Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground"everything that has the breath of life in it"I give every green plant for food." And it was so."

However YHWH's own preference seems to have been for animals rather that vegtables as sacrifices:

Gen 4:2 "...Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering"fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor."

I do not theorise on YHWH's thought processes!

That the bible claims Yahweh prefers animal sacrifice says more about the Hebrew authors of the bible (who were shepherds after all and who would probably have wanted to believe that their sacrifice were looked upon more favorably) than it does about the efficacy of any particular sacrifice (whose perceive benefits would seem to be mostly based on mistaking coincidence for causation).

I'd say it almost certainly serves as an 'explanation' for the Hebrew practice of animal rater than vegetiable sacrifice. It may be mainly intended to deflect objections from ordinary Hebrews about the higher cost!

As a sidelight, Noah sacrifices some of the animals on the Ark at the end of the flood. (Gen 8:20) That would seem to be a rather silly thing to do, 'rescuing' them from the flood only to make them extinct straight afterwards, but I suppose it explains Gen 7:2 where it says Noah took 7 (not 2) of all clean animals - the other 5 were for sacrifice.

Just a note -- in 4:3, Cain brings an offering of fruit. In 4:4, Abel brings the choicest from his flock. The preference isn't about animal vs. fruit but about choicest vs. random.
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8/1/2018 4:51:10 PM
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God did little to nothing here. If you want to be a higher form of life you have to do certain things. You can choose not to eat meat.
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8/1/2018 4:52:14 PM
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At 8/1/2018 4:50:46 PM, rosends wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:47:37 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:22:50 PM, SecularMerlin wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:07:20 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!

You can certainly read Gen 1 as indicating YHWH intended a vegetarian diet, even for animals.

Gen 1:29 "Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground"everything that has the breath of life in it"I give every green plant for food." And it was so."

However YHWH's own preference seems to have been for animals rather that vegtables as sacrifices:

Gen 4:2 "...Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering"fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor."

I do not theorise on YHWH's thought processes!

That the bible claims Yahweh prefers animal sacrifice says more about the Hebrew authors of the bible (who were shepherds after all and who would probably have wanted to believe that their sacrifice were looked upon more favorably) than it does about the efficacy of any particular sacrifice (whose perceive benefits would seem to be mostly based on mistaking coincidence for causation).

I'd say it almost certainly serves as an 'explanation' for the Hebrew practice of animal rater than vegetiable sacrifice. It may be mainly intended to deflect objections from ordinary Hebrews about the higher cost!

As a sidelight, Noah sacrifices some of the animals on the Ark at the end of the flood. (Gen 8:20) That would seem to be a rather silly thing to do, 'rescuing' them from the flood only to make them extinct straight afterwards, but I suppose it explains Gen 7:2 where it says Noah took 7 (not 2) of all clean animals - the other 5 were for sacrifice.

Just a note -- in 4:3, Cain brings an offering of fruit. In 4:4, Abel brings the choicest from his flock. The preference isn't about animal vs. fruit but about choicest vs. random.

Adam and Eve had clothes made of fig leaves and god killed an animal to clothe them. He doesn't care much for animals it seems.
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8/1/2018 4:52:15 PM
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At 8/1/2018 4:07:20 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!

You can certainly read Gen 1 as indicating YHWH intended a vegetarian diet, even for animals.

Gen 1:29 "Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground"everything that has the breath of life in it"I give every green plant for food." And it was so."

However YHWH's own preference seems to have been for animals rather that vegtables as sacrifices:

He owned them. So what? Oh sorry, you're doing your innuendo smarmy thing again. Carry on.

I do not theorise on YHWH's thought processes!

Sure you do, all the time. Whenever it would help your implication and innuendo.
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8/1/2018 4:54:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 4:52:14 PM, Polytheist_Witch wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:50:46 PM, rosends wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:47:37 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:22:50 PM, SecularMerlin wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:07:20 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!

You can certainly read Gen 1 as indicating YHWH intended a vegetarian diet, even for animals.

Gen 1:29 "Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground"everything that has the breath of life in it"I give every green plant for food." And it was so."

However YHWH's own preference seems to have been for animals rather that vegtables as sacrifices:

Gen 4:2 "...Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering"fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor."

I do not theorise on YHWH's thought processes!

That the bible claims Yahweh prefers animal sacrifice says more about the Hebrew authors of the bible (who were shepherds after all and who would probably have wanted to believe that their sacrifice were looked upon more favorably) than it does about the efficacy of any particular sacrifice (whose perceive benefits would seem to be mostly based on mistaking coincidence for causation).

I'd say it almost certainly serves as an 'explanation' for the Hebrew practice of animal rater than vegetiable sacrifice. It may be mainly intended to deflect objections from ordinary Hebrews about the higher cost!

As a sidelight, Noah sacrifices some of the animals on the Ark at the end of the flood. (Gen 8:20) That would seem to be a rather silly thing to do, 'rescuing' them from the flood only to make them extinct straight afterwards, but I suppose it explains Gen 7:2 where it says Noah took 7 (not 2) of all clean animals - the other 5 were for sacrifice.

Just a note -- in 4:3, Cain brings an offering of fruit. In 4:4, Abel brings the choicest from his flock. The preference isn't about animal vs. fruit but about choicest vs. random.

Adam and Eve had clothes made of fig leaves and god killed an animal to clothe them. He doesn't care much for animals it seems.

That could be a conclusion that you draw, sure. My point was simply that the conclusion drawn from the verses noted did not account for all the words.
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8/1/2018 4:55:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 4:31:34 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:26:57 PM, ethang5 wrote:

Learn to read....

No. We have not been poisoned by hinduism. We do not recognize your stupid slave inducing caste system. A person's value is not measured by caste or skin color. The correct measure of a person, is the content of their character. And by that standard, you fail miserably. Your character is that of a cockroach.

We reject your slave caste system, we reject you and your filth, and we dismiss you."


Try dismissing this!!!!

Your repetitive spam has already been dismissed. So have you and your filth.
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8/1/2018 4:57:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2018 4:49:50 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:
why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?
Balance. Everything governed in the ecosystem is set for balance and without that balance there would be overpopulation. Gotta make room for the humans too. You wouldn't want insects and animals talking over the whole world would ya?
If bats didn't eat mosquitos and snakes didn't eat rats we'd be in big trouble.
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8/1/2018 5:21:01 PM
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At 8/1/2018 4:50:46 PM, rosends wrote
Just a note -- in 4:3, Cain brings an offering of fruit. In 4:4, Abel brings the choicest from his flock. The preference isn't about animal vs. fruit but about choicest vs. random.

Hmm... I think that interpretation owes a lot to a desire to down-play the signficance of animal sacrifice in ancient Hebrew ritual. My judgement is that overall the OT implies non-animal sacrifice certainly existed but were considered 'second class' and used for relatively minor matters. That is non-animal sacrifice was better than nothing, but not as good as animal sacrifice. That may or may not be in accord with conventional exegesis - but it's how I read it.
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8/1/2018 6:09:47 PM
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At 8/1/2018 5:21:01 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:50:46 PM, rosends wrote
Just a note -- in 4:3, Cain brings an offering of fruit. In 4:4, Abel brings the choicest from his flock. The preference isn't about animal vs. fruit but about choicest vs. random.

Hmm... I think that interpretation owes a lot to a desire to down-play the signficance of animal sacrifice in ancient Hebrew ritual. My judgement is that overall the OT implies non-animal sacrifice certainly existed but were considered 'second class' and used for relatively minor matters. That is non-animal sacrifice was better than nothing, but not as good as animal sacrifice. That may or may not be in accord with conventional exegesis - but it's how I read it.

The read that I presented depends on the sense that each word is vital so an omission is significant. If one lists "choice" and one doesn't, that must mean something.

Later sacrificial discussions have non-animal sacrifices as (in many but not all cases) reflective of lower economic status. Certain non-animal offerings (like meal/bread/wine) were regardless of financial security.
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8/1/2018 6:19:32 PM
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At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!
The OT also claims that the Jews had an army of 600,000 men and and had to run away from the Egyptians and all of the tiny tribes dotted around the tiny Sinai desert, well ya just gotta believe the ignorant savages who wrote that crap.
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8/1/2018 6:23:44 PM
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At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture.
It doesn't say that at all. The OT had no idea what the whole world was and the OT knew that the world was flat, 'cause their god told 'em so.
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8/1/2018 6:25:49 PM
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At 8/1/2018 6:09:47 PM, rosends wrote:
At 8/1/2018 5:21:01 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:50:46 PM, rosends wrote
Just a note -- in 4:3, Cain brings an offering of fruit. In 4:4, Abel brings the choicest from his flock. The preference isn't about animal vs. fruit but about choicest vs. random.

Hmm... I think that interpretation owes a lot to a desire to down-play the signficance of animal sacrifice in ancient Hebrew ritual. My judgement is that overall the OT implies non-animal sacrifice certainly existed but were considered 'second class' and used for relatively minor matters. That is non-animal sacrifice was better than nothing, but not as good as animal sacrifice. That may or may not be in accord with conventional exegesis - but it's how I read it.

The read that I presented depends on the sense that each word is vital so an omission is significant. If one lists "choice" and one doesn't, that must mean something.

Later sacrificial discussions have non-animal sacrifices as (in many but not all cases) reflective of lower economic status. Certain non-animal offerings (like meal/bread/wine) were regardless of financial security.

I'm not sure but I think you are a believer? I am not, but either way perhaps you will agree that the story is a fiction. I think its function is to provide a justification for the higher value placed on animal sacrifice by the ancient Hebrew.
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8/1/2018 6:27:03 PM
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At 8/1/2018 4:52:15 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:07:20 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:47:39 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 8/1/2018 3:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:

why did god create organisms to feed off of each other? Since plants (and some animals) can live off photosynthesis , why not create all life that way?

He did not. The OT tells us that the entire world changed when sin entered the picture. The NT tells us that all creation "groans" in anticipation of being freed from the taint of sin by the Mighty Hero, King Jesus Christ.

Yaaay!!!!!

You can certainly read Gen 1 as indicating YHWH intended a vegetarian diet, even for animals.

Gen 1:29 "Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground"everything that has the breath of life in it"I give every green plant for food." And it was so."

However YHWH's own preference seems to have been for animals rather that vegtables as sacrifices:

He owned them. So what? Oh sorry, you're doing your innuendo smarmy thing again. Carry on.

I do not theorise on YHWH's thought processes!

Sure you do, all the time. Whenever it would help your implication and innuendo.
Why didn't anyone sacrifice dinosaurs to the god of fun?
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8/1/2018 6:31:01 PM
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At 8/1/2018 6:27:03 PM, bulproof wrote:
Why didn't anyone sacrifice dinosaurs to the god of fun?

Perhaps they did and that's why there's none left.
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8/1/2018 6:36:21 PM
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At 8/1/2018 6:31:01 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 6:27:03 PM, bulproof wrote:
Why didn't anyone sacrifice dinosaurs to the god of fun?

Perhaps they did and that's why there's none left.
Hadn't thought of that! Which chapter of the bible explains that.

I'm not sure how we can arrange a transfer of your Old Harry's Game. Any ideas? I would love the full version.
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8/1/2018 6:36:35 PM
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At 8/1/2018 5:21:01 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 4:50:46 PM, rosends wrote
Just a note -- in 4:3, Cain brings an offering of fruit. In 4:4, Abel brings the choicest from his flock. The preference isn't about animal vs. fruit but about choicest vs. random.

Hmm... I think that interpretation owes a lot to a desire to down-play the signficance of animal sacrifice in ancient Hebrew ritual. My judgement is that overall the OT implies non-animal sacrifice certainly existed but were considered 'second class' and used for relatively minor matters. That is non-animal sacrifice was better than nothing, but not as good as animal sacrifice. That may or may not be in accord with conventional exegesis - but it's how I read it.

Non animal offering. A sacrifice is animal. You can't sacrifice a plant, no blood. Morons.
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8/1/2018 6:43:28 PM
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At 8/1/2018 6:36:21 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/1/2018 6:31:01 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 8/1/2018 6:27:03 PM, bulproof wrote:
Why didn't anyone sacrifice dinosaurs to the god of fun?

Perhaps they did and that's why there's none left.
Hadn't thought of that! Which chapter of the bible explains that.

I'm not sure how we can arrange a transfer of your Old Harry's Game. Any ideas? I would love the full version

It's back on pirate bay - if you can't get that to work PM me an e-mail address and I will send it.
https://ikwilthepiratebay.org...

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