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# Mathematics ends in meaninglessness

 Posts: 32 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 7/2/2013 10:57:13 PMPosted: 6 years agoThis author points out Mathematics ends in meaninglessness for five reasonshttp://www.scribd.com...reason 1)mathematics proves a finite number = a non-finite number1 is a finite number and .9999... [ie to infinity] is a non-finite numbermathematics proves 1=.9999... [ie to infinity]thus mathematics ends in meaninglessnessproofx=.999... [ie to infinity]10x=9.99...10x -(x)= 9.99... - (.999...)9x=9x=1thus x=1 and x=.999...thus 1=.999....simply0.9999... = 1 means mathematics ends in contradiction0.9999.... is a non-finite number/1 is a finite numberthus we havea finite number = non-finite numberthus a contradiction in termsthusmathematics ends in contradictionthus maths ends in meaninglessness
 Posts: 44,679 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 7/2/2013 10:57:58 PMPosted: 6 years agoHeroin ends in meaninglessness too. Doesn't mean you shouldn't do it...
 Posts: 1,023 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 7/3/2013 6:39:05 AMPosted: 6 years agoAt 7/2/2013 10:57:58 PM, YYW wrote:Heroin ends in meaninglessness too. Doesn't mean you shouldn't do it...+1
 Posts: 751 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 7/3/2013 7:54:25 AMPosted: 6 years agoAnd yet mathematics is useful and the philosophy of whether or not something has meaning is not...So it appears the real contradiction comes not from finite versus non-finite but useful versus not-useful.
 Posts: 18,870 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 7/3/2013 9:17:35 AMPosted: 6 years agoIn the sense you are using them "a finite" number and a "non-finite" number is gibberish. There are many ways to represent the same number, even within the same base, and you stumbled upon 2 of them.
 Posts: 18,870 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 7/3/2013 9:20:04 AMPosted: 6 years agoBut... far be it for me to argue with Australia's leading erotic poet.
 Posts: 561 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 7/3/2013 9:36:46 AMPosted: 6 years agoWhy is extrapolation such a hard task for some people.If you keep adding more 9's to 0.9999.. eventually it gets so close to 1 as to be indistinguishable. Why can you not understand that simple idea?If you where going home but only got 99.9999999...% of the way home how far have you still to travel? answer 0If an object cost \$0.999999999... what change do you get from \$1.00?answer 0Do you get the idea yet.The difference between 0.999... and 1 is 0.While I'm in [rant] mode, Why is mathematics under attack from the irrational faction. Mathematics is based on simple axiomatic rules and can be reliable used to prove or disprove most statements. But some groups feel this is not good enough so instead use "language" to prove their point! How can verbal arguments be superior to maths? Language is full of inconsistency, contradiction, ambiguity and was never designed to be used to prove or disprove mathematical arguments. Language evolved by accident and its use changes pretty much with the prevailing wind. Language finds that infinite sum = finite is a paradox but maths does not [/rant]Let's hope "the truth is out there" cos there is bugger all round here.
 Posts: 3,730 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 7/3/2013 5:16:53 PMPosted: 6 years agoAt 7/2/2013 10:57:13 PM, shakuntala wrote:This author points out Mathematics ends in meaninglessness for five reasonshttp://www.scribd.com...reason 1)mathematics proves a finite number = a non-finite numberNo it doesn't.1 is a finite number and .9999... [ie to infinity] is a non-finite numberNo it isn't, .999... is equal to one, it is a finite number.mathematics proves 1=.9999... [ie to infinity]thus mathematics ends in meaninglessnessThen how do you explain "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences"?proofx=.999... [ie to infinity]10x=9.99...10x -(x)= 9.99... - (.999...)9x=9x=1thus x=1 and x=.999...thus 1=.999....simply0.9999... = 1 means mathematics ends in contradiction0.9999.... is a non-finite number/1 is a finite numberthus we havea finite number = non-finite numberNope, a finite number = a finite numberthus a contradiction in termsNope, it is not a contradiction.thusmathematics ends in contradictionNo it doesn't.thus maths ends in meaninglessnessNope, the OP ends in meaningless.It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
 Posts: 1,023 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 7/3/2013 6:00:06 PMPosted: 6 years agoAt 7/3/2013 5:16:53 PM, Sidewalker wrote:Nope, the OP ends in meaningless.When the OP is Colin Leslie Dean, Australia's alleged leading erotic poet parading around the internet advocating his own failed ideas about philosophy, mathematics, evolution, and a bunch of other stuff he doesn't know anything about - I'm not sure why you'd expect any different.
 Posts: 3,730 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 7/3/2013 6:19:28 PMPosted: 6 years agoAt 7/3/2013 6:00:06 PM, Enji wrote:At 7/3/2013 5:16:53 PM, Sidewalker wrote:Nope, the OP ends in meaningless.When the OP is Colin Leslie Dean, Australia's alleged leading erotic poet parading around the internet advocating his own failed ideas about philosophy, mathematics, evolution, and a bunch of other stuff he doesn't know anything about - I'm not sure why you'd expect any different.I just haven't kept up with the latest literary trends of Australian erotic poetry, I thought I'd wait for the movie.It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
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 Posts: 288 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 7/3/2013 11:02:50 PMPosted: 6 years agoI see where your confusion is.0.999... recurring is not a "non-finite" number, rather it is a non-finite expression of a finite numberThe size of a number and how big it is when you write it down are two different things.ie.10^100 (a googol) is a massive number. It's more than the total number of elementary particles in the known universe. But It's really small when I write it down.All you've really demonstrated is a weird oddity regarding the way we use and express mathematics, not anything wrong with mathematics itself."I'm not saying I don't trust you...and I'm not saying I do. But I don't" -Topper Harley
 Posts: 3,266 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 7/5/2013 4:37:28 PMPosted: 6 years agoAt 7/2/2013 10:57:13 PM, shakuntala wrote:This author points out Mathematics ends in meaninglessness for five reasonshttp://www.scribd.com...reason 1)mathematics proves a finite number = a non-finite number1 is a finite number and .9999... [ie to infinity] is a non-finite numberThat is incorrect. 0.999... is a non-finite representation of a finite number, ie 1.mathematics proves 1=.9999... [ie to infinity]thus mathematics ends in meaninglessnessIncorrect; your premises are faulty.proofx=.999... [ie to infinity]10x=9.99...10x -(x)= 9.99... - (.999...)9x=9x=1thus x=1 and x=.999...thus 1=.999....simply0.9999... = 1 means mathematics ends in contradictionIncorrect; false premise.0.9999.... is a non-finite number/Incorrect; 0.999... is a finite number whose representation is non-finite.1 is a finite numberthus we havea finite number = non-finite numberFalse; a finite number = finite numberthus a contradiction in termsthusmathematics ends in contradictionthus maths ends in meaninglessnessFalse.WOS : At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote: : Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
 Posts: 3,781 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 7/6/2013 12:58:16 PMPosted: 6 years agoInfinitesimal is as good as nothing.bladerunner060 | bsh1 , 2014! Presidency campaign! http://www.debate.org... http://www.debate.org... - Running for president. http://www.debate.org... - Running as his vice president. May the best man win!