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The case of Valmiki"s family

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12/31/2018 4:03:15 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Dr. Nikhil asked:
I request You to please throw light on the case of the enjoyer of the benefit too. Specifically, In the case of Valmiki"s story, His family said that they would not accept a share in the sin even though they were the enjoyers of the wealth earned through sinful means.

Swami replied:
It is said that the above-mentioned four parties equally share the fruit of the sin. It means that each of the four, Separately and fully enjoys the fruit of the deed. For instance, If the fruit of a sin is a hundred beatings, Then each of the above four, Receives a hundred beatings in hell. It certainly does not mean that each will get just twenty-five beatings, Which is one-fourth of the share of the total beatings. Coming to the main point, Sage Nārada met the robber Vālmīki in the forest and asked him to ask his family if they were ready to share the fruit of his sin. Valmīki"s family replied that they would not share his sin since they were not directly involved in the sin of robbing others. The family members gave that answer due to their ignorance about the actual concept. But that answer shocked Vālmīki, Who left his sinful ways and later became a sage. The conversion of Vālmīki was a positive outcome. It need not be criticized just because it was based on his family"s false understanding of the cycle of deeds.

When Vālmīki returned to Nārada, On hearing his family"s ignorant answer, Nārada did not correct it. Nārada was a real preacher or Guru, And not a mere scholar. The Guru does not bother about the truth of a concept as much as the upliftment of the soul. If a concept is false but if it can help the soul progress to the next higher level, The Guru will even preach that false concept for the immediate spiritual progress of the soul. Such a lie told for a good purpose is called arthavāda. Sometimes, The truth can cause damage and prevent the spiritual progress of the soul. In that case, It should not be revealed for the time being. The real Guru has this tendency to give more importance to the progress of the soul than simply revealing the truth carelessly. The real Guru preaches and reveals the truth carefully based on the psychology of the receivers. This tendency is clearly seen in the three divine preachers, "6;aM49;kara, Rāmānuja and Madhva.

If in a court, A party or its advocate make any claim, It need not be accepted by the judge, Who is the final authority on the constitution. Hence, The answer given by the family to Vālmīki need not be taken as the final authority. Our understanding of the actual concept need not be based on their answer. It is the ignorance of the family to think that they would not have to undergo the punishment for the sin. Actually, They come under the fourth category of the supporters of the sin or anumodakas, And they cannot escape punishment. The family obviously knew that Vālmīki was bringing money and jewels by robbing other people. They knew that he was not earning money through hard work.

When Vālmīki went to his home as per Nārada"s instructions, He did not ask his family whether they knew that the wealth he was bringing home was robbed from other people, And not earned through hard work. He simply asked the family whether they would share the sin or not. The family too was not shocked to find out that Vālmīki was a robber. They merely refused to share the sin, Which clearly proves that they were already fully aware that Vālmīki was earning through sinful means.

They were enjoying that sinfully-earned wealth with full awareness. They replied ignorantly saying that they would not share the sin even though they were enjoying the fruit of the deed, Which was the wealth. They falsely claimed that they would not suffer the punishment for the sinful deed since they were not the direct doers of the sin. The ignorant family had limited the responsibility of the sin to only the first party, Which is the kartā or the direct doer of the sin. The ignorance of the family was exploited by sage Nārada for doing the good work of reforming Vālmīki.

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1/1/2019 7:41:17 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
The Lord says the wealth of the wicked is laid up for the righteous. The righteous are the persons who repent, In the post above, They were not under commandments from God in covenant, So they keep the wealth and forget about the sin. The past is forgiven.

That is the grace of God in action. FORGET THE PAST. It cannot be changed. That is the grace of God. But if you don't want to repent and stop being a thief, Then don't make a rainbow covenant with God.

Just read the Book of Ephesians with these paradigms. One book. A few chapters! The grace of God is completely misunderstood today because people attach belief in Christ to forgiveness of sin at the cross, And it is all false. The cross is the power to repent of sin and removing Satan in our spirit-orbs by translation or resurrection to live forever without Satan in us.

The people above are not responsible for covenants they never made with God, And then religions gets into the "I sorry God" absolute crap. God is a God of promising to repent and stop being a thief by obeying the Ten Commandments. You were not under covenant with God, So you are not under the law. This is what Paul tried really hard to teach the Gentiles, But the Satanists moles kept saying they had to keep the law and return the money they stole, Or whatever sin, Because the law of "restitution". If you have been a thief all your life, And spent all the money, What kind of grace is that? Garbage grace. Even murder. It's forgiven. Don't TELL ANYBODY. DUH! But stop stealing the lives of others. Now if repent and make a covenant with God, And then murder someone, You need to turn yourself in to get a reward in eternity. If you a Christian, You have likely never repented and make a Covenant with God, So the same thing applies to you. Keep the money. You are not under the law until you make a covenant with God. You promise not to be a thief. It is really simple, But the words atonement and testament destroy the true grace of God.

Get it? The Satanists did this on purpose to sabotage the grace of the Father in Christ to those who make a covenant with Him to keep the Ten Commandments. The scripture says we are saved by GRACE through faith. It does not say we are saved by faith through grace. Christians have faith and grace backwards and out of order.

The Christians do not know God with the atonement and testament ideas added by the Catholic Satanists who believe in the unconditional love of the fallen sons of God. No. As mortals, We need conditional love of the 10 commandments and the Golden Rule to stop being thieves. Unconditional love is for "heavenly places in the first, Second, And third heaven.

Of course, If someone reasons, "Just one more heist, And then I will repent and make a covenant promise to keep the 10 commandments". If we try and fail in sincerity of heart, That is ok. We will be resurrected instead of translated.

Be if we say we will steal one more time, Ant repent later, That is not repentance, And God does not being played like a fool. If you don't want to covenant with God and go to heaven as a mortal, Then don't make any covenants in white grace to overcome the world. Stay in His black grace. Don't mess with Yahweh. HAVE INTEGRITY IN WHAT YOU BELIEVE. However, His black grace is VERY conditional with other mortals under covenant in the pyramid structures, And they will own you as a slave by covenant. Heaven does not have any laws against the Holy Spirit.

We are saved by white Grace in heaven 1, 2, Or 3 through faith. We are all translated or resurrected to receive the light by repentance and faith. If we don't repent, Christ will come as a thief in the night in the resurrection and rip out Satan and the darkness, And you will suffer loss of light but live forever with a fixed light switch and not a dimmer switch to vary from bright to dim.

The grace of God is awesome. Therefore, Christ could say to the cripple man, "Your sins are forgiven you. " He could say that to each one of us right now. I have that same power by teaching the truth about God. I know Him. HE DOES NOT HOLD GRUDGES. Forget the past, Keep the money, For you were not under the law until you covenant to keep the 10 commandments and not the 1, 000, 000 commandments of religion, Theologians, And other man.

God holds no grudges about sins of the past and you are forgiven. When we read the Bible, The is the context of God forgiving us of the past. Those who stop stealing from others and stop stealing the glory of God are no longer sinners. From God's perspective in eternity, The past is over and forgotten with no grudges. This is the grace Paul talks about! It not whar religions, T
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1/1/2019 8:22:04 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
"Again, The kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, Who, When he had found one pearl of great price, Went and sold all that he had and bought it. " (Matt 13:33)

1, First, Cover the flesh. Yahweh is a Spirit, Not a body.
2. A pearl = eternal truth, Not mortal truth of the body,
3. He sold his "thoughts" to God" as payment to God in repentance by renewing the mind.

If a thief find the pearl of eternal truth, He as to buy it. The kingdom of heaven is to free. It is free in terms of mortal things, But repentance is required to possess the kingdom of heaven with us.

That pearl of Great Price is that God forgives you of the past by grace and no works, Or good deeds, Or thoughts, Or feelings, Can change the past. All a person has to do is believe in the true character of God, That is why He tells us not to have any grudges of the past, Because that is His character of grace. We receive the true grace by believing in His good character of not thinking of the past. It's over.

By grace we are saved through faith and not of works. (Eph 2:8). All we need to do is stop being a thief after we enter in a rainbow covenant with Him. There is a rainbow in heaven representing his two covenants that are one: First covenants is for mortals. We live by the golden rule. We need CONDITIONAL LOVE, The last covenant is for immortals or for MORTAL adults walking in the light of heaven within. Heaven has no laws. HIS LOVE IN HEAVEN IS UNCONDITIONAL.

The kingdom of heaven is like a peal of great price.
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1/1/2019 8:46:07 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
You shall not take vengeance, Nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, But you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord. (Lev 19:18)

When we stop holding grudges and accept the past is over and can't be changed, We become like God, Knowing good and evil.
Harikrish
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1/2/2019 6:00:00 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
anonthegreat wrote:
You shall not take vengeance, Nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, But you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord. (Lev 19:18)

When we stop holding grudges and accept the past is over and can't be changed, We become like God, Knowing good and evil.

According to the Genesis we have become like God Knowing good and evil. You have not caught up with Genesis even after spending 43 years to make sense of the bible because you are handicapped by your mental illness.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, Knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, And live forever. "
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1/2/2019 9:46:02 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Hirakrish, The point I am making is that the 10 Commandments are for Israel, Not the Gentiles, And if a Gentile breaks the commandments, God does not hold anyone responsible because the person did not make an oath or covenant with God. Mortals are responsible to take care of their own business, Such as the financial systems, And laws they create to govern the planet outside of the 10 Commandments to prove by experience His 10 Commandment are better than man's or the fallen sons of God, Or the ETs to run the planet.

When a Gentile does make a covenant with God, Yahweh doesn't care about the past, So the "law of restitution" does not apply to a thief or murderer. The past is over.

However, If a Gentile (stranger among Israel) does enter into a covenant with Him, Yahweh expect the Gentile to stop being a thief. He was as serious about His covenant as the Satanists are about their oaths and covenants. It is called commitment with the penalty of death. This is why the Satanist have faith in the Creator to receive revelation, And the Christian's don't. Yahweh will appear to Christian prophets, But generally speaking, The don't want to be prophets. They haven't struggled in the black light under the penalty of death.

There is no commitment when Christians believe the words atonement and testament are true. That is why the Satanists and not Christians are going to be used to fulfill the covenants God made with Abraham to be translated by grace through faith. It is as simply as that. They already know about faith and commitment in the black grace.

Satanists and the occult are very committed to the point of death for breaking their oaths and covenants with the Creator, Who is Yahweh. And the deaths are justified by Yahweh because they made a covenant to Yahweh's black grace. Therefore, When transitioning to white grace, It is like flipping over a coin to heads in the Spirit, And the knowledge of the black grace remains in tact. They have the money, But they need to flip over the coin to love the Character of Yahweh in Christ and not just His black power. They don't leave Yahweh or His love they felt in the black grace, But they leave the IDEAS of the fallen sons of God that deceived them about our history, Where we came from, Our purpose as mortals, And the afterlife.

The punishment for breaking the covenant in several instance was death in white grace, Just as it is in the white grace for breaking the covenant of murder, Adultery, And the Sabbath Day which are they three biggest sins against translation. The Sabbath day is needed to learn to walk in the light 24/7 while we are working physically the other 6 days of the week.

But the law did not apply outside of Israel. Paul tried to teach the truth, But the Satanist moles treated the Gentiles like they were under the covenant of the Law before they were baptized into the New Covenant heaven that has no laws. The children, Of course, Were to be circumcised as babies and live the Law as children physically before they could see their own hearts. In Acts 21, Paul was accused by a false rumor that he taught circumcision for babies was not needed, Which was a false narrative created by Satanists to protect the people from Yahweh's lies:

And when we had come to Jerusalem, The brethren received us gladly. On the following day Paul went in with us to James, And all the elders were present. When he had greeted them, He told in detail those things which God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. And when they heard it, They glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, Brother, How many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, And they are all zealous for the law; but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, Saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. What then? The assembly must certainly meet, For they will hear that you have come. Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. Take them and be purified with them, And pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, And that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, But that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. (Acts 21:17-24)
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1/2/2019 11:18:47 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
anonthegreat wrote:
Hirakrish, The point I am making is that the 10 Commandments are for Israel, Not the Gentiles, And if a Gentile breaks the commandments, God does not hold anyone responsible because the person did not make an oath or covenant with God. Mortals are responsible to take care of their own business, Such as the financial systems, And laws they create to govern the planet outside of the 10 Commandments to prove by experience His 10 Commandment are better than man's or the fallen sons of God, Or the ETs to run the planet.

Nothing about your post is about the 10 commandment.
Read what you posted:
You said: You shall not take vengeance, Nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, But you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord. (Lev 19:18)
When we stop holding grudges and accept the past is over and can't be changed, We become like God, Knowing good and evil. "

Genesis already confirms humans became like God knowing good and evil after Adam ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

According to the Genesis we have become like God Knowing good and evil. You have not caught up with Genesis even after spending 43 years to make sense of the bible because you are handicapped by your mental illness.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, Knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, And live forever. "

When a Gentile does make a covenant with God, Yahweh doesn't care about the past, So the "law of restitution" does not apply to a thief or murderer. The past is over.

One is always responsible for ones actions. That is why repentance is part of Jesus's message.
Jesus said ""repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations. . . " (Luke 24:47).
* He said, "I came not to call the righteous, But sinners to repentance" (Luke 5:32).

However, If a Gentile (stranger among Israel) does enter into a covenant with Him, Yahweh expect the Gentile to stop being a thief. He was as serious about His covenant as the Satanists are about their oaths and covenants. It is called commitment with the penalty of death. This is why the Satanist have faith in the Creator to receive revelation, And the Christian's don't. Yahweh will appear to Christian prophets, But generally speaking, The don't want to be prophets. They haven't struggled in the black light under the penalty of death.

Whether you accept or not all will be judge.
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, That each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, Whether good or bad.

There is no commitment when Christians believe the words atonement and testament are true. That is why the Satanists and not Christians are going to be used to fulfill the covenants God made with Abraham to be translated by grace through faith. It is as simply as that. They already know about faith and commitment in the black grace.

Atonement is found in both the Old Testament and New Testament. Read your bible you ignorant mutt.

Satanists and the occult are very committed to the point of death for breaking their oaths and covenants with the Creator, Who is Yahweh. And the deaths are justified by Yahweh because they made a covenant to Yahweh's black grace. Therefore, When transitioning to white grace, It is like flipping over a coin to heads in the Spirit, And the knowledge of the black grace remains in tact. They have the money, But they need to flip over the coin to love the Character of Yahweh in Christ and not just His black power. They don't leave Yahweh or His love they felt in the black grace, But they leave the IDEAS of the fallen sons of God that deceived them about our history, Where we came from, Our purpose as mortals, And the afterlife.

You problem is not the Satanists or the occult. Your problem is your mental illness and scriptural ignorance.

The punishment for breaking the covenant in several instance was death in white grace, Just as it is in the white grace for breaking the covenant of murder, Adultery, And the Sabbath Day which are they three biggest sins against translation. The Sabbath day is needed to learn to walk in the light 24/7 while we are working physically the other 6 days of the week.

There is no white or black grace. The scriptures only speak of one grace.

But the law did not apply outside of Israel. Paul tried to teach the truth, But the Satanist moles treated the Gentiles like they were under the covenant of the Law before they were baptized into the New Covenant heaven that has no laws. The children, Of course, Were to be circumcised as babies and live the Law as children physically before they could see their own hearts. In Acts 21, Paul was accused by a false rumor that he taught circumcision for babies was not needed, Which was a false narrative created by Satanists to protect the people from Yahweh's lies:

The only covenants God made was with Israel. Gentiles were never part of God's covenants.

And when we had come to Jerusalem, The brethren received us gladly. On the following day Paul went in with us to James, And all the elders were present. When he had greeted them, He told in detail those things which God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. And when they heard it, They glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, Brother, How many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, And they are all zealous for the law; but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, Saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. What then? The assembly must certainly meet, For they will hear that you have come. Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. Take them and be purified with them, And pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, And that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, But that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. (Acts 21:17-24)
Jesus and his apostles including Paul were Jews and followed Judaism which was based on Mosaic laws. They were all circumcised. Fire them to, Teach otherwise was pure hypocrisy.
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1/2/2019 11:22:15 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Fixed typo in post#7

Jesus and his apostles including Paul were Jews and followed Judaism which was based on Mosaic laws. They were all circumcised. For them to teach otherwise was pure hypocrisy.
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1/3/2019 4:08:40 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
anonthegreat wrote:
Thanks. No problem.

You problem is not the Satanists or the occult. Your problem is your mental illness and scriptural ignorance.

Did you write those 7 volume conspiracy theories about the Jewish International Banking and their global dominance in the New World Order under similar mental duress?

Why were you struggling trying to understand the Fed Reserve, SEC, Stock Trading, Two approved accounting systems 'cash or accrual'. Wall Street and different types of banking and financial regulations?

Is there any area you can claim you actually know even at a rudimentary level? Your mental illness appears to have handicapped you from early childhood.

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