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Ragnar
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3/30/2017 9:58:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
So political thoughts...

I've figured out my problem with Trump loyalists, and not surprisingly, it is actually the same problem I had with Obama loyalists eight years ago; simply put, I am opposed to the deification of politicians.

This is by no means to say anyone who happened to vote for either candidate, or even that support a majority of their policies... This is about those who cannot see error from such supreme beings as their chosen politicians. If you cannot name one thing you dislike about your favorite politician, there is a noteable danger that this applies to you.

Human beings make mistakes, and are accountable for them. We have foot-in-mouth moments, which propts us to laugh at each other. We even laugh at such flounderings from those we truly love, our friends and family; but somehow a lot of people love the Great Leader too much to dare chuckle at their occasional folly.

This being a predominantly Christian nation, I feel comfortable assuming that those who fall into this trap tend to be self proclaimed Christians... Yet what does the bible say a about false idols and golden calves? Does someone in this trap spend more time devoted to Jesus, or placing the golden calf which lives in a white temple above God? Even God made mistakes, but apparently not Politicians.
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3/30/2017 11:56:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think what's happening, here, is not so much the "deification" of politicians or political ideology, it's what's called "identity politics".

This is a phenomena where the politician and the support of the politician become conflated to the point that to criticize the politician is taken as the equivalent to criticizing the supporter. For example, if supporting Obama has become a part of my 'self-identity', then anyone criticizing Obama or his policies is criticizing me for supporting him. We are no longer differentiating between Obama and his policies, and me and my political support.

This is very problematic because it causes people support politicians cart-blanche, and assume that other people support their politicians cart-blanche when many of us do not. And many of them do not.

The reality is that nearly all of us will agree with some of Obama's policies and personality traits while not agreeing with others. Or we would if our egos were not involved, telling us that because we are a "supporter", we must support and defend Obama at all times regarding all issues. Or that if we come across an Obama supporter when we are not, we must assume that they support Obama in all things and at all times.

Frankly, "identity politics" makes idiots of us, and we should grow the hell up and stop engaging in it. But both the media and the politicians stand to gain from encouraging it, which they do at every opportunity, so I don't expect it to stop anytime soon. Politics has become a sport, and don't you DARE speak ill of MY TEAM!!!
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3/31/2017 2:14:01 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2017 11:56:07 PM, PureX wrote:
I think what's happening, here, is not so much the "deification" of politicians or political ideology, it's what's called "identity politics".

Well said.

Thinking on it, I am at a lower level quite guilty. I self identify as a feminist, and when I hear someone bashing feminism I instinctively drift toward the defensive... I have enough self awareness to hear out someones stance, and often enough they've simply confused feminism with misandry (which are only the same thing if you're also a misogynist).

I of course am still curious what people here think of the religious implications of identity politics (or making saints of damnable politicians).
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3/31/2017 2:16:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2017 9:58:44 PM, Ragnar wrote:
So political thoughts...

I've figured out my problem with Trump loyalists, and not surprisingly, it is actually the same problem I had with Obama loyalists eight years ago; simply put, I am opposed to the deification of politicians.

This is by no means to say anyone who happened to vote for either candidate, or even that support a majority of their policies... This is about those who cannot see error from such supreme beings as their chosen politicians. If you cannot name one thing you dislike about your favorite politician, there is a noteable danger that this applies to you.

Human beings make mistakes, and are accountable for them. We have foot-in-mouth moments, which propts us to laugh at each other. We even laugh at such flounderings from those we truly love, our friends and family; but somehow a lot of people love the Great Leader too much to dare chuckle at their occasional folly.

This being a predominantly Christian nation, I feel comfortable assuming that those who fall into this trap tend to be self proclaimed Christians... Yet what does the bible say a about false idols and golden calves? Does someone in this trap spend more time devoted to Jesus, or placing the golden calf which lives in a white temple above God? Even God made mistakes, but apparently not Politicians.

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3/31/2017 2:19:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2017 2:16:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com...

Good one... But have you seen the awesomeness that is this? https://pbs.twimg.com...
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3/31/2017 2:20:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2017 2:19:29 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:16:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com...

Good one... But have you seen the awesomeness that is this? https://pbs.twimg.com...

http://orig05.deviantart.net...
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3/31/2017 2:21:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2017 2:19:29 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:16:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com...

Good one... But have you seen the awesomeness that is this? https://pbs.twimg.com...

Btw, what I posted is real. It's on the ceiling of the rotunda in the Capitol Building.
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3/31/2017 5:46:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2017 11:56:07 PM, PureX wrote:
I think what's happening, here, is not so much the "deification" of politicians or political ideology, it's what's called "identity politics".

This is a phenomena where the politician and the support of the politician become conflated to the point that to criticize the politician is taken as the equivalent to criticizing the supporter. For example, if supporting Obama has become a part of my 'self-identity', then anyone criticizing Obama or his policies is criticizing me for supporting him. We are no longer differentiating between Obama and his policies, and me and my political support.


This is very problematic because it causes people support politicians cart-blanche, and assume that other people support their politicians cart-blanche when many of us do not. And many of them do not.

The reality is that nearly all of us will agree with some of Obama's policies and personality traits while not agreeing with others. Or we would if our egos were not involved, telling us that because we are a "supporter", we must support and defend Obama at all times regarding all issues. Or that if we come across an Obama supporter when we are not, we must assume that they support Obama in all things and at all times.

Frankly, "identity politics" makes idiots of us, and we should grow the hell up and stop engaging in it. But both the media and the politicians stand to gain from encouraging it, which they do at every opportunity, so I don't expect it to stop anytime soon. Politics has become a sport, and don't you DARE speak ill of MY TEAM!!!

Very well said. The politics of identity are tied to the need for control. A perceived lack of control and personal power is what drives all deviant behavior from domestic abuse to mass murder. More than 60% of Americans are actually functionally illiterate. Only 13% of Americans can do these three things: compare and contrast two essays from authors with divergent opinions, locate information on a three factor chart, and compute price per unit. These are the people who decide who gets elected. That's pretty scary.
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3/31/2017 2:31:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2017 2:21:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:19:29 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:16:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com...

Good one... But have you seen the awesomeness that is this? https://pbs.twimg.com...

Btw, what I posted is real. It's on the ceiling of the rotunda in the Capitol Building.

I wish you meant Teddy vs the bear...
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3/31/2017 3:11:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2017 9:58:44 PM, Ragnar wrote:
So political thoughts...

I've figured out my problem with Trump loyalists, and not surprisingly, it is actually the same problem I had with Obama loyalists eight years ago; simply put, I am opposed to the deification of politicians.

Yeah your gonna want to stay away form Russia then.
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4/1/2017 6:56:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2017 2:31:14 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:21:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:19:29 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:16:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com...

Good one... But have you seen the awesomeness that is this? https://pbs.twimg.com...

Btw, what I posted is real. It's on the ceiling of the rotunda in the Capitol Building.

I wish you meant Teddy vs the bear...

http://25.media.tumblr.com...
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4/1/2017 9:11:17 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2017 6:56:14 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:31:14 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:21:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:19:29 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:16:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com...

Good one... But have you seen the awesomeness that is this? https://pbs.twimg.com...

Btw, what I posted is real. It's on the ceiling of the rotunda in the Capitol Building.

I wish you meant Teddy vs the bear...

http://25.media.tumblr.com...

Now we know what happened to Zeus!

But as cool as that is, it's nothing on Bush: https://www.etsy.com...?
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4/1/2017 11:27:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/30/2017 11:56:07 PM, PureX wrote:
I think what's happening, here, is not so much the "deification" of politicians or political ideology, it's what's called "identity politics".

This is a phenomena where the politician and the support of the politician become conflated to the point that to criticize the politician is taken as the equivalent to criticizing the supporter. For example, if supporting Obama has become a part of my 'self-identity', then anyone criticizing Obama or his policies is criticizing me for supporting him. We are no longer differentiating between Obama and his policies, and me and my political support.

This is very problematic because it causes people support politicians cart-blanche, and assume that other people support their politicians cart-blanche when many of us do not. And many of them do not.

The reality is that nearly all of us will agree with some of Obama's policies and personality traits while not agreeing with others. Or we would if our egos were not involved, telling us that because we are a "supporter", we must support and defend Obama at all times regarding all issues. Or that if we come across an Obama supporter when we are not, we must assume that they support Obama in all things and at all times.

Frankly, "identity politics" makes idiots of us, and we should grow the hell up and stop engaging in it. But both the media and the politicians stand to gain from encouraging it, which they do at every opportunity, so I don't expect it to stop anytime soon. Politics has become a sport, and don't you DARE speak ill of MY TEAM!!!

Very well said.
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4/2/2017 3:48:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2017 2:14:01 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 3/30/2017 11:56:07 PM, PureX wrote:
I think what's happening, here, is not so much the "deification" of politicians or political ideology, it's what's called "identity politics".

Well said.

Thinking on it, I am at a lower level quite guilty. I self identify as a feminist, and when I hear someone bashing feminism I instinctively drift toward the defensive... I have enough self awareness to hear out someones stance, and often enough they've simply confused feminism with misandry (which are only the same thing if you're also a misogynist).

I of course am still curious what people here think of the religious implications of identity politics (or making saints of damnable politicians).

In the U.S., and some other places, there is a significant number of people living under an absolutist authoritarian religious ideology and culture. These people have been trained from birth that "obedience to divine authority" is their most important responsibility, and that if they should dare to defy this responsibility, they will (and have been) severely punished. And this sort of extremist culture tends to divide it's members into absolute "shepherds", and absolute "sheep". The "shepherds" believing that they can do no wrong, and the sheep believing that they must do no wrong. Which is a scenario that VERY attractive to politicians, who are innately fascinated and totally enamored by the idea and practice of 'power'. That's why they become politicians, after all.

So the conjoining of religious authoritarianism and political power-mongering has long been a common practice throughout human history. And it nearly always results in a great deal of death and suffering for most of the humans involved.
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4/2/2017 4:23:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2017 9:11:17 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 4/1/2017 6:56:14 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:31:14 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:21:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:19:29 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 3/31/2017 2:16:52 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com...

Good one... But have you seen the awesomeness that is this? https://pbs.twimg.com...

Btw, what I posted is real. It's on the ceiling of the rotunda in the Capitol Building.

I wish you meant Teddy vs the bear...

http://25.media.tumblr.com...

Now we know what happened to Zeus!

But as cool as that is, it's nothing on Bush: https://www.etsy.com...?

https://d19fbfhz0hcvd2.cloudfront.net...
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