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Harikrish
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2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
In the beginning Darwin wrote in The descent of man: "The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded.

Humans along with gorillas and chimpanzees are classified as the great apes. And since Adam was made in the image of God at the beginning of evolution. God and Adam looked like monkeys more specifically Old World Monkeys.

We all descended from a common female ancestor.

"In 1987, a group of genet"icists published a surprising study in the journal Nature." The" researchers examined the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) taken from 147 people across all of today's major racial groups. These researchers found that the lineage of all people alive today falls on one of two branches in humanity's family tree. One of these branches consists of nothing but African lineage, the other contains all other groups, including some African lineage.

Even more impressive, the geneticists concluded that every person on Earth right now can trace his or her lineage back to a single common female ancestor who lived around 200,000 years ago. Because one entire branch of human lineage is of African origin and the other contains African lineage as well, the study's authors concluded Africa is the place where this woman lived. The scientists named this common female ancestor Mitochondrial Eve."
Obviously it took an Adam to make that happen. For that there is the Y Chromosome.

Evidence of Adam and Eve coexisting.
http://www.nature.com...

Basics: Becoming Human, Part 1: Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosome Adam
http://biologos.org...

Scriptural evidence for an evolving God

If you go by Genesis's timeline. God had not fully evolved so he was still a monkey more specifically Old World Monkey. This explains the early mistakes God made with creation, the talking serpent, the flood and his obsession with trees being arboreal. Tree of knowledge and tree of life were his favourites. Now you know why he was so upset when Adam and Eve messed with his favourite tree.

Somebody asked where does Jesus fall into this equation?

Scientists have discovered the God Gene which explains how faith is hardwired in our genes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So how did the God Gene get into the human genome?

Scriptures give us some clue as to how both Jesus and the God Gene falls into this equation.

Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

So what was Jesus's primary message to humans?

.??
Harikrish
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2/24/2017 11:17:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Many don't think it is possible to interpret science with scriptures or scriptures with science.
Where science and faith converge.
http://www.reasons.org...
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2/24/2017 11:34:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:
In the beginning Darwin wrote in The descent of man: "The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded.

Humans along with gorillas and chimpanzees are classified as the great apes. And since Adam was made in the image of God at the beginning of evolution. God and Adam looked like monkeys more specifically Old World Monkeys.

We all descended from a common female ancestor.

"In 1987, a group of genet"icists published a surprising study in the journal Nature." The" researchers examined the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) taken from 147 people across all of today's major racial groups. These researchers found that the lineage of all people alive today falls on one of two branches in humanity's family tree. One of these branches consists of nothing but African lineage, the other contains all other groups, including some African lineage.

Even more impressive, the geneticists concluded that every person on Earth right now can trace his or her lineage back to a single common female ancestor who lived around 200,000 years ago. Because one entire branch of human lineage is of African origin and the other contains African lineage as well, the study's authors concluded Africa is the place where this woman lived. The scientists named this common female ancestor Mitochondrial Eve."
Obviously it took an Adam to make that happen. For that there is the Y Chromosome.

Evidence of Adam and Eve coexisting.
http://www.nature.com...


Basics: Becoming Human, Part 1: Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosome Adam
http://biologos.org...

Scriptural evidence for an evolving God

If you go by Genesis's timeline. God had not fully evolved so he was still a monkey more specifically Old World Monkey. This explains the early mistakes God made with creation, the talking serpent, the flood and his obsession with trees being arboreal. Tree of knowledge and tree of life were his favourites. Now you know why he was so upset when Adam and Eve messed with his favourite tree.

Somebody asked where does Jesus fall into this equation?

Scientists have discovered the God Gene which explains how faith is hardwired in our genes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So how did the God Gene get into the human genome?

Scriptures give us some clue as to how both Jesus and the God Gene falls into this equation.

Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

So what was Jesus's primary message to humans?

.?? Join this group.
Harikrish
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2/25/2017 12:43:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2017 11:34:06 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:
In the beginning Darwin wrote in The descent of man: "The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded.

Humans along with gorillas and chimpanzees are classified as the great apes. And since Adam was made in the image of God at the beginning of evolution. God and Adam looked like monkeys more specifically Old World Monkeys.

We all descended from a common female ancestor.

"In 1987, a group of genet"icists published a surprising study in the journal Nature." The" researchers examined the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) taken from 147 people across all of today's major racial groups. These researchers found that the lineage of all people alive today falls on one of two branches in humanity's family tree. One of these branches consists of nothing but African lineage, the other contains all other groups, including some African lineage.

Even more impressive, the geneticists concluded that every person on Earth right now can trace his or her lineage back to a single common female ancestor who lived around 200,000 years ago. Because one entire branch of human lineage is of African origin and the other contains African lineage as well, the study's authors concluded Africa is the place where this woman lived. The scientists named this common female ancestor Mitochondrial Eve."
Obviously it took an Adam to make that happen. For that there is the Y Chromosome.

Evidence of Adam and Eve coexisting.
http://www.nature.com...


Basics: Becoming Human, Part 1: Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosome Adam
http://biologos.org...

Scriptural evidence for an evolving God

If you go by Genesis's timeline. God had not fully evolved so he was still a monkey more specifically Old World Monkey. This explains the early mistakes God made with creation, the talking serpent, the flood and his obsession with trees being arboreal. Tree of knowledge and tree of life were his favourites. Now you know why he was so upset when Adam and Eve messed with his favourite tree.

Somebody asked where does Jesus fall into this equation?

Scientists have discovered the God Gene which explains how faith is hardwired in our genes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So how did the God Gene get into the human genome?

Scriptures give us some clue as to how both Jesus and the God Gene falls into this equation.

Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

So what was Jesus's primary message to humans?

.?? Join this group.

Thanks, I didn't know where to go with that. Lol!!
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2/25/2017 8:26:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:
In the beginning Darwin wrote in The descent of man: "The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded.

Humans along with gorillas and chimpanzees are classified as the great apes. And since Adam was made in the image of God at the beginning of evolution. God and Adam looked like monkeys more specifically Old World Monkeys.

We all descended from a common female ancestor.

"In 1987, a group of genet"icists published a surprising study in the journal Nature." The" researchers examined the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) taken from 147 people across all of today's major racial groups. These researchers found that the lineage of all people alive today falls on one of two branches in humanity's family tree. One of these branches consists of nothing but African lineage, the other contains all other groups, including some African lineage.

Even more impressive, the geneticists concluded that every person on Earth right now can trace his or her lineage back to a single common female ancestor who lived around 200,000 years ago. Because one entire branch of human lineage is of African origin and the other contains African lineage as well, the study's authors concluded Africa is the place where this woman lived. The scientists named this common female ancestor Mitochondrial Eve."
Obviously it took an Adam to make that happen. For that there is the Y Chromosome.

Evidence of Adam and Eve coexisting.
http://www.nature.com...


Basics: Becoming Human, Part 1: Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosome Adam
http://biologos.org...

Scriptural evidence for an evolving God

If you go by Genesis's timeline. God had not fully evolved so he was still a monkey more specifically Old World Monkey. This explains the early mistakes God made with creation, the talking serpent, the flood and his obsession with trees being arboreal. Tree of knowledge and tree of life were his favourites. Now you know why he was so upset when Adam and Eve messed with his favourite tree.

Somebody asked where does Jesus fall into this equation?

Scientists have discovered the God Gene which explains how faith is hardwired in our genes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So how did the God Gene get into the human genome?

Scriptures give us some clue as to how both Jesus and the God Gene falls into this equation.

Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

So what was Jesus's primary message to humans?

.??

I think you are drawing a mighty long bow here.

The research (findings) of a single common ancestor 200,000 years ago does not relate at all to the origins of man but to a lineage.

That does not imply that there was a point of something happening at that time.

Our current species has been around for approximately one million years. Approximately, because there is no immediate change from one species to another, it is a painfully long transition.

You incorrectly took the "God gene" labelling and turned it into "faith is hardwired into our genes".

In fact, the article states merely that the gene was labelled so because it may be responsible for "one's openness to spiritual experiences".

Will theists stop at nothing to distort findings to justify mythological beliefs?

It is almost as absurd as explaining God's failures due to "His" early developmental stage as a monkey.

What the ????
Harikrish
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2/25/2017 4:03:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/25/2017 8:26:26 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:
In the beginning Darwin wrote in The descent of man: "The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded.

Humans along with gorillas and chimpanzees are classified as the great apes. And since Adam was made in the image of God at the beginning of evolution. God and Adam looked like monkeys more specifically Old World Monkeys.

We all descended from a common female ancestor.

"In 1987, a group of genet"icists published a surprising study in the journal Nature." The" researchers examined the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) taken from 147 people across all of today's major racial groups. These researchers found that the lineage of all people alive today falls on one of two branches in humanity's family tree. One of these branches consists of nothing but African lineage, the other contains all other groups, including some African lineage.

Even more impressive, the geneticists concluded that every person on Earth right now can trace his or her lineage back to a single common female ancestor who lived around 200,000 years ago. Because one entire branch of human lineage is of African origin and the other contains African lineage as well, the study's authors concluded Africa is the place where this woman lived. The scientists named this common female ancestor Mitochondrial Eve."
Obviously it took an Adam to make that happen. For that there is the Y Chromosome.

Evidence of Adam and Eve coexisting.
http://www.nature.com...


Basics: Becoming Human, Part 1: Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosome Adam
http://biologos.org...

Scriptural evidence for an evolving God

If you go by Genesis's timeline. God had not fully evolved so he was still a monkey more specifically Old World Monkey. This explains the early mistakes God made with creation, the talking serpent, the flood and his obsession with trees being arboreal. Tree of knowledge and tree of life were his favourites. Now you know why he was so upset when Adam and Eve messed with his favourite tree.

Somebody asked where does Jesus fall into this equation?

Scientists have discovered the God Gene which explains how faith is hardwired in our genes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So how did the God Gene get into the human genome?

Scriptures give us some clue as to how both Jesus and the God Gene falls into this equation.

Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

So what was Jesus's primary message to humans?

.??

I think you are drawing a mighty long bow here.

The research (findings) of a single common ancestor 200,000 years ago does not relate at all to the origins of man but to a lineage.

That does not imply that there was a point of something happening at that time.

Our current species has been around for approximately one million years. Approximately, because there is no immediate change from one species to another, it is a painfully long transition.

You incorrectly took the "God gene" labelling and turned it into "faith is hardwired into our genes".

In fact, the article states merely that the gene was labelled so because it may be responsible for "one's openness to spiritual experiences".

The article goes beyond that. Unfortunately the God Gene project was conducted by students. It was done to create an interest in Genetics.
But the genie us out of the bottle.

" One of the most attention-grabbing efforts to link spirituality and genetics was put forth by geneticist Dean Hamer in his 2004 book, The God Gene: How Faith Is Hardwired into Our Genes. According to Hamer"s hypothesis, spirituality is a "biological mechanism" that is imprinted on our DNA. "We have a genetic predisposition for spiritual belief that is expressed in response to, and shaped by, personal experience and the cultural environment," writes Hamer, who years earlier claimed to find the genetic basis of male homosexuality. Although other scientists have put forth this idea in the past, Hamer became the first to identify the gene where God may reside"VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."

Will theists stop at nothing to distort findings to justify mythological beliefs?

Welcome to Where Science and Faith converge"

It is almost as absurd as explaining God's failures due to "His" early developmental stage as a monkey.

We see evolution as the process behind creation. Darwin merely stated the obvious. Why would God exclude himself from this process? The scriptures are full of examples of
forgiveness and learn as you grow. God embodies that evolving process.

What the ????

Our studies in the burgeoning field of neurotheology rely on cutting-edge technology to make connections between religion, genes and the brain. Andrew Newberg, a neuroscientist and author of the 2001 book Why God Won"t Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief, uses advanced scanning technology to capture images of the brain during spiritual states. "There are lots of parts of the brain that we have observed that appear to become involved when people engage in spiritual practices," says Newberg. "If it"s a very emotional experience, then an emotional part of the brain is involved. If it"s an experience where they lose the sense of self, then areas of the brain that deal with the sense of self are involved."

Thank you for your comments. Now go get your DNA checked for the missing VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."
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2/26/2017 12:23:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/25/2017 4:03:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/25/2017 8:26:26 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:


The article goes beyond that. Unfortunately the God Gene project was conducted by students. It was done to create an interest in Genetics.
But the genie us out of the bottle.

" One of the most attention-grabbing efforts to link spirituality and genetics was put forth by geneticist Dean Hamer in his 2004 book, The God Gene: How Faith Is Hardwired into Our Genes. According to Hamer"s hypothesis, spirituality is a "biological mechanism" that is imprinted on our DNA. "We have a genetic predisposition for spiritual belief that is expressed in response to, and shaped by, personal experience and the cultural environment," writes Hamer, who years earlier claimed to find the genetic basis of male homosexuality. Although other scientists have put forth this idea in the past, Hamer became the first to identify the gene where God may reside"VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."

Will theists stop at nothing to distort findings to justify mythological beliefs?

Welcome to Where Science and Faith converge"

It is almost as absurd as explaining God's failures due to "His" early developmental stage as a monkey.

We see evolution as the process behind creation. Darwin merely stated the obvious. Why would God exclude himself from this process? The scriptures are full of examples of
forgiveness and learn as you grow. God embodies that evolving process.

What the ????

Our studies in the burgeoning field of neurotheology rely on cutting-edge technology to make connections between religion, genes and the brain. Andrew Newberg, a neuroscientist and author of the 2001 book Why God Won"t Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief, uses advanced scanning technology to capture images of the brain during spiritual states. "There are lots of parts of the brain that we have observed that appear to become involved when people engage in spiritual practices," says Newberg. "If it"s a very emotional experience, then an emotional part of the brain is involved. If it"s an experience where they lose the sense of self, then areas of the brain that deal with the sense of self are involved."

Thank you for your comments. Now go get your DNA checked for the missing VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."

If that's the case, I have a missing gene, and guess which one it is?

Even Hamer did not say that the gene has anything remotely spiritual about it and calling it a god gene does not infer such.

Give a theist any slightest hint that some bit of science has any slight connotation of spirituality and off they go.....whoopdee doo!,..... evidence of God.
What a load of utter crap.

Science and spiritualism will never converge except in the minds of ever futilely hopeful, deluded religious nuts.
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2/26/2017 3:47:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/26/2017 12:23:56 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/25/2017 4:03:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/25/2017 8:26:26 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:


The article goes beyond that. Unfortunately the God Gene project was conducted by students. It was done to create an interest in Genetics.
But the genie us out of the bottle.

" One of the most attention-grabbing efforts to link spirituality and genetics was put forth by geneticist Dean Hamer in his 2004 book, The God Gene: How Faith Is Hardwired into Our Genes. According to Hamer"s hypothesis, spirituality is a "biological mechanism" that is imprinted on our DNA. "We have a genetic predisposition for spiritual belief that is expressed in response to, and shaped by, personal experience and the cultural environment," writes Hamer, who years earlier claimed to find the genetic basis of male homosexuality. Although other scientists have put forth this idea in the past, Hamer became the first to identify the gene where God may reside"VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."

Will theists stop at nothing to distort findings to justify mythological beliefs?

Welcome to Where Science and Faith converge"

It is almost as absurd as explaining God's failures due to "His" early developmental stage as a monkey.

We see evolution as the process behind creation. Darwin merely stated the obvious. Why would God exclude himself from this process? The scriptures are full of examples of
forgiveness and learn as you grow. God embodies that evolving process.

What the ????

Our studies in the burgeoning field of neurotheology rely on cutting-edge technology to make connections between religion, genes and the brain. Andrew Newberg, a neuroscientist and author of the 2001 book Why God Won"t Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief, uses advanced scanning technology to capture images of the brain during spiritual states. "There are lots of parts of the brain that we have observed that appear to become involved when people engage in spiritual practices," says Newberg. "If it"s a very emotional experience, then an emotional part of the brain is involved. If it"s an experience where they lose the sense of self, then areas of the brain that deal with the sense of self are involved."

Thank you for your comments. Now go get your DNA checked for the missing VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."

If that's the case, I have a missing gene, and guess which one it is?

Even Hamer did not say that the gene has anything remotely spiritual about it and calling it a god gene does not infer such.

Give a theist any slightest hint that some bit of science has any slight connotation of spirituality and off they go.....whoopdee doo!,..... evidence of God.
What a load of utter crap.

Science and spiritualism will never converge except in the minds of ever futilely hopeful, deluded religious nuts.

You obviously have a damaged God's Gene. People with defective genes are not unusual. That is why you are leaning more monkey than Christian. Lol!!
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2/26/2017 11:02:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Do atheists have a regressive God Gene?

"A genetic link to spirituality will come as no surprise to students of evolutionary psychology. Biologists Edward O. Wilson and Richard Dawkins are just two of many prominent scientists who have proposed innate religious behaviors.

Wilson writes: "The predisposition to religious belief is the most complex and powerful force in the human mind and in all probability an ineradicable part of human nature." And there are ample reasons, he notes, why natural selection might have favored such tendencies.

For example, stratified and cohesive societies tend to fare best in a conflict with their neighbors, says Wilson, and religion provides both hierarchy and cohesion. But Wilson"s supposition assumes that natural selection can favor groups as well as individuals. Not all biologists believe group selection plays a significant role in evolution.

Richard Dawkins has suggested (admittedly without proof) that what has been favored by natural selection is infant credulity. The child who innately respects parental authority ("Don"t go in the water, or the crocodiles will eat you.") is most likely to survive and to reproduce. An inborn credulity trait, if it exists, might then be exploited by priests, shamans or tribal elders as a way of gaining power or strengthening the cohesiveness of the group, says Dawkins.

If such evolutionary biologists as Wilson and Dawkins are right, spirituality is beneficial to our physical and mental health, which is why "God genes" may have been selected by evolution. Up to now, however, these biologists have been theorizing in the dark. It is Hamer"s contribution to provide the first concrete link between a specific gene and religious behavior.

And what if it"s true? What should be our response to the discovery that the behavioral basis of faith is hardwired into our DNA?

Some believers will reasonably suppose that if God wanted us to acknowledge his existence, he might logically provide us with an innate predisposition to belief. (Although one might wonder why he would provide the C-version of the VMAT2 gene to some of us and not to others.)"
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2/27/2017 9:35:27 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/26/2017 3:47:18 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/26/2017 12:23:56 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/25/2017 4:03:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/25/2017 8:26:26 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:


The article goes beyond that. Unfortunately the God Gene project was conducted by students. It was done to create an interest in Genetics.
But the genie us out of the bottle.

" One of the most attention-grabbing efforts to link spirituality and genetics was put forth by geneticist Dean Hamer in his 2004 book, The God Gene: How Faith Is Hardwired into Our Genes. According to Hamer"s hypothesis, spirituality is a "biological mechanism" that is imprinted on our DNA. "We have a genetic predisposition for spiritual belief that is expressed in response to, and shaped by, personal experience and the cultural environment," writes Hamer, who years earlier claimed to find the genetic basis of male homosexuality. Although other scientists have put forth this idea in the past, Hamer became the first to identify the gene where God may reside"VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."

Will theists stop at nothing to distort findings to justify mythological beliefs?

Welcome to Where Science and Faith converge"

It is almost as absurd as explaining God's failures due to "His" early developmental stage as a monkey.

We see evolution as the process behind creation. Darwin merely stated the obvious. Why would God exclude himself from this process? The scriptures are full of examples of
forgiveness and learn as you grow. God embodies that evolving process.

What the ????

Our studies in the burgeoning field of neurotheology rely on cutting-edge technology to make connections between religion, genes and the brain. Andrew Newberg, a neuroscientist and author of the 2001 book Why God Won"t Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief, uses advanced scanning technology to capture images of the brain during spiritual states. "There are lots of parts of the brain that we have observed that appear to become involved when people engage in spiritual practices," says Newberg. "If it"s a very emotional experience, then an emotional part of the brain is involved. If it"s an experience where they lose the sense of self, then areas of the brain that deal with the sense of self are involved."

Thank you for your comments. Now go get your DNA checked for the missing VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."

If that's the case, I have a missing gene, and guess which one it is?

Even Hamer did not say that the gene has anything remotely spiritual about it and calling it a god gene does not infer such.

Give a theist any slightest hint that some bit of science has any slight connotation of spirituality and off they go.....whoopdee doo!,..... evidence of God.
What a load of utter crap.

Science and spiritualism will never converge except in the minds of ever futilely hopeful, deluded religious nuts.

You obviously have a damaged God's Gene. People with defective genes are not unusual. That is why you are leaning more monkey than Christian. Lol!!

How would you like to comment on what I discovered, that being, Hamer claimed nowhere in his work that the "God gene" has anything to do with God whatsoever, apart from the name?
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2/27/2017 1:19:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2017 9:35:27 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/26/2017 3:47:18 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/26/2017 12:23:56 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/25/2017 4:03:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/25/2017 8:26:26 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:


The article goes beyond that. Unfortunately the God Gene project was conducted by students. It was done to create an interest in Genetics.
But the genie us out of the bottle.

" One of the most attention-grabbing efforts to link spirituality and genetics was put forth by geneticist Dean Hamer in his 2004 book, The God Gene: How Faith Is Hardwired into Our Genes. According to Hamer"s hypothesis, spirituality is a "biological mechanism" that is imprinted on our DNA. "We have a genetic predisposition for spiritual belief that is expressed in response to, and shaped by, personal experience and the cultural environment," writes Hamer, who years earlier claimed to find the genetic basis of male homosexuality. Although other scientists have put forth this idea in the past, Hamer became the first to identify the gene where God may reside"VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."

Will theists stop at nothing to distort findings to justify mythological beliefs?

Welcome to Where Science and Faith converge"

It is almost as absurd as explaining God's failures due to "His" early developmental stage as a monkey.

We see evolution as the process behind creation. Darwin merely stated the obvious. Why would God exclude himself from this process? The scriptures are full of examples of
forgiveness and learn as you grow. God embodies that evolving process.

What the ????

Our studies in the burgeoning field of neurotheology rely on cutting-edge technology to make connections between religion, genes and the brain. Andrew Newberg, a neuroscientist and author of the 2001 book Why God Won"t Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief, uses advanced scanning technology to capture images of the brain during spiritual states. "There are lots of parts of the brain that we have observed that appear to become involved when people engage in spiritual practices," says Newberg. "If it"s a very emotional experience, then an emotional part of the brain is involved. If it"s an experience where they lose the sense of self, then areas of the brain that deal with the sense of self are involved."

Thank you for your comments. Now go get your DNA checked for the missing VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."

If that's the case, I have a missing gene, and guess which one it is?

Even Hamer did not say that the gene has anything remotely spiritual about it and calling it a god gene does not infer such.

Give a theist any slightest hint that some bit of science has any slight connotation of spirituality and off they go.....whoopdee doo!,..... evidence of God.
What a load of utter crap.

Science and spiritualism will never converge except in the minds of ever futilely hopeful, deluded religious nuts.

You obviously have a damaged God's Gene. People with defective genes are not unusual. That is why you are leaning more monkey than Christian. Lol!!

How would you like to comment on what I discovered, that being, Hamer claimed nowhere in his work that the "God gene" has anything to do with God whatsoever, apart from the name?

You should get help with your reading.

"In his book, Hamer contends that one's predisposition toward spirituality is influenced by genetic factors. More controversially, he proposes that the VMAT2 gene is one of many potential genes that impinge on spirituality. Hamer identifies one particular variation, a change from an A to a C, present in 28% of the alleles in his data set, as a marker for the more "spiritual" version of this gene. "

Hamer names and identifies the gene VMAT2 that predisposed humans towards.spirituality.
Dean Hamer's book, The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired into Our Genes, details a recent example of a purported link between a particular gene and human behavior (Hamer, 2004 ).The book was covered heavily by the popular press, including an article in Time magazine.

You obviously have a damaged God's Gene. People with defective genes are not unusual. That is why you are leaning more monkey than Christian. Lol!!
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2/27/2017 2:28:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2017 1:19:33 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/27/2017 9:35:27 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/26/2017 3:47:18 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/26/2017 12:23:56 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/25/2017 4:03:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/25/2017 8:26:26 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:


The article goes beyond that. Unfortunately the God Gene project was conducted by students. It was done to create an interest in Genetics.
But the genie us out of the bottle.

" One of the most attention-grabbing efforts to link spirituality and genetics was put forth by geneticist Dean Hamer in his 2004 book, The God Gene: How Faith Is Hardwired into Our Genes. According to Hamer"s hypothesis, spirituality is a "biological mechanism" that is imprinted on our DNA. "We have a genetic predisposition for spiritual belief that is expressed in response to, and shaped by, personal experience and the cultural environment," writes Hamer, who years earlier claimed to find the genetic basis of male homosexuality. Although other scientists have put forth this idea in the past, Hamer became the first to identify the gene where God may reside"VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."

Will theists stop at nothing to distort findings to justify mythological beliefs?

Welcome to Where Science and Faith converge"

It is almost as absurd as explaining God's failures due to "His" early developmental stage as a monkey.

We see evolution as the process behind creation. Darwin merely stated the obvious. Why would God exclude himself from this process? The scriptures are full of examples of
forgiveness and learn as you grow. God embodies that evolving process.

What the ????

Our studies in the burgeoning field of neurotheology rely on cutting-edge technology to make connections between religion, genes and the brain. Andrew Newberg, a neuroscientist and author of the 2001 book Why God Won"t Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief, uses advanced scanning technology to capture images of the brain during spiritual states. "There are lots of parts of the brain that we have observed that appear to become involved when people engage in spiritual practices," says Newberg. "If it"s a very emotional experience, then an emotional part of the brain is involved. If it"s an experience where they lose the sense of self, then areas of the brain that deal with the sense of self are involved."

Thank you for your comments. Now go get your DNA checked for the missing VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."

If that's the case, I have a missing gene, and guess which one it is?

Even Hamer did not say that the gene has anything remotely spiritual about it and calling it a god gene does not infer such.

Give a theist any slightest hint that some bit of science has any slight connotation of spirituality and off they go.....whoopdee doo!,..... evidence of God.
What a load of utter crap.

Science and spiritualism will never converge except in the minds of ever futilely hopeful, deluded religious nuts.

You obviously have a damaged God's Gene. People with defective genes are not unusual. That is why you are leaning more monkey than Christian. Lol!!

How would you like to comment on what I discovered, that being, Hamer claimed nowhere in his work that the "God gene" has anything to do with God whatsoever, apart from the name?

You should get help with your reading.

"In his book, Hamer contends that one's predisposition toward spirituality is influenced by genetic factors. More controversially, he proposes that the VMAT2 gene is one of many potential genes that impinge on spirituality. Hamer identifies one particular variation, a change from an A to a C, present in 28% of the alleles in his data set, as a marker for the more "spiritual" version of this gene. "

Hamer names and identifies the gene VMAT2 that predisposed humans towards.spirituality.
Dean Hamer's book, The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired into Our Genes, details a recent example of a purported link between a particular gene and human behavior (Hamer, 2004 ).The book was covered heavily by the popular press, including an article in Time magazine.

You obviously have a damaged God's Gene. People with defective genes are not unusual. That is why you are leaning more monkey than Christian. Lol!!
You misread my meaning.
A predisposition towards something does not make that something true.
Also, a "predisposition" is so broad a term, it could mean anything apart from there being many factors other than a gene that would make someone be spiritual.

Nevertheless, if you are so hellbent on attributing this gene towards anything more than a predisposition, go ahead. But I think that a more apt title should be the "delusion gene".
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2/27/2017 2:42:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2017 2:28:33 PM, Willows wrote:
At 2/27/2017 1:19:33 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/27/2017 9:35:27 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/26/2017 3:47:18 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/26/2017 12:23:56 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/25/2017 4:03:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/25/2017 8:26:26 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:


The article goes beyond that. Unfortunately the God Gene project was conducted by students. It was done to create an interest in Genetics.
But the genie us out of the bottle.

" One of the most attention-grabbing efforts to link spirituality and genetics was put forth by geneticist Dean Hamer in his 2004 book, The God Gene: How Faith Is Hardwired into Our Genes. According to Hamer"s hypothesis, spirituality is a "biological mechanism" that is imprinted on our DNA. "We have a genetic predisposition for spiritual belief that is expressed in response to, and shaped by, personal experience and the cultural environment," writes Hamer, who years earlier claimed to find the genetic basis of male homosexuality. Although other scientists have put forth this idea in the past, Hamer became the first to identify the gene where God may reside"VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."

Will theists stop at nothing to distort findings to justify mythological beliefs?

Welcome to Where Science and Faith converge"

It is almost as absurd as explaining God's failures due to "His" early developmental stage as a monkey.

We see evolution as the process behind creation. Darwin merely stated the obvious. Why would God exclude himself from this process? The scriptures are full of examples of
forgiveness and learn as you grow. God embodies that evolving process.

What the ????

Our studies in the burgeoning field of neurotheology rely on cutting-edge technology to make connections between religion, genes and the brain. Andrew Newberg, a neuroscientist and author of the 2001 book Why God Won"t Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief, uses advanced scanning technology to capture images of the brain during spiritual states. "There are lots of parts of the brain that we have observed that appear to become involved when people engage in spiritual practices," says Newberg. "If it"s a very emotional experience, then an emotional part of the brain is involved. If it"s an experience where they lose the sense of self, then areas of the brain that deal with the sense of self are involved."

Thank you for your comments. Now go get your DNA checked for the missing VMAT2, an acronym for vesicular monoamine transporter 2."

If that's the case, I have a missing gene, and guess which one it is?

Even Hamer did not say that the gene has anything remotely spiritual about it and calling it a god gene does not infer such.

Give a theist any slightest hint that some bit of science has any slight connotation of spirituality and off they go.....whoopdee doo!,..... evidence of God.
What a load of utter crap.

Science and spiritualism will never converge except in the minds of ever futilely hopeful, deluded religious nuts.

You obviously have a damaged God's Gene. People with defective genes are not unusual. That is why you are leaning more monkey than Christian. Lol!!

How would you like to comment on what I discovered, that being, Hamer claimed nowhere in his work that the "God gene" has anything to do with God whatsoever, apart from the name?

You should get help with your reading.

"In his book, Hamer contends that one's predisposition toward spirituality is influenced by genetic factors. More controversially, he proposes that the VMAT2 gene is one of many potential genes that impinge on spirituality. Hamer identifies one particular variation, a change from an A to a C, present in 28% of the alleles in his data set, as a marker for the more "spiritual" version of this gene. "

Hamer names and identifies the gene VMAT2 that predisposed humans towards.spirituality.
Dean Hamer's book, The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired into Our Genes, details a recent example of a purported link between a particular gene and human behavior (Hamer, 2004 ).The book was covered heavily by the popular press, including an article in Time magazine.

You obviously have a damaged God's Gene. People with defective genes are not unusual. That is why you are leaning more monkey than Christian. Lol!!
You misread my meaning.
A predisposition towards something does not make that something true.
Also, a "predisposition" is so broad a term, it could mean anything apart from there being many factors other than a gene that would make someone be spiritual.

Nevertheless, if you are so hellbent on attributing this gene towards anything more than a predisposition, go ahead. But I think that a more apt title should be the "delusion gene".

The truth is the presence of the God Gene that has been identified and called VMAT2. Hamer found a link between the God Gene (VMAT2) and human behavior (Hamer, 2004) .
I explained how the God Gene entered into the human genome and the influence it has on human behaviour proving spirituality is influenced by genetic factors.
Science and faith has converged. The discovery of the God Gene proves Faith Is Hardwired into Our Genes.
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2/27/2017 6:11:15 PM
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We know that early man could not read, write or speak. He did not know how to use tools and by modern standards would have been called an "idiot, cretin, imbecile, retard, moron" etc. Evolution has played an important role in helping man develop intelligence by developing in man a bigger brain.

Scriptures tell us God had a lot to do with evolution. He made sure man would not remain an idiot forever but would continue to evolve over time and many generations.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and live forever.
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2/28/2017 6:41:57 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2017 2:42:45 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/27/2017 2:28:33 PM, Willows wrote:


The truth is the presence of the God Gene that has been identified and called VMAT2. Hamer found a link between the God Gene (VMAT2) and human behavior (Hamer, 2004) .
I explained how the God Gene entered into the human genome and the influence it has on human behaviour proving spirituality is influenced by genetic factors.
Science and faith has converged. The discovery of the God Gene proves Faith Is Hardwired into Our Genes.

That is your twisted view, anything to jump on the science bandwagon to make it look as if religion, (God, faith, or whatever you want to call such idiocy) has some sort of credibility.

But then I should wait with bated breath shouldn't I because I am sure you will now inform the whole world that some imaginary friend from way out beyond the borders of the universe knocked that gene up in his workshop, then stuffed it into his clay model just before he dropped it on earth to become a human.
Have I guessed right?
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2/28/2017 6:53:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/25/2017 8:26:26 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:
In the beginning Darwin wrote in The descent of man: "The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded.

Humans along with gorillas and chimpanzees are classified as the great apes. And since Adam was made in the image of God at the beginning of evolution. God and Adam looked like monkeys more specifically Old World Monkeys.

We all descended from a common female ancestor.

"In 1987, a group of genet"icists published a surprising study in the journal Nature." The" researchers examined the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) taken from 147 people across all of today's major racial groups. These researchers found that the lineage of all people alive today falls on one of two branches in humanity's family tree. One of these branches consists of nothing but African lineage, the other contains all other groups, including some African lineage.

Even more impressive, the geneticists concluded that every person on Earth right now can trace his or her lineage back to a single common female ancestor who lived around 200,000 years ago. Because one entire branch of human lineage is of African origin and the other contains African lineage as well, the study's authors concluded Africa is the place where this woman lived. The scientists named this common female ancestor Mitochondrial Eve."
Obviously it took an Adam to make that happen. For that there is the Y Chromosome.

Evidence of Adam and Eve coexisting.
http://www.nature.com...


Basics: Becoming Human, Part 1: Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosome Adam
http://biologos.org...

Scriptural evidence for an evolving God

If you go by Genesis's timeline. God had not fully evolved so he was still a monkey more specifically Old World Monkey. This explains the early mistakes God made with creation, the talking serpent, the flood and his obsession with trees being arboreal. Tree of knowledge and tree of life were his favourites. Now you know why he was so upset when Adam and Eve messed with his favourite tree.

Somebody asked where does Jesus fall into this equation?

Scientists have discovered the God Gene which explains how faith is hardwired in our genes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So how did the God Gene get into the human genome?

Scriptures give us some clue as to how both Jesus and the God Gene falls into this equation.

Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

So what was Jesus's primary message to humans?

.??

I think you are drawing a mighty long bow here.

The research (findings) of a single common ancestor 200,000 years ago does not relate at all to the origins of man but to a lineage.

That does not imply that there was a point of something happening at that time.

Our current species has been around for approximately one million years. Approximately, because there is no immediate change from one species to another, it is a painfully long transition.

You incorrectly took the "God gene" labelling and turned it into "faith is hardwired into our genes".

In fact, the article states merely that the gene was labelled so because it may be responsible for "one's openness to spiritual experiences".

Will theists stop at nothing to distort findings to justify mythological beliefs?

It is almost as absurd as explaining God's failures due to "His" early developmental stage as a monkey.

What the ????
I'm with you. Especially since you're definitely closer to an ape than an intelligent logical human being. Have a banana.....lol
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2/28/2017 6:53:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:
In the beginning Darwin wrote in The descent of man: "The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded.

Humans along with gorillas and chimpanzees are classified as the great apes. And since Adam was made in the image of God at the beginning of evolution. God and Adam looked like monkeys more specifically Old World Monkeys.

We all descended from a common female ancestor.

"In 1987, a group of genet"icists published a surprising study in the journal Nature." The" researchers examined the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) taken from 147 people across all of today's major racial groups. These researchers found that the lineage of all people alive today falls on one of two branches in humanity's family tree. One of these branches consists of nothing but African lineage, the other contains all other groups, including some African lineage.

Even more impressive, the geneticists concluded that every person on Earth right now can trace his or her lineage back to a single common female ancestor who lived around 200,000 years ago. Because one entire branch of human lineage is of African origin and the other contains African lineage as well, the study's authors concluded Africa is the place where this woman lived. The scientists named this common female ancestor Mitochondrial Eve."
Obviously it took an Adam to make that happen. For that there is the Y Chromosome.

Evidence of Adam and Eve coexisting.
http://www.nature.com...


Basics: Becoming Human, Part 1: Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosome Adam
http://biologos.org...

Scriptural evidence for an evolving God

If you go by Genesis's timeline. God had not fully evolved so he was still a monkey more specifically Old World Monkey. This explains the early mistakes God made with creation, the talking serpent, the flood and his obsession with trees being arboreal. Tree of knowledge and tree of life were his favourites. Now you know why he was so upset when Adam and Eve messed with his favourite tree.

Somebody asked where does Jesus fall into this equation?

Scientists have discovered the God Gene which explains how faith is hardwired in our genes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So how did the God Gene get into the human genome?

Scriptures give us some clue as to how both Jesus and the God Gene falls into this equation.

Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

So what was Jesus's primary message to humans?

Your god and you are an ape....agreed.
this site is dead. It doesn't even correctly post replies..
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2/28/2017 8:24:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2017 6:11:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
We know that early man could not read, write or speak. He did not know how to use tools and by modern standards would have been called an "idiot, cretin, imbecile, retard, moron" etc. Evolution has played an important role in helping man develop intelligence by developing in man a bigger brain.

Scriptures tell us God had a lot to do with evolution. He made sure man would not remain an idiot forever but would continue to evolve over time and many generations.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and live forever.
And evolution is eliminating this spurious god gene as evidenced by the rapid growth of the number of people with no religious belief.
Evolution is great ain't it?
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2/28/2017 2:07:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2017 6:41:57 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/27/2017 2:42:45 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/27/2017 2:28:33 PM, Willows wrote:


The truth is the presence of the God Gene that has been identified and called VMAT2. Hamer found a link between the God Gene (VMAT2) and human behavior (Hamer, 2004) .
I explained how the God Gene entered into the human genome and the influence it has on human behaviour proving spirituality is influenced by genetic factors.
Science and faith has converged. The discovery of the God Gene proves Faith Is Hardwired into Our Genes.

That is your twisted view, anything to jump on the science bandwagon to make it look as if religion, (God, faith, or whatever you want to call such idiocy) has some sort of credibility.

But then I should wait with bated breath shouldn't I because I am sure you will now inform the whole world that some imaginary friend from way out beyond the borders of the universe knocked that gene up in his workshop, then stuffed it into his clay model just before he dropped it on earth to become a human.
Have I guessed right?

You don't have to wait with bated breath. If you had read my OP you would have been comforted scriptures has provided science valuable clues.

How did the God Gene enter into the human genome?

Scriptures give us some clue as to how both Jesus and the God Gene falls into this equation.

Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.
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2/28/2017 2:22:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2017 6:53:52 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:
In the beginning Darwin wrote in The descent of man: "The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded.

Humans along with gorillas and chimpanzees are classified as the great apes. And since Adam was made in the image of God at the beginning of evolution. God and Adam looked like monkeys more specifically Old World Monkeys.

We all descended from a common female ancestor.

"In 1987, a group of genet"icists published a surprising study in the journal Nature." The" researchers examined the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) taken from 147 people across all of today's major racial groups. These researchers found that the lineage of all people alive today falls on one of two branches in humanity's family tree. One of these branches consists of nothing but African lineage, the other contains all other groups, including some African lineage.

Even more impressive, the geneticists concluded that every person on Earth right now can trace his or her lineage back to a single common female ancestor who lived around 200,000 years ago. Because one entire branch of human lineage is of African origin and the other contains African lineage as well, the study's authors concluded Africa is the place where this woman lived. The scientists named this common female ancestor Mitochondrial Eve."
Obviously it took an Adam to make that happen. For that there is the Y Chromosome.

Evidence of Adam and Eve coexisting.
http://www.nature.com...


Basics: Becoming Human, Part 1: Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosome Adam
http://biologos.org...

Scriptural evidence for an evolving God

If you go by Genesis's timeline. God had not fully evolved so he was still a monkey more specifically Old World Monkey. This explains the early mistakes God made with creation, the talking serpent, the flood and his obsession with trees being arboreal. Tree of knowledge and tree of life were his favourites. Now you know why he was so upset when Adam and Eve messed with his favourite tree.

Somebody asked where does Jesus fall into this equation?

Scientists have discovered the God Gene which explains how faith is hardwired in our genes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So how did the God Gene get into the human genome?

Scriptures give us some clue as to how both Jesus and the God Gene falls into this equation.

Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

So what was Jesus's primary message to humans?

Your god and you are an ape....agreed.

Is that how your monkey ancestors understood his message?
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2/28/2017 2:28:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2017 2:07:35 PM, Harikrish

And evolution is eliminating this spurious god gene as evidenced by the rapid growth of the number of people with no religious belief.
Evolution is great ain't it?
As the hindu fats you must be ecstatic.
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2/28/2017 2:30:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2017 8:24:52 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/27/2017 6:11:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
We know that early man could not read, write or speak. He did not know how to use tools and by modern standards would have been called an "idiot, cretin, imbecile, retard, moron" etc. Evolution has played an important role in helping man develop intelligence by developing in man a bigger brain.

Scriptures tell us God had a lot to do with evolution. He made sure man would not remain an idiot forever but would continue to evolve over time and many generations.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and live forever.
And evolution is eliminating this spurious god gene as evidenced by the rapid growth of the number of people with no religious belief.
Evolution is great ain't it?

But that is not necessarily a good thing. It is also causing a decline in human intelligence.

Eugenicist Study: Human Intelligence on Decline Due to Genetic Mutation

Dr. Gerald Crabtree published a study entitled, "Our Fragile Intellect" wherein the Stanford eugenicist concluded that human intelligence is on a downward spiral. Genetic alterations, according to Crabtree, have led to an obvious decline in our species intellectual capabilities.

Crabtree states: "New developments in genetics, anthropology and neurobiology predict that a very large number of genes underlie our intellectual and emotional abilities, making these abilities genetically surprisingly fragile. Analysis of human mutation rates and the number of genes required for human intellectual and emotional fitness indicates that we are almost certainly losing these abilities."

It is asserted that modern man cannot mentally cope with stress conditions that our genetic ancestors would have been able to handle."

You don't feel it because you are among your peers on DDO and their declining intelligence is synchronized with yours.
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2/28/2017 2:33:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2017 2:30:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/28/2017 8:24:52 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/27/2017 6:11:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
We know that early man could not read, write or speak. He did not know how to use tools and by modern standards would have been called an "idiot, cretin, imbecile, retard, moron" etc. Evolution has played an important role in helping man develop intelligence by developing in man a bigger brain.

Scriptures tell us God had a lot to do with evolution. He made sure man would not remain an idiot forever but would continue to evolve over time and many generations.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and live forever.
And evolution is eliminating this spurious god gene as evidenced by the rapid growth of the number of people with no religious belief.
Evolution is great ain't it?

But that is not necessarily a good thing. It is also causing a decline in human intelligence.

Eugenicist Study: Human Intelligence on Decline Due to Genetic Mutation

Dr. Gerald Crabtree published a study entitled, "Our Fragile Intellect" wherein the Stanford eugenicist concluded that human intelligence is on a downward spiral. Genetic alterations, according to Crabtree, have led to an obvious decline in our species intellectual capabilities.

Crabtree states: "New developments in genetics, anthropology and neurobiology predict that a very large number of genes underlie our intellectual and emotional abilities, making these abilities genetically surprisingly fragile. Analysis of human mutation rates and the number of genes required for human intellectual and emotional fitness indicates that we are almost certainly losing these abilities."

It is asserted that modern man cannot mentally cope with stress conditions that our genetic ancestors would have been able to handle."

You don't feel it because you are among your peers on DDO and their declining intelligence is synchronized with yours.
You just keep makin' shiit up, your god gene is being eliminated by evolution, because we n longer need it.
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2/28/2017 2:33:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2017 2:28:40 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/28/2017 2:07:35 PM, Harikrish

And evolution is eliminating this spurious god gene as evidenced by the rapid growth of the number of people with no religious belief.
Evolution is great ain't it?
As the hindu fats you must be ecstatic.

That was not my post or comment. Please correct it.
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2/28/2017 2:39:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2017 2:33:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/28/2017 2:30:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/28/2017 8:24:52 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/27/2017 6:11:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
We know that early man could not read, write or speak. He did not know how to use tools and by modern standards would have been called an "idiot, cretin, imbecile, retard, moron" etc. Evolution has played an important role in helping man develop intelligence by developing in man a bigger brain.

Scriptures tell us God had a lot to do with evolution. He made sure man would not remain an idiot forever but would continue to evolve over time and many generations.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and live forever.
And evolution is eliminating this spurious god gene as evidenced by the rapid growth of the number of people with no religious belief.
Evolution is great ain't it?

But that is not necessarily a good thing. It is also causing a decline in human intelligence.

Eugenicist Study: Human Intelligence on Decline Due to Genetic Mutation

Dr. Gerald Crabtree published a study entitled, "Our Fragile Intellect" wherein the Stanford eugenicist concluded that human intelligence is on a downward spiral. Genetic alterations, according to Crabtree, have led to an obvious decline in our species intellectual capabilities.

Crabtree states: "New developments in genetics, anthropology and neurobiology predict that a very large number of genes underlie our intellectual and emotional abilities, making these abilities genetically surprisingly fragile. Analysis of human mutation rates and the number of genes required for human intellectual and emotional fitness indicates that we are almost certainly losing these abilities."

It is asserted that modern man cannot mentally cope with stress conditions that our genetic ancestors would have been able to handle."

You don't feel it because you are among your peers on DDO and their declining intelligence is synchronized with yours.
You just keep makin' shiit up, your god gene is being eliminated by evolution, because we n longer need it.

I have presenting my case backed by science and scriptures.

Science and Faith converge.
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2/28/2017 2:42:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2017 2:39:02 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/28/2017 2:33:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/28/2017 2:30:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/28/2017 8:24:52 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/27/2017 6:11:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
We know that early man could not read, write or speak. He did not know how to use tools and by modern standards would have been called an "idiot, cretin, imbecile, retard, moron" etc. Evolution has played an important role in helping man develop intelligence by developing in man a bigger brain.

Scriptures tell us God had a lot to do with evolution. He made sure man would not remain an idiot forever but would continue to evolve over time and many generations.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and live forever.
And evolution is eliminating this spurious god gene as evidenced by the rapid growth of the number of people with no religious belief.
Evolution is great ain't it?

But that is not necessarily a good thing. It is also causing a decline in human intelligence.

Eugenicist Study: Human Intelligence on Decline Due to Genetic Mutation

Dr. Gerald Crabtree published a study entitled, "Our Fragile Intellect" wherein the Stanford eugenicist concluded that human intelligence is on a downward spiral. Genetic alterations, according to Crabtree, have led to an obvious decline in our species intellectual capabilities.

Crabtree states: "New developments in genetics, anthropology and neurobiology predict that a very large number of genes underlie our intellectual and emotional abilities, making these abilities genetically surprisingly fragile. Analysis of human mutation rates and the number of genes required for human intellectual and emotional fitness indicates that we are almost certainly losing these abilities."

It is asserted that modern man cannot mentally cope with stress conditions that our genetic ancestors would have been able to handle."

You don't feel it because you are among your peers on DDO and their declining intelligence is synchronized with yours.
You just keep makin' shiit up, your god gene is being eliminated by evolution, because we n longer need it.

I have presenting my case backed by science and scriptures.

Science and Faith converge.
P:resenting your shiit is as meaningless as all of your posts.
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2/28/2017 4:00:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2017 2:42:33 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/28/2017 2:39:02 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/28/2017 2:33:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/28/2017 2:30:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/28/2017 8:24:52 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/27/2017 6:11:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
We know that early man could not read, write or speak. He did not know how to use tools and by modern standards would have been called an "idiot, cretin, imbecile, retard, moron" etc. Evolution has played an important role in helping man develop intelligence by developing in man a bigger brain.

Scriptures tell us God had a lot to do with evolution. He made sure man would not remain an idiot forever but would continue to evolve over time and many generations.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and live forever.
And evolution is eliminating this spurious god gene as evidenced by the rapid growth of the number of people with no religious belief.
Evolution is great ain't it?

But that is not necessarily a good thing. It is also causing a decline in human intelligence.

Eugenicist Study: Human Intelligence on Decline Due to Genetic Mutation

Dr. Gerald Crabtree published a study entitled, "Our Fragile Intellect" wherein the Stanford eugenicist concluded that human intelligence is on a downward spiral. Genetic alterations, according to Crabtree, have led to an obvious decline in our species intellectual capabilities.

Crabtree states: "New developments in genetics, anthropology and neurobiology predict that a very large number of genes underlie our intellectual and emotional abilities, making these abilities genetically surprisingly fragile. Analysis of human mutation rates and the number of genes required for human intellectual and emotional fitness indicates that we are almost certainly losing these abilities."

It is asserted that modern man cannot mentally cope with stress conditions that our genetic ancestors would have been able to handle."

You don't feel it because you are among your peers on DDO and their declining intelligence is synchronized with yours.
You just keep makin' shiit up, your god gene is being eliminated by evolution, because we n longer need it.

I have presenting my case backed by science and scriptures.

Science and Faith converge.
P:resenting your shiit is as meaningless as all of your posts.

You are now attacking both science and faith. Any wonder why your mommy was so determined to flush you down the toilet.
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3/1/2017 11:26:57 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2017 2:07:35 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/28/2017 6:41:57 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/27/2017 2:42:45 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/27/2017 2:28:33 PM, Willows wrote:


The truth is the presence of the God Gene that has been identified and called VMAT2. Hamer found a link between the God Gene (VMAT2) and human behavior (Hamer, 2004) .
I explained how the God Gene entered into the human genome and the influence it has on human behaviour proving spirituality is influenced by genetic factors.
Science and faith has converged. The discovery of the God Gene proves Faith Is Hardwired into Our Genes.

That is your twisted view, anything to jump on the science bandwagon to make it look as if religion, (God, faith, or whatever you want to call such idiocy) has some sort of credibility.

But then I should wait with bated breath shouldn't I because I am sure you will now inform the whole world that some imaginary friend from way out beyond the borders of the universe knocked that gene up in his workshop, then stuffed it into his clay model just before he dropped it on earth to become a human.
Have I guessed right?

You don't have to wait with bated breath. If you had read my OP you would have been comforted scriptures has provided science valuable clues.

How did the God Gene enter into the human genome?

Scriptures give us some clue as to how both Jesus and the God Gene falls into this equation.

Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

Apart from being a load of incredulous, fairy tale nonsense, so what?

The "God gene" has nothing whatsoever to do with some sort of spiritual impregnation.
It is simply a gene that is responsible for an "inclination to spiritualism", nothing more.

If anything, it further confirms what is already an established fact that all life evolved through natural selection and that genes develop through random mutation.

I will be glad to see this gene disappear through natural selection just like other undesirable traits. As religious people become more and more ostracised and shunned by society, their attractiveness for mating will decline. Eventually, the gene will be gone completely.
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3/1/2017 1:49:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/1/2017 11:26:57 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/28/2017 2:07:35 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/28/2017 6:41:57 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/27/2017 2:42:45 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/27/2017 2:28:33 PM, Willows wrote:


The truth is the presence of the God Gene that has been identified and called VMAT2. Hamer found a link between the God Gene (VMAT2) and human behavior (Hamer, 2004) .
I explained how the God Gene entered into the human genome and the influence it has on human behaviour proving spirituality is influenced by genetic factors.
Science and faith has converged. The discovery of the God Gene proves Faith Is Hardwired into Our Genes.

That is your twisted view, anything to jump on the science bandwagon to make it look as if religion, (God, faith, or whatever you want to call such idiocy) has some sort of credibility.

But then I should wait with bated breath shouldn't I because I am sure you will now inform the whole world that some imaginary friend from way out beyond the borders of the universe knocked that gene up in his workshop, then stuffed it into his clay model just before he dropped it on earth to become a human.
Have I guessed right?

You don't have to wait with bated breath. If you had read my OP you would have been comforted scriptures has provided science valuable clues.

How did the God Gene enter into the human genome?

Scriptures give us some clue as to how both Jesus and the God Gene falls into this equation.

Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

Apart from being a load of incredulous, fairy tale nonsense, so what?

The "God gene" has nothing whatsoever to do with some sort of spiritual impregnation.
It is simply a gene that is responsible for an "inclination to spiritualism", nothing more.

The scriptures tell us how the God Gene entered into the human genome. Hamer confirmed the presence of the God Gene and called VMAT2. Hamer also found a link between the God Gene (VMAT2) and human behavior (Hamer, 2004) proving spirituality is influenced by genetic factors.

Matthew 1:20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

If anything, it further confirms what is already an established fact that all life evolved through natural selection and that genes develop through random mutation.

Hamer explains the benefits of this gene in his 2005 book "The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired into our Genes."
The God gene hypothesis is based on a combination of behavioral genetic, neurobiological and psychological studies. The major arguments of the hypothesis are: (1) spirituality can be quantified by psychometric measurements; (2) the underlying tendency to spirituality is partially heritable; (3) part of this heritability can be attributed to the gene VMAT2;[1] (4) this gene acts by altering monoamine levels; and (5) spiritual individuals are favored by natural selection because they are provided with an innate sense of optimism, the latter producing positive effects at either a physical or psychological level. According to this hypothesis, the God gene (VMAT2) is a physiological arrangement that produces the sensations associated, by some, with mystic experiences, including the presence of God or others, or more specifically spirituality as a state of mind.

I will be glad to see this gene disappear through natural selection just like other undesirable traits. As religious people become more and more ostracised and shunned by society, their attractiveness for mating will decline. Eventually, the gene will be gone completely.
It appears you have accepted "The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired into our Genes." But would like to see it disappear. That suggests you are leaning more monkey than Christian.
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3/1/2017 8:38:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2017 6:53:18 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/25/2017 8:26:26 AM, Willows wrote:
At 2/24/2017 10:46:29 PM, Harikrish wrote:
In the beginning Darwin wrote in The descent of man: "The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded.

Humans along with gorillas and chimpanzees are classified as the great apes. And since Adam was made in the image of God at the beginning of evolution. God and Adam looked like monkeys more specifically Old World Monkeys.

We all descended from a common female ancestor.

"In 1987, a group of genet"icists published a surprising study in the journal Nature." The" researchers examined the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) taken from 147 people across all of today's major racial groups. These researchers found that the lineage of all people alive today falls on one of two branches in humanity's family tree. One of these branches consists of nothing but African lineage, the other contains all other groups, including some African lineage.

Even more impressive, the geneticists concluded that every person on Earth right now can trace his or her lineage back to a single common female ancestor who lived around 200,000 years ago. Because one entire branch of human lineage is of African origin and the other contains African lineage as well, the study's authors concluded Africa is the place where this woman lived. The scientists named this common female ancestor Mitochondrial Eve."
Obviously it took an Adam to make that happen. For that there is the Y Chromosome.

Evidence of Adam and Eve coexisting.
http://www.nature.com...


Basics: Becoming Human, Part 1: Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosome Adam
http://biologos.org...

Scriptural evidence for an evolving God

If you go by Genesis's timeline. God had not fully evolved so he was still a monkey more specifically Old World Monkey. This explains the early mistakes God made with creation, the talking serpent, the flood and his obsession with trees being arboreal. Tree of knowledge and tree of life were his favourites. Now you know why he was so upset when Adam and Eve messed with his favourite tree.

Somebody asked where does Jesus fall into this equation?

Scientists have discovered the God Gene which explains how faith is hardwired in our genes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So how did the God Gene get into the human genome?

Scriptures give us some clue as to how both Jesus and the God Gene falls into this equation.

Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

So what was Jesus's primary message to humans?

.??

I think you are drawing a mighty long bow here.

The research (findings) of a single common ancestor 200,000 years ago does not relate at all to the origins of man but to a lineage.

That does not imply that there was a point of something happening at that time.

Our current species has been around for approximately one million years. Approximately, because there is no immediate change from one species to another, it is a painfully long transition.

You incorrectly took the "God gene" labelling and turned it into "faith is hardwired into our genes".

In fact, the article states merely that the gene was labelled so because it may be responsible for "one's openness to spiritual experiences".

Will theists stop at nothing to distort findings to justify mythological beliefs?

It is almost as absurd as explaining God's failures due to "His" early developmental stage as a monkey.

What the ????
I'm with you. Especially since you're definitely closer to an ape than an intelligent logical human being. Have a banana.....lol

No you are not with me. You are the still a monkey wanting to share a banana. Missing the God Gene that is the best you can do.

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