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MadCornishBiker
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1/25/2017 2:59:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Well, ask yourself:

How many different teachings did Christ teach?

How many different teachings do you see in the Apostle's letters?

The simple answer, and the only true one is that they only taught one doctrine, one set of teachings, and they tolerated no deviation from that one truth.
Therefore there is only one truthful answer.

No Christ would not tolerate such movements, nor did the Apostles after him. Scripture is very clear on that point "one mind, and one way of thinking" was the standard, and remains the standard today.
It impossible to make a horse drink which is not thirsty, or eat if it is not hungry.

Likewise it is impossible to teach a person who does not wish to learn. Matthew 13:15.
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1/25/2017 4:54:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/25/2017 2:59:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
Well, ask yourself:

How many different teachings did Christ teach?

How many different teachings do you see in the Apostle's letters?

The simple answer, and the only true one is that they only taught one doctrine, one set of teachings, and they tolerated no deviation from that one truth.
Therefore there is only one truthful answer.

No Christ would not tolerate such movements, nor did the Apostles after him. Scripture is very clear on that point "one mind, and one way of thinking" was the standard, and remains the standard today.
So how would you explain the frequent doctrinal changes within the Jehovah's Witnesses organization.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are famous for their changing doctrines. In 2015 they even announced a total change in their method of explaining Scriptures.

"There are a some specific doctrinal changes spelled out in the March 15, 2015 Watchtower (the "Study Edition" available on the JW.ORG website). But the biggest, most important change is about a method for explaining Scripture that will affect many more doctrines than the specific examples mentioned in the magazine.

With this issue, literally thousands of pages of previously printed doctrinal material are rendered obsolete. It also sets a new direction for Bible commentary in The Watchtower that has the potential to completely "reset" SEVERAL of the unique doctrines of Jehovah"s Witnesses, and MOST of the prophetic interpretations. Even the chronological interpretations are at risk of becoming obsolete. (For example, until the last decade, "1918" was taught as a prophetically significant date that was once mentioned just about as often as 1919 was mentioned. Yet, many JWs are not even aware that 1918 has already been quietly dropped as a prophetically significant date, for reasons that are aligned with the changes set forth in this March 15, 2015 issue.)

To get an idea of how sweeping the general change already is, you would have to know just how much prior doctrine is affected by these sentences from the March 15th Watchtower:

"In times past, it was more common for our literature to take what might be called a type-antitype approach to Scriptural accounts." (p.3) "Humans cannot know which Bible accounts are shadows of things to come and which are not. The clearest course is this: Where the Scriptures teach that an individual, an event, or an object is typical of something else, we accept it as such. Otherwise, we ought to be reluctant to assign an antitypical application to a certain person or account if there is no specific Scriptural basis for doing so." (p.18)"
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1/25/2017 8:58:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/25/2017 2:59:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

The simple answer, and the only true one is that they only taught one doctrine, one set of teachings, and they tolerated no deviation from that one truth.
Therefore there is only one truthful answer.
This is rather golden coming from a JW. I mean, surely you are aware of the fact that the Watchtower themselves have taught different positions at different times. They have even went back and forth on issues of blood transfusions. The reality is that there is always room for interpretive differences. That is why the early church writers often disagreed with each other. For example, is baptism a requirement for salvation? Here are two dissenting voices in the early church:

"It is on this account as well that the Church has received the tradition from the apostles to give baptism even to little children. For they to whom the secrets of the divine mysteries were committed were aware that in everyone was sin"s innate defilement, which needed to be washed away through water and the Spirit." (Origen, Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, book 5 (verse 9), 185-254 AD)

"Whosoever will candidly consider each particular, will recognise the greatness of the gifts which were given by him. For from him have sprung the priests and all the Levites who minister at the altar of God. From him also [was descended] our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. From him [arose] kings, princes, and rulers of the race of Judah. Nor are his other tribes in small glory, inasmuch as God had promised, Your seed shall be as the stars of heaven. All these, therefore, were highly honoured, and made great, not for their own sake, or for their own works, or for the righteousness which they wrought, but through the operation of His will. And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Clement of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians, 110 AD)

So what do you make of this? Quite obviously the early church had disagreements, which called for councils. Heresies cropped up. Heresies such as unitarianism, which you adhere to. They had to be condemned.
"You contribute nothing to your salvation except the sin that made it necessary." - Jonathan Edwards
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1/26/2017 12:56:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/25/2017 8:58:47 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 1/25/2017 2:59:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

The simple answer, and the only true one is that they only taught one doctrine, one set of teachings, and they tolerated no deviation from that one truth.
Therefore there is only one truthful answer.
This is rather golden coming from a JW. I mean, surely you are aware of the fact that the Watchtower themselves have taught different positions at different times. They have even went back and forth on issues of blood transfusions. The reality is that there is always room for interpretive differences. That is why the early church writers often disagreed with each other. For example, is baptism a requirement for salvation? Here are two dissenting voices in the early church:

"It is on this account as well that the Church has received the tradition from the apostles to give baptism even to little children. For they to whom the secrets of the divine mysteries were committed were aware that in everyone was sin"s innate defilement, which needed to be washed away through water and the Spirit." (Origen, Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, book 5 (verse 9), 185-254 AD)

"Whosoever will candidly consider each particular, will recognise the greatness of the gifts which were given by him. For from him have sprung the priests and all the Levites who minister at the altar of God. From him also [was descended] our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. From him [arose] kings, princes, and rulers of the race of Judah. Nor are his other tribes in small glory, inasmuch as God had promised, Your seed shall be as the stars of heaven. All these, therefore, were highly honoured, and made great, not for their own sake, or for their own works, or for the righteousness which they wrought, but through the operation of His will. And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Clement of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians, 110 AD)

So what do you make of this? Quite obviously the early church had disagreements, which called for councils. Heresies cropped up. Heresies such as unitarianism, which you adhere to. They had to be condemned.

Of course they have taught different things at different times, as always Jehovah reveals things bit by bit.

When they first started out they had to learn a lot, get rid of a lot of ideas from the Antichrist they had come out of. They are still learning even now.

Those who do not learn get stuck in their won error, the fact that they have learned and progressed, as Proverbs 4:18 tells us, "But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."

So it has been for the JWs from the moment They were called to Christ's side, and thus it will continue to be.

In fact their growth is a mark of their being the true church.

The point about unity does not mean that you remain stuck in the mire of error, it means that you all move forward together on the same path, with the same teaching moving from error to truth as Jehovah reveals things.

Did even God's only begotten son always know everything?

Well Paul says that despite millennia of faithful service alongside his father he still had to "learn obedience through the things he suffered" to add another dimension to his knowledge and experience.

The JWs too had to learn obedience, obediently moving out of error into the increasing light.

All you have done is pointed out another evidence that they are the one true church.
It impossible to make a horse drink which is not thirsty, or eat if it is not hungry.

Likewise it is impossible to teach a person who does not wish to learn. Matthew 13:15.
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1/26/2017 1:29:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/26/2017 12:56:11 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/25/2017 8:58:47 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 1/25/2017 2:59:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

The simple answer, and the only true one is that they only taught one doctrine, one set of teachings, and they tolerated no deviation from that one truth.
Therefore there is only one truthful answer.
This is rather golden coming from a JW. I mean, surely you are aware of the fact that the Watchtower themselves have taught different positions at different times. They have even went back and forth on issues of blood transfusions. The reality is that there is always room for interpretive differences. That is why the early church writers often disagreed with each other. For example, is baptism a requirement for salvation? Here are two dissenting voices in the early church:

"It is on this account as well that the Church has received the tradition from the apostles to give baptism even to little children. For they to whom the secrets of the divine mysteries were committed were aware that in everyone was sin"s innate defilement, which needed to be washed away through water and the Spirit." (Origen, Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, book 5 (verse 9), 185-254 AD)

"Whosoever will candidly consider each particular, will recognise the greatness of the gifts which were given by him. For from him have sprung the priests and all the Levites who minister at the altar of God. From him also [was descended] our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. From him [arose] kings, princes, and rulers of the race of Judah. Nor are his other tribes in small glory, inasmuch as God had promised, Your seed shall be as the stars of heaven. All these, therefore, were highly honoured, and made great, not for their own sake, or for their own works, or for the righteousness which they wrought, but through the operation of His will. And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Clement of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians, 110 AD)

So what do you make of this? Quite obviously the early church had disagreements, which called for councils. Heresies cropped up. Heresies such as unitarianism, which you adhere to. They had to be condemned.

Of course they have taught different things at different times, as always Jehovah reveals things bit by bit.

When they first started out they had to learn a lot, get rid of a lot of ideas from the Antichrist they had come out of. They are still learning even now.

Those who do not learn get stuck in their won error, the fact that they have learned and progressed, as Proverbs 4:18 tells us, "But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."

So it has been for the JWs from the moment They were called to Christ's side, and thus it will continue to be.

In fact their growth is a mark of their being the true church.

The point about unity does not mean that you remain stuck in the mire of error, it means that you all move forward together on the same path, with the same teaching moving from error to truth as Jehovah reveals things.

Did even God's only begotten son always know everything?

Well Paul says that despite millennia of faithful service alongside his father he still had to "learn obedience through the things he suffered" to add another dimension to his knowledge and experience.

The JWs too had to learn obedience, obediently moving out of error into the increasing light.

All you have done is pointed out another evidence that they are the one true church.

And you are not part of that church. Yiu got disfellowshipped and shunned by the Jehivah's Witnesses over 10 years ago because they found you unworthy to be a Jehovah's Witness. Must be hard waking up every morning knowing you got rejected by the one true church. You also got rejected by your 3 children and all your marriages ended in divorces. Today you live alone with a dog because no one wants to be near you. Jehovah is all you got left. But even Jehovah is in no hurry to fix you up. Your mind hasn't been right since you were young. You suffer from low self esteem. Try to avoid seeing your reflection. It is the cause of your suicidal depression. That is why so many women dumped you.
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1/26/2017 2:52:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/26/2017 12:56:11 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/25/2017 8:58:47 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 1/25/2017 2:59:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

The simple answer, and the only true one is that they only taught one doctrine, one set of teachings, and they tolerated no deviation from that one truth.
Therefore there is only one truthful answer.
This is rather golden coming from a JW. I mean, surely you are aware of the fact that the Watchtower themselves have taught different positions at different times. They have even went back and forth on issues of blood transfusions. The reality is that there is always room for interpretive differences. That is why the early church writers often disagreed with each other. For example, is baptism a requirement for salvation? Here are two dissenting voices in the early church:

"It is on this account as well that the Church has received the tradition from the apostles to give baptism even to little children. For they to whom the secrets of the divine mysteries were committed were aware that in everyone was sin"s innate defilement, which needed to be washed away through water and the Spirit." (Origen, Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, book 5 (verse 9), 185-254 AD)

"Whosoever will candidly consider each particular, will recognise the greatness of the gifts which were given by him. For from him have sprung the priests and all the Levites who minister at the altar of God. From him also [was descended] our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. From him [arose] kings, princes, and rulers of the race of Judah. Nor are his other tribes in small glory, inasmuch as God had promised, Your seed shall be as the stars of heaven. All these, therefore, were highly honoured, and made great, not for their own sake, or for their own works, or for the righteousness which they wrought, but through the operation of His will. And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Clement of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians, 110 AD)

So what do you make of this? Quite obviously the early church had disagreements, which called for councils. Heresies cropped up. Heresies such as unitarianism, which you adhere to. They had to be condemned.

Of course they have taught different things at different times, as always Jehovah reveals things bit by bit.

When they first started out they had to learn a lot, get rid of a lot of ideas from the Antichrist they had come out of. They are still learning even now.

Those who do not learn get stuck in their won error, the fact that they have learned and progressed, as Proverbs 4:18 tells us, "But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."

So it has been for the JWs from the moment They were called to Christ's side, and thus it will continue to be.

In fact their growth is a mark of their being the true church.

Constantly screwing up - and requiring its adherents to believe and teach the screw-up - is a mark of being the "true church"?
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1/26/2017 3:06:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/26/2017 2:52:20 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 1/26/2017 12:56:11 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/25/2017 8:58:47 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 1/25/2017 2:59:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

The simple answer, and the only true one is that they only taught one doctrine, one set of teachings, and they tolerated no deviation from that one truth.
Therefore there is only one truthful answer.
This is rather golden coming from a JW. I mean, surely you are aware of the fact that the Watchtower themselves have taught different positions at different times. They have even went back and forth on issues of blood transfusions. The reality is that there is always room for interpretive differences. That is why the early church writers often disagreed with each other. For example, is baptism a requirement for salvation? Here are two dissenting voices in the early church:

"It is on this account as well that the Church has received the tradition from the apostles to give baptism even to little children. For they to whom the secrets of the divine mysteries were committed were aware that in everyone was sin"s innate defilement, which needed to be washed away through water and the Spirit." (Origen, Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, book 5 (verse 9), 185-254 AD)

"Whosoever will candidly consider each particular, will recognise the greatness of the gifts which were given by him. For from him have sprung the priests and all the Levites who minister at the altar of God. From him also [was descended] our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. From him [arose] kings, princes, and rulers of the race of Judah. Nor are his other tribes in small glory, inasmuch as God had promised, Your seed shall be as the stars of heaven. All these, therefore, were highly honoured, and made great, not for their own sake, or for their own works, or for the righteousness which they wrought, but through the operation of His will. And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Clement of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians, 110 AD)

So what do you make of this? Quite obviously the early church had disagreements, which called for councils. Heresies cropped up. Heresies such as unitarianism, which you adhere to. They had to be condemned.

Of course they have taught different things at different times, as always Jehovah reveals things bit by bit.

When they first started out they had to learn a lot, get rid of a lot of ideas from the Antichrist they had come out of. They are still learning even now.

Those who do not learn get stuck in their won error, the fact that they have learned and progressed, as Proverbs 4:18 tells us, "But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."

So it has been for the JWs from the moment They were called to Christ's side, and thus it will continue to be.

In fact their growth is a mark of their being the true church.

Constantly screwing up - and requiring its adherents to believe and teach the screw-up - is a mark of being the "true church"?

MCB is not mentally stable. He doesn't follow the true church either. He said so himself. Yet he defends them because he forgets his position every time he posts. His mind ain't right. Read why he doesn't .

http://www.theforumsite.com...

Nov 18, 2012 @ 00:34:37
Madcornishbiker wrote: "Let's face it, in many ways I am amongst the lowest of the low because I am a disfellowshipped person, even his earthly organisation looks down n em at present. So what. I don't serve them I serve God and Christ and will do as long as I have breath in my body because I am more than aware of what I owe them. Another reason God chooses lowly ones such as me I suppose. We know we don't deserve it and therefore value it al the more for that.
Why would He choose someone who thinks they deserve it, lol?"
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1/26/2017 3:07:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/26/2017 12:56:11 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
This is rather golden coming from a JW. I mean, surely you are aware of the fact that the Watchtower themselves have taught different positions at different times. They have even went back and forth on issues of blood transfusions. The reality is that there is always room for interpretive differences. That is why the early church writers often disagreed with each other. For example, is baptism a requirement for salvation? Here are two dissenting voices in the early church:

"It is on this account as well that the Church has received the tradition from the apostles to give baptism even to little children. For they to whom the secrets of the divine mysteries were committed were aware that in everyone was sin"s innate defilement, which needed to be washed away through water and the Spirit." (Origen, Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, book 5 (verse 9), 185-254 AD)

"Whosoever will candidly consider each particular, will recognise the greatness of the gifts which were given by him. For from him have sprung the priests and all the Levites who minister at the altar of God. From him also [was descended] our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. From him [arose] kings, princes, and rulers of the race of Judah. Nor are his other tribes in small glory, inasmuch as God had promised, Your seed shall be as the stars of heaven. All these, therefore, were highly honoured, and made great, not for their own sake, or for their own works, or for the righteousness which they wrought, but through the operation of His will. And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Clement of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians, 110 AD)

So what do you make of this? Quite obviously the early church had disagreements, which called for councils. Heresies cropped up. Heresies such as unitarianism, which you adhere to. They had to be condemned.

Of course they have taught different things at different times, as always Jehovah reveals things bit by bit.
God does not reveal things bit by bit. There are no new revelations. Everything is in the Bible. You may learn more things through study. However, God Himself is not giving out new revelation.

When they first started out they had to learn a lot, get rid of a lot of ideas from the Antichrist they had come out of. They are still learning even now.
They had a lot to learn because they were inventing new ideas that are not taught in Scripture. Ideas such as no blood transfusions or unitarianism.

Those who do not learn get stuck in their won error, the fact that they have learned and progressed, as Proverbs 4:18 tells us, "But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."
I agree that we should continue to grow spiritually by studying the Scripture. No one is arguing with that.

So it has been for the JWs from the moment They were called to Christ's side, and thus it will continue to be.
They were not called to anyone's side.

In fact their growth is a mark of their being the true church.
Every church "grows."

The point about unity does not mean that you remain stuck in the mire of error, it means that you all move forward together on the same path, with the same teaching moving from error to truth as Jehovah reveals things.

Did even God's only begotten son always know everything?
Not while on earth.

Well Paul says that despite millennia of faithful service alongside his father he still had to "learn obedience through the things he suffered" to add another dimension to his knowledge and experience.
You are not quite hitting the mark. In the words of Calvin, "The proximate end of Christ's sufferings was thus to habituate himself to obedience; not that he was driven to this by force, or that he had need of being thus exercised, as the case is with oxen or horses when their ferocity is to be tamed, for he was abundantly willing to render to his Father the obedience which he owed. But this was done from a regard to our benefit, that he might exhibit to us an instance and an example of subjection even to death itself."

The JWs too had to learn obedience, obediently moving out of error into the increasing light.
Except they still hold fast to many of their errors. Errors such as the 1914 chronology, the rejection of the trinity, the ban on blood transfusions, etc.

All you have done is pointed out another evidence that they are the one true church.
In what sense? Every church changes. None remain stagnant.
"You contribute nothing to your salvation except the sin that made it necessary." - Jonathan Edwards
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1/26/2017 3:24:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/26/2017 3:06:37 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 1/26/2017 2:52:20 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 1/26/2017 12:56:11 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/25/2017 8:58:47 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 1/25/2017 2:59:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

The simple answer, and the only true one is that they only taught one doctrine, one set of teachings, and they tolerated no deviation from that one truth.
Therefore there is only one truthful answer.
This is rather golden coming from a JW. I mean, surely you are aware of the fact that the Watchtower themselves have taught different positions at different times. They have even went back and forth on issues of blood transfusions. The reality is that there is always room for interpretive differences. That is why the early church writers often disagreed with each other. For example, is baptism a requirement for salvation? Here are two dissenting voices in the early church:

"It is on this account as well that the Church has received the tradition from the apostles to give baptism even to little children. For they to whom the secrets of the divine mysteries were committed were aware that in everyone was sin"s innate defilement, which needed to be washed away through water and the Spirit." (Origen, Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, book 5 (verse 9), 185-254 AD)

"Whosoever will candidly consider each particular, will recognise the greatness of the gifts which were given by him. For from him have sprung the priests and all the Levites who minister at the altar of God. From him also [was descended] our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. From him [arose] kings, princes, and rulers of the race of Judah. Nor are his other tribes in small glory, inasmuch as God had promised, Your seed shall be as the stars of heaven. All these, therefore, were highly honoured, and made great, not for their own sake, or for their own works, or for the righteousness which they wrought, but through the operation of His will. And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Clement of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians, 110 AD)

So what do you make of this? Quite obviously the early church had disagreements, which called for councils. Heresies cropped up. Heresies such as unitarianism, which you adhere to. They had to be condemned.

Of course they have taught different things at different times, as always Jehovah reveals things bit by bit.

When they first started out they had to learn a lot, get rid of a lot of ideas from the Antichrist they had come out of. They are still learning even now.

Those who do not learn get stuck in their won error, the fact that they have learned and progressed, as Proverbs 4:18 tells us, "But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."

So it has been for the JWs from the moment They were called to Christ's side, and thus it will continue to be.

In fact their growth is a mark of their being the true church.

Constantly screwing up - and requiring its adherents to believe and teach the screw-up - is a mark of being the "true church"?

MCB is not mentally stable. He doesn't follow the true church either. He said so himself. Yet he defends them because he forgets his position every time he posts. His mind ain't right. Read why he doesn't .

http://www.theforumsite.com...

Nov 18, 2012 @ 00:34:37
Madcornishbiker wrote: "Let's face it, in many ways I am amongst the lowest of the low because I am a disfellowshipped person, even his earthly organisation looks down n em at present. So what. I don't serve them I serve God and Christ and will do as long as I have breath in my body because I am more than aware of what I owe them. Another reason God chooses lowly ones such as me I suppose. We know we don't deserve it and therefore value it al the more for that.
Why would He choose someone who thinks they deserve it, lol?"

"MCB is not mentally stable." That's an understatement. I bet the nursing homes in his area aren't looking forward to his stay with them, especially if they have any Filipino nurses or aides.
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1/26/2017 3:29:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/26/2017 1:29:28 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 1/26/2017 12:56:11 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/25/2017 8:58:47 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 1/25/2017 2:59:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

The simple answer, and the only true one is that they only taught one doctrine, one set of teachings, and they tolerated no deviation from that one truth.
Therefore there is only one truthful answer.
This is rather golden coming from a JW. I mean, surely you are aware of the fact that the Watchtower themselves have taught different positions at different times. They have even went back and forth on issues of blood transfusions. The reality is that there is always room for interpretive differences. That is why the early church writers often disagreed with each other. For example, is baptism a requirement for salvation? Here are two dissenting voices in the early church:

"It is on this account as well that the Church has received the tradition from the apostles to give baptism even to little children. For they to whom the secrets of the divine mysteries were committed were aware that in everyone was sin"s innate defilement, which needed to be washed away through water and the Spirit." (Origen, Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, book 5 (verse 9), 185-254 AD)

"Whosoever will candidly consider each particular, will recognise the greatness of the gifts which were given by him. For from him have sprung the priests and all the Levites who minister at the altar of God. From him also [was descended] our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. From him [arose] kings, princes, and rulers of the race of Judah. Nor are his other tribes in small glory, inasmuch as God had promised, Your seed shall be as the stars of heaven. All these, therefore, were highly honoured, and made great, not for their own sake, or for their own works, or for the righteousness which they wrought, but through the operation of His will. And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Clement of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians, 110 AD)

So what do you make of this? Quite obviously the early church had disagreements, which called for councils. Heresies cropped up. Heresies such as unitarianism, which you adhere to. They had to be condemned.

Of course they have taught different things at different times, as always Jehovah reveals things bit by bit.

When they first started out they had to learn a lot, get rid of a lot of ideas from the Antichrist they had come out of. They are still learning even now.

Those who do not learn get stuck in their won error, the fact that they have learned and progressed, as Proverbs 4:18 tells us, "But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."

So it has been for the JWs from the moment They were called to Christ's side, and thus it will continue to be.

In fact their growth is a mark of their being the true church.

The point about unity does not mean that you remain stuck in the mire of error, it means that you all move forward together on the same path, with the same teaching moving from error to truth as Jehovah reveals things.

Did even God's only begotten son always know everything?

Well Paul says that despite millennia of faithful service alongside his father he still had to "learn obedience through the things he suffered" to add another dimension to his knowledge and experience.

The JWs too had to learn obedience, obediently moving out of error into the increasing light.

All you have done is pointed out another evidence that they are the one true church.

And you are not part of that church. Yiu got disfellowshipped and shunned by the Jehivah's Witnesses over 10 years ago because they found you unworthy to be a Jehovah's Witness.

Not only that, he has managed to continue and perpetuate his status as unfit to be a Jehovah's Witness. I'd love to be a fly on the wall as he explained his latest "marriage" to and sexual relations with the Filipino hoochie.

MCB (head in hands): " ... but we were married! She met me at the airport and took me home! She even posted it on her Facebook page and volleyball shirt."

Elders: "Tack on another 5 years for that stunt."
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1/26/2017 8:13:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/26/2017 3:24:17 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 1/26/2017 3:06:37 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 1/26/2017 2:52:20 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 1/26/2017 12:56:11 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/25/2017 8:58:47 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 1/25/2017 2:59:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

The simple answer, and the only true one is that they only taught one doctrine, one set of teachings, and they tolerated no deviation from that one truth.
Therefore there is only one truthful answer.
This is rather golden coming from a JW. I mean, surely you are aware of the fact that the Watchtower themselves have taught different positions at different times. They have even went back and forth on issues of blood transfusions. The reality is that there is always room for interpretive differences. That is why the early church writers often disagreed with each other. For example, is baptism a requirement for salvation? Here are two dissenting voices in the early church:

"It is on this account as well that the Church has received the tradition from the apostles to give baptism even to little children. For they to whom the secrets of the divine mysteries were committed were aware that in everyone was sin"s innate defilement, which needed to be washed away through water and the Spirit." (Origen, Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, book 5 (verse 9), 185-254 AD)

"Whosoever will candidly consider each particular, will recognise the greatness of the gifts which were given by him. For from him have sprung the priests and all the Levites who minister at the altar of God. From him also [was descended] our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. From him [arose] kings, princes, and rulers of the race of Judah. Nor are his other tribes in small glory, inasmuch as God had promised, Your seed shall be as the stars of heaven. All these, therefore, were highly honoured, and made great, not for their own sake, or for their own works, or for the righteousness which they wrought, but through the operation of His will. And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Clement of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians, 110 AD)

So what do you make of this? Quite obviously the early church had disagreements, which called for councils. Heresies cropped up. Heresies such as unitarianism, which you adhere to. They had to be condemned.

Of course they have taught different things at different times, as always Jehovah reveals things bit by bit.

When they first started out they had to learn a lot, get rid of a lot of ideas from the Antichrist they had come out of. They are still learning even now.

Those who do not learn get stuck in their won error, the fact that they have learned and progressed, as Proverbs 4:18 tells us, "But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."

So it has been for the JWs from the moment They were called to Christ's side, and thus it will continue to be.

In fact their growth is a mark of their being the true church.

Constantly screwing up - and requiring its adherents to believe and teach the screw-up - is a mark of being the "true church"?

MCB is not mentally stable. He doesn't follow the true church either. He said so himself. Yet he defends them because he forgets his position every time he posts. His mind ain't right. Read why he doesn't .

http://www.theforumsite.com...

Nov 18, 2012 @ 00:34:37
Madcornishbiker wrote: "Let's face it, in many ways I am amongst the lowest of the low because I am a disfellowshipped person, even his earthly organisation looks down n em at present. So what. I don't serve them I serve God and Christ and will do as long as I have breath in my body because I am more than aware of what I owe them. Another reason God chooses lowly ones such as me I suppose. We know we don't deserve it and therefore value it al the more for that.
Why would He choose someone who thinks they deserve it, lol?"

"MCB is not mentally stable." That's an understatement. I bet the nursing homes in his area aren't looking forward to his stay with them, especially if they have any Filipino nurses or aides.

Maybe he was told if he wanted to sleep with them he would have to bring his your own. He went to the Phillipines to find one. Two dumped him, the third one doesn't speak English. I guess it will cost him more to get someone that speaks English.
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1/26/2017 8:21:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/26/2017 3:29:15 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 1/26/2017 1:29:28 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 1/26/2017 12:56:11 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/25/2017 8:58:47 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 1/25/2017 2:59:31 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

The simple answer, and the only true one is that they only taught one doctrine, one set of teachings, and they tolerated no deviation from that one truth.
Therefore there is only one truthful answer.
This is rather golden coming from a JW. I mean, surely you are aware of the fact that the Watchtower themselves have taught different positions at different times. They have even went back and forth on issues of blood transfusions. The reality is that there is always room for interpretive differences. That is why the early church writers often disagreed with each other. For example, is baptism a requirement for salvation? Here are two dissenting voices in the early church:

"It is on this account as well that the Church has received the tradition from the apostles to give baptism even to little children. For they to whom the secrets of the divine mysteries were committed were aware that in everyone was sin"s innate defilement, which needed to be washed away through water and the Spirit." (Origen, Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, book 5 (verse 9), 185-254 AD)

"Whosoever will candidly consider each particular, will recognise the greatness of the gifts which were given by him. For from him have sprung the priests and all the Levites who minister at the altar of God. From him also [was descended] our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. From him [arose] kings, princes, and rulers of the race of Judah. Nor are his other tribes in small glory, inasmuch as God had promised, Your seed shall be as the stars of heaven. All these, therefore, were highly honoured, and made great, not for their own sake, or for their own works, or for the righteousness which they wrought, but through the operation of His will. And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Clement of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians, 110 AD)

So what do you make of this? Quite obviously the early church had disagreements, which called for councils. Heresies cropped up. Heresies such as unitarianism, which you adhere to. They had to be condemned.

Of course they have taught different things at different times, as always Jehovah reveals things bit by bit.

When they first started out they had to learn a lot, get rid of a lot of ideas from the Antichrist they had come out of. They are still learning even now.

Those who do not learn get stuck in their won error, the fact that they have learned and progressed, as Proverbs 4:18 tells us, "But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."

So it has been for the JWs from the moment They were called to Christ's side, and thus it will continue to be.

In fact their growth is a mark of their being the true church.

The point about unity does not mean that you remain stuck in the mire of error, it means that you all move forward together on the same path, with the same teaching moving from error to truth as Jehovah reveals things.

Did even God's only begotten son always know everything?

Well Paul says that despite millennia of faithful service alongside his father he still had to "learn obedience through the things he suffered" to add another dimension to his knowledge and experience.

The JWs too had to learn obedience, obediently moving out of error into the increasing light.

All you have done is pointed out another evidence that they are the one true church.

And you are not part of that church. Yiu got disfellowshipped and shunned by the Jehivah's Witnesses over 10 years ago because they found you unworthy to be a Jehovah's Witness.

Not only that, he has managed to continue and perpetuate his status as unfit to be a Jehovah's Witness. I'd love to be a fly on the wall as he explained his latest "marriage" to and sexual relations with the Filipino hoochie.

MCB (head in hands): " ... but we were married! She met me at the airport and took me home! She even posted it on her Facebook page and volleyball shirt."

Elders: "Tack on another 5 years for that stunt."

He will never see the inside of Kingdom Hall again.
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1/26/2017 8:22:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Rather than mock someone I don't know...

So according to your post, if there's 33K denominations of Christianitty, 29,999 of them all have adherents who are doomed? Why hasn't god made himself easier to understand if all he wants is to be loved and worshipped and praised?

These are sincere questions. I didn't sign up here for the usual internet stuff, I hope I came to the right place.
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1/26/2017 8:25:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/26/2017 8:22:04 PM, Ludofl3x wrote:
Rather than mock someone I don't know...

So according to your post, if there's 33K denominations of Christianitty, 29,999 of them all have adherents who are doomed? Why hasn't god made himself easier to understand if all he wants is to be loved and worshipped and praised?

These are sincere questions. I didn't sign up here for the usual internet stuff, I hope I came to the right place.

Sorry, I meant 32,999

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