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Tradesecret
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11/24/2018 1:56:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Often the point is raised about a talking snake in the garden of Eden and a talking donkey preventing a stupid false prophet from getting killed as examples of why the bible is a myth and cannot be trusted. This of course is stupid reason and a strawman argument that needs to be booted out from the discussion. In fact continuing to argue on that basis only makes the one making the argument look foolish.

The fact is that only two stories in the entire bible make this claim out of literally thousands. This means that the incidence of talking animals is extremely rare and is not considered normal in biblical interpretation. In other words, It is so rare, So unusual that 99. 9% of persons within the bible would find it incredulous. This is important because the implication is that animals don't talk. Hence the bible insists that animals don't talk, So to suggest that the bible is full of talking animals is actually intellectually dishonest.

Yet there are two examples - both mentioned above. Now we can draw a couple of conclusions from this. Firstly, We can just say it is myth and then ask the question of the point of the inclusion. Secondly, We can observe that it occurred - and as such is such a rare and unusual even impossible situation that its occurrence must have particularly important ramifications and implications. Just like the unusual and rare incidences of people be revived from the dead. Such rare occurrences of events is not simply an invitation to throw it away as nonsense, But an invitation to explore further.

It is the biblical view that animals don't talk. It is one of the clear marks that distinguish humanity from animals. It is also the biblical view that humans all die once. Both of these positions are in clear accord with science and ordinary human sense. (Evolutionists of course might disregard the human/ animal distinction even though their explanation for the same is absurdly absent) Hence the Bible is not stupid or foolish or mythological based upon such arguments as talking animals or dead people rising. It clearly states that these things are so rare and unusual that it raises the questions of the divine. Atheists blubber and stumble over that thought because the presume firstly there is no god, Hence their conclusion is that these things cannot happen - full stop. Yet the evidence from many persons is that they did. Hence the atheist gets caught in his own circular reasoning and is unable to find an escape. Rather he is content to sit and live in his own excrement of his own wisdom or at least the pretense that such is wisdom.
Harikrish
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11/24/2018 2:06:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Tradesecret wrote:
Often the point is raised about a talking snake in the garden of Eden and a talking donkey preventing a stupid false prophet from getting killed as examples of why the bible is a myth and cannot be trusted. This of course is stupid reason and a strawman argument that needs to be booted out from the discussion. In fact continuing to argue on that basis only makes the one making the argument look foolish.

The fact is that only two stories in the entire bible make this claim out of literally thousands. This means that the incidence of talking animals is extremely rare and is not considered normal in biblical interpretation. In other words, It is so rare, So unusual that 99. 9% of persons within the bible would find it incredulous. This is important because the implication is that animals don't talk. Hence the bible insists that animals don't talk, So to suggest that the bible is full of talking animals is actually intellectually dishonest.

Yet there are two examples - both mentioned above. Now we can draw a couple of conclusions from this. Firstly, We can just say it is myth and then ask the question of the point of the inclusion. Secondly, We can observe that it occurred - and as such is such a rare and unusual even impossible situation that its occurrence must have particularly important ramifications and implications. Just like the unusual and rare incidences of people be revived from the dead. Such rare occurrences of events is not simply an invitation to throw it away as nonsense, But an invitation to explore further.

It is the biblical view that animals don't talk. It is one of the clear marks that distinguish humanity from animals. It is also the biblical view that humans all die once. Both of these positions are in clear accord with science and ordinary human sense. (Evolutionists of course might disregard the human/ animal distinction even though their explanation for the same is absurdly absent) Hence the Bible is not stupid or foolish or mythological based upon such arguments as talking animals or dead people rising. It clearly states that these things are so rare and unusual that it raises the questions of the divine. Atheists blubber and stumble over that thought because the presume firstly there is no god, Hence their conclusion is that these things cannot happen - full stop. Yet the evidence from many persons is that they did. Hence the atheist gets caught in his own circular reasoning and is unable to find an escape. Rather he is content to sit and live in his own excrement of his own wisdom or at least the pretense that such is wisdom.

Humans are primates and classified as the great apes. According to Darwin our common ancestors were Old World Monkeys. So the bible is full of talking animals besides the talking serpent.
anonthegreat
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11/24/2018 5:07:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
This post is about unclean spirits orbs vs clean spirit orbs and how it relates to talking animals. The unclean spirit-orbs are bound in mortality frequency, The clean spirit-orbs live in immortal bodies, The fact the spirit is an orb is important to know because it can go into different forms.

There is an example of legends of demons of unclean spirit-orbs talking to Jesus and asking to go into a large herd of swine and lied to Him so they could kill the pigs and make the owners mad. The owners asked Jesus to leave and disregarded the miracle as the demons planned it. First point, Never talk to demons. They lie. Second point, Spirit-orbs can live in animals.

The reincarnation during the evolutionary processes of the physical body in Hinduism is half-true, And that is why they never give up the idea of the ET philosophy. Incarnating into an animal, Which a spirit-orb can do, Is not as a punishment of karma. The spirit-orb wants to volunteer for a different body created by God to experience His will and glory by instinct. Insects don't have blood or spirit-orbs and neither do plants because they are different life forms. But they live by the Spirit of Yahweh in them, Both male and female. Those who believe in talking to plants are talking to Yahweh, And He likes it. Insects are not needed in eternity, But plants are. The won't be resurrected, But they will be created by Spirit of Yahweh in eternity, Both male and females, The ideas came from the light I walk in using the Bible as indicated. The ideas come from the Bible, Not me. Weeds come from Yahweh to teach man about evil ideas. The sweat of the brow represents renewing of the mind by the water of the word. His word is symbolic of mental work in the weeds, Not physical work. It is just like spare the rod of truth and spoil the child is not a physical stick, It is imperative we cover our bodies when we read the Bible as adults (not as children) or we will misunderstand it as adults. Children cannot look at their thoughts and are born as a baby into heaven anyway.

That said, Animals have blood and spirit-orbs like us. Not even a sparrow falls to the ground unnoticed by God, And Jesus asked, Are birds greater than man? We assume the answer is no because man is greater by arrogant presumption. But truth is the spirit-orb is the same. And they are equal. That is why the Bible has so many good rules about animals and killing them without repenting by covering the body and getting the right ideas into the mind to stop sinning and stop killing them.

They wanted to help humans know good and evil to live the Golden Rule rather than the survival of the fittest that animals are forced to live unless humans domesticate them by freewill choice. The ideas of domesticating a lion from birth is a good example. Some people have a desire placed in them by God to love animals and teach them to be domesticated and be free from survival of the fittest laws of nature. Sometimes it does not want to but prefer to teach humans the better way of the Golden Rule by sticking to its divine calling to be an animal and not a human. Natural pets like dogs and cats are an exception created by God to teach a love for animals as human relationships fall apart. People need some kind of love. But they do not know the spirit-orbs are identical. Sex with animals is the extreme behavior of dysfunctional love.

The scripture in Hebrews about dying once was given because everyone outside the assemblies of Christ talked about their past lives, But we are to only think of this life because we are judged for only this life, God does not hold grudges of the past as we have been falsely taught about Karma and sin.

Before we die, And later, After all our different lives are over, We are resurrected or translated. The author of Hebrews goes into very deep concepts of translation of Melchizedek and the New Covenant for immortal beings, Such as the resurrected Christ that had His memory restored because He was worthy of translation. He said he was going to discuss the meat rather than milk ideas. The milk doctrines are repentance of being a thief and entering the first heaven. The meat doctrine is removing the Satan of darkness created in our spirits and being translated into the New Covenant like Melchizedek did.

Melchizedek is not Christ, Of course, As theologians present to us. There are different life forms to put the spirit orb into different soul forms, Depending on how much responsibility they want to reason like God does. The human form is the highest form of life that has the ability of God to reason and know good and evil. Other ohysical life forms do not have the ability to reason in a physical body and did not want it. Rather, They wanted to follow God's will by instinct and teach humans the difference between survival of the fittest vs the Golden Rule that requires reason. They chose to do that for us to glorify God.

By saying humans are like animals distorts the purpose of animals to represent the kinds of ideas we believe, Both good and evil. The mysteries of God go deeper than anyone can imagine, And as usual, The fallen sons of God have perverted the meaning of being reincarnated into different animals for a punishment of Karma and is ridiculous. The spirit-orbs want to teach the Satanists survival of the fittest, Which is what we don't want to believe in or do. The act of animals is an awesome act of love for us to teach good and evil.

But of coarse. The fallen sons of God created their fantasies they believe and want to change the genetics to create a universe without mortality as an eternal, Genetic system of living against the will of God. We need to use the Bible that has these ideas of reincarnation buried into it' The horse talked telepathically, Not audible, To bridge us to the notion that animals have the same kind of spirit-orb that thinks and reasons. To place animals above humans destroy their purpose. They are equal. But the mission is different that ours so the animal bodies cannot talk or reason like us.

The snake represents Lucifer to symbolically represent his qualities. He is of the physical outward perspectives of dust, He has no free will arms and legs, He has no backbone of truth, But his truth is his opinions not knowledge, And he speaks lies to divide us for the purpose of deceiving us with half-truths, Such as reincarnation of animals based of Karma and not free will that the ETs and Hindus believe in. There is a reason billions of people believe in such reincarnation philosophies of animals. It is half-true.
Harikrish
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11/24/2018 6:36:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Tradesecret wrote:
When you have something meaningful to contribute hari rash, Then I will respond.

Darwin wrote in The descent of man: "The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, The New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, At a remote period, Man, The wonder and glory of the Universe, Proceeded.

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