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6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM
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What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.
" I got thinkin' how we was holy when we was one thing, an' mankin' was holy when it was one thing. An' it on'y got unholy when one mis'able little fella got the bit in his teeth an' run off his own way, kickin' an' draggin' an' fightin'. Fella like that bust the holiness. But when they're all workin' together, not one fella for another fella, but one fella kind of harnessed to the whole shebang--that's right, that's holy."
--Rev. Casy, The Grapes of Wrath
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6/26/2017 9:57:15 PM
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I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with pornography; if anything it can serve to educate young people about different sex positions, and if the porn stars are making some kind of living: then what's so bad about it?
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6/26/2017 10:00:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
As for sexism, for the most part, women choose to star in porn movies (a lot can actually be homemade, as well) so I don't think it perpetuates any gender bias at all--besides that, porn caters to pretty much all tastes; so the 'dominant/submissive' roles between sexes are rather interchangeable.
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6/26/2017 10:13:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.

Immoral and degenerate.

A good indication of fallen human nature however.
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6/26/2017 10:15:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.

It really just follows logically from all the other beliefs modernists have about sex though. So unless you're willing to completely rework your worldview, I don't see how you can say there's anything wrong with it.

I don't understand how it isn't considered infidelity though.
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6/27/2017 12:20:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.

I don't really think about porn itself, but cheesy punchlines turn me on.
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6/27/2017 1:13:10 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/26/2017 9:57:15 PM, Emilrose wrote:
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with pornography; if anything it can serve to educate young people about different sex positions

http://fightthenewdrug.org...
http://fightthenewdrug.org...
and if the porn stars are making some kind of living: then what's so bad about it?
Former porn stars have described their experience in the porn industry as a living hell.
" I got thinkin' how we was holy when we was one thing, an' mankin' was holy when it was one thing. An' it on'y got unholy when one mis'able little fella got the bit in his teeth an' run off his own way, kickin' an' draggin' an' fightin'. Fella like that bust the holiness. But when they're all workin' together, not one fella for another fella, but one fella kind of harnessed to the whole shebang--that's right, that's holy."
--Rev. Casy, The Grapes of Wrath
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6/27/2017 1:13:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/26/2017 10:13:14 PM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.

Immoral and degenerate.

A good indication of fallen human nature however.

Why is it immoral?
" I got thinkin' how we was holy when we was one thing, an' mankin' was holy when it was one thing. An' it on'y got unholy when one mis'able little fella got the bit in his teeth an' run off his own way, kickin' an' draggin' an' fightin'. Fella like that bust the holiness. But when they're all workin' together, not one fella for another fella, but one fella kind of harnessed to the whole shebang--that's right, that's holy."
--Rev. Casy, The Grapes of Wrath
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6/27/2017 1:35:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/26/2017 9:57:15 PM, Emilrose wrote:
if anything it can serve to educate young people about different sex positions.
Mainstream pornography isn't geared towards positions that are actually comfortable--it's geared towards ones that look good. Porn presents unrealistic or violent views of sexuality for teens and young adults, and there are studies showing this.
http://scholarworks.boisestate.edu...
" In both cases, as SEM (sexually explicit material) viewing frequency increased, satisfaction diminished." Pornography reinforces feelings of inadequacy, decreases satisfaction with their sexual experiences and partners, and harms sexual partners--many people feel they can't compete with the freakishly thin or surgically modified bodies of porn stars. Porn gives young people an unrealistic perception of sex.
" I got thinkin' how we was holy when we was one thing, an' mankin' was holy when it was one thing. An' it on'y got unholy when one mis'able little fella got the bit in his teeth an' run off his own way, kickin' an' draggin' an' fightin'. Fella like that bust the holiness. But when they're all workin' together, not one fella for another fella, but one fella kind of harnessed to the whole shebang--that's right, that's holy."
--Rev. Casy, The Grapes of Wrath
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6/27/2017 1:38:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 1:13:33 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/26/2017 10:13:14 PM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.

Immoral and degenerate.

A good indication of fallen human nature however.

Why is it immoral?

Because sex is intended for procreation and marriage. Pornography is none of that. It's self-centered hedonistic pleasure seeking.
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6/27/2017 1:40:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 1:38:44 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:13:33 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/26/2017 10:13:14 PM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.

Immoral and degenerate.

A good indication of fallen human nature however.

Why is it immoral?

Because sex is intended for procreation and marriage. Pornography is none of that. It's self-centered hedonistic pleasure seeking.

I see. Are you religious? Who are you to say what sex is "intended" for? Intended by whom?
" I got thinkin' how we was holy when we was one thing, an' mankin' was holy when it was one thing. An' it on'y got unholy when one mis'able little fella got the bit in his teeth an' run off his own way, kickin' an' draggin' an' fightin'. Fella like that bust the holiness. But when they're all workin' together, not one fella for another fella, but one fella kind of harnessed to the whole shebang--that's right, that's holy."
--Rev. Casy, The Grapes of Wrath
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6/27/2017 1:48:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 12:02:01 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
I feel so bad for those girls' fathers... doesn't stop me watching tho lol

Should it?
" I got thinkin' how we was holy when we was one thing, an' mankin' was holy when it was one thing. An' it on'y got unholy when one mis'able little fella got the bit in his teeth an' run off his own way, kickin' an' draggin' an' fightin'. Fella like that bust the holiness. But when they're all workin' together, not one fella for another fella, but one fella kind of harnessed to the whole shebang--that's right, that's holy."
--Rev. Casy, The Grapes of Wrath
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6/27/2017 2:21:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 1:40:58 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:38:44 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:13:33 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/26/2017 10:13:14 PM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.

Immoral and degenerate.

A good indication of fallen human nature however.

Why is it immoral?

Because sex is intended for procreation and marriage. Pornography is none of that. It's self-centered hedonistic pleasure seeking.

I see. Are you religious? Who are you to say what sex is "intended" for? Intended by whom?

Pretty obvious sex is biologically intended for procreation. I don't see how that's something that needs explanation. That seems to be the uncontroversial part. Most people would just say: Sure, so what?
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6/27/2017 2:24:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 2:21:26 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:40:58 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:38:44 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:13:33 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/26/2017 10:13:14 PM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.

Immoral and degenerate.

A good indication of fallen human nature however.

Why is it immoral?

Because sex is intended for procreation and marriage. Pornography is none of that. It's self-centered hedonistic pleasure seeking.

I see. Are you religious? Who are you to say what sex is "intended" for? Intended by whom?

Pretty obvious sex is biologically intended for procreation. I don't see how that's something that needs explanation. That seems to be the uncontroversial part. Most people would just say: Sure, so what?

Yes, that's the biological point--but is there anything inherently wrong with sex for pleasure? I agree with you that porn is bad, but disagree with your reasoning.
" I got thinkin' how we was holy when we was one thing, an' mankin' was holy when it was one thing. An' it on'y got unholy when one mis'able little fella got the bit in his teeth an' run off his own way, kickin' an' draggin' an' fightin'. Fella like that bust the holiness. But when they're all workin' together, not one fella for another fella, but one fella kind of harnessed to the whole shebang--that's right, that's holy."
--Rev. Casy, The Grapes of Wrath
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6/27/2017 2:26:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 2:24:22 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 2:21:26 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:40:58 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:38:44 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:13:33 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/26/2017 10:13:14 PM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.

Immoral and degenerate.

A good indication of fallen human nature however.

Why is it immoral?

Because sex is intended for procreation and marriage. Pornography is none of that. It's self-centered hedonistic pleasure seeking.

I see. Are you religious? Who are you to say what sex is "intended" for? Intended by whom?

Pretty obvious sex is biologically intended for procreation. I don't see how that's something that needs explanation. That seems to be the uncontroversial part. Most people would just say: Sure, so what?

Yes, that's the biological point--but is there anything inherently wrong with sex for pleasure? I agree with you that porn is bad, but disagree with your reasoning.

Sex for pleasure isn't necessarily wrong.
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6/27/2017 2:27:13 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 2:26:06 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 2:24:22 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 2:21:26 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:40:58 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:38:44 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:13:33 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/26/2017 10:13:14 PM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.

Immoral and degenerate.

A good indication of fallen human nature however.

Why is it immoral?

Because sex is intended for procreation and marriage. Pornography is none of that. It's self-centered hedonistic pleasure seeking.

I see. Are you religious? Who are you to say what sex is "intended" for? Intended by whom?

Pretty obvious sex is biologically intended for procreation. I don't see how that's something that needs explanation. That seems to be the uncontroversial part. Most people would just say: Sure, so what?

Yes, that's the biological point--but is there anything inherently wrong with sex for pleasure? I agree with you that porn is bad, but disagree with your reasoning.

Sex for pleasure isn't necessarily wrong.

So what exactly is it about pornography that makes it wrong?
" I got thinkin' how we was holy when we was one thing, an' mankin' was holy when it was one thing. An' it on'y got unholy when one mis'able little fella got the bit in his teeth an' run off his own way, kickin' an' draggin' an' fightin'. Fella like that bust the holiness. But when they're all workin' together, not one fella for another fella, but one fella kind of harnessed to the whole shebang--that's right, that's holy."
--Rev. Casy, The Grapes of Wrath
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6/27/2017 2:27:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 2:24:22 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 2:21:26 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:40:58 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:38:44 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:13:33 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/26/2017 10:13:14 PM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.

Immoral and degenerate.

A good indication of fallen human nature however.

Why is it immoral?

Because sex is intended for procreation and marriage. Pornography is none of that. It's self-centered hedonistic pleasure seeking.

I see. Are you religious? Who are you to say what sex is "intended" for? Intended by whom?

Pretty obvious sex is biologically intended for procreation. I don't see how that's something that needs explanation. That seems to be the uncontroversial part. Most people would just say: Sure, so what?

Yes, that's the biological point--but is there anything inherently wrong with sex for pleasure? I agree with you that porn is bad, but disagree with your reasoning.

https://drive.google.com...

In any case, pornography is damaging to ones sexuality and normal sexual function, though I don't think that gets to the heart of the issue. It also can be argued that it treats human beings as a mere means, and not as ends.
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6/27/2017 2:32:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 2:27:52 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 2:24:22 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 2:21:26 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:40:58 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:38:44 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:13:33 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/26/2017 10:13:14 PM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.

Immoral and degenerate.

A good indication of fallen human nature however.

Why is it immoral?

Because sex is intended for procreation and marriage. Pornography is none of that. It's self-centered hedonistic pleasure seeking.

I see. Are you religious? Who are you to say what sex is "intended" for? Intended by whom?

Pretty obvious sex is biologically intended for procreation. I don't see how that's something that needs explanation. That seems to be the uncontroversial part. Most people would just say: Sure, so what?

Yes, that's the biological point--but is there anything inherently wrong with sex for pleasure? I agree with you that porn is bad, but disagree with your reasoning.

https://drive.google.com...

In any case, pornography is damaging to ones sexuality and normal sexual function, though I don't think that gets to the heart of the issue. It also can be argued that it treats human beings as a mere means, and not as ends.
Fair enough. I understand what you're saying now.
" I got thinkin' how we was holy when we was one thing, an' mankin' was holy when it was one thing. An' it on'y got unholy when one mis'able little fella got the bit in his teeth an' run off his own way, kickin' an' draggin' an' fightin'. Fella like that bust the holiness. But when they're all workin' together, not one fella for another fella, but one fella kind of harnessed to the whole shebang--that's right, that's holy."
--Rev. Casy, The Grapes of Wrath
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6/27/2017 2:36:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 2:32:19 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
Fair enough. I understand what you're saying now.
Not that I agree with it--the essay that you linked me seems to be just another compilation of religious/conservative anti-"sexual deviancy" opinions. It also condemns homosexuality and masturbation, things which are usually considered to be (and are) perfectly moral.
" I got thinkin' how we was holy when we was one thing, an' mankin' was holy when it was one thing. An' it on'y got unholy when one mis'able little fella got the bit in his teeth an' run off his own way, kickin' an' draggin' an' fightin'. Fella like that bust the holiness. But when they're all workin' together, not one fella for another fella, but one fella kind of harnessed to the whole shebang--that's right, that's holy."
--Rev. Casy, The Grapes of Wrath
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6/27/2017 2:41:49 AM
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At 6/27/2017 2:32:19 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 2:27:52 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 2:24:22 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 2:21:26 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:40:58 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:38:44 AM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:13:33 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/26/2017 10:13:14 PM, OTempora wrote:
At 6/26/2017 9:06:36 PM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
What are your opinions of it? A harmless pastime? Or do you consider it immoral? Or dangerous? What are the effects of pornography on sexism/gender bias? Discuss.

Immoral and degenerate.

A good indication of fallen human nature however.

Why is it immoral?

Because sex is intended for procreation and marriage. Pornography is none of that. It's self-centered hedonistic pleasure seeking.

I see. Are you religious? Who are you to say what sex is "intended" for? Intended by whom?

Pretty obvious sex is biologically intended for procreation. I don't see how that's something that needs explanation. That seems to be the uncontroversial part. Most people would just say: Sure, so what?

Yes, that's the biological point--but is there anything inherently wrong with sex for pleasure? I agree with you that porn is bad, but disagree with your reasoning.

https://drive.google.com...

In any case, pornography is damaging to ones sexuality and normal sexual function, though I don't think that gets to the heart of the issue. It also can be argued that it treats human beings as a mere means, and not as ends.
Fair enough. I understand what you're saying now.

If there's anything that's sacred from a non-religious point of view, it should be sex. Sex is one of the deepest expressions of love between two people. It produces new individual rational agents. In alot of ways, it's the fabric of society, and creates strong bonds. Cheapening sex to the point of merely *my own* pleasures seems to be the definition of irreverence and self-centeredness.

Also, if you do try the nofap/noporn, you'll be surprised how your sex drive will go up. Alot of stuff other than flogging the dolphin you can do with that energy.

There have also been correlations shown between pornography consumption and decreased gray matter in certain areas of the brain.

Let's be honest. Watching some chick on porn and climaxing to it is far more intense and extremely different than playing a video game or listening to music.
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6/27/2017 2:42:17 AM
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At 6/27/2017 1:35:12 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/26/2017 9:57:15 PM, Emilrose wrote:
if anything it can serve to educate young people about different sex positions.
Mainstream pornography isn't geared towards positions that are actually comfortable--it's geared towards ones that look good. Porn presents unrealistic or violent views of sexuality for teens and young adults, and there are studies showing this.
http://scholarworks.boisestate.edu...

I would say that all mainstream porn positions are pretty comfortable and normal, lol. It's not as if you'll specifically be encountering Kama Sutra in mainstream porn outlets. I also don't see how it's violent or unrealistic; we can all have a kind of 'animal' in us. I never needed porn to sexually experiment (with fantasies, role-plays, etc.) or enjoy rough and degrading sex--it's a natural inclination, free from any forced influence.

I actually have a 'thing' about certain actions in sex, that are uncommon in mainstream porn. So the whole 'it's from porn' argument just fails in my opinion...it's so easily negated.

" In both cases, as SEM (sexually explicit material) viewing frequency increased, satisfaction diminished." Pornography reinforces feelings of inadequacy, decreases satisfaction with their sexual experiences and partners, and harms sexual partners--many people feel they can't compete with the freakishly thin or surgically modified bodies of porn stars. Porn gives young people an unrealistic perception of sex.

Again, not necessarily. These people likely already have existing issues with inadequacy or poor relationships. Fundamentally I can't see the correlation between porn and 'unrealistic sex', either.

I mean...no sex is actually unrealistic.
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6/27/2017 2:45:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 2:41:49 AM, OTempora wrote:
If there's anything that's sacred from a non-religious point of view, it should be sex. Sex is one of the deepest expressions of love between two people. It produces new individual rational agents. In alot of ways, it's the fabric of society, and creates strong bonds. Cheapening sex to the point of merely *my own* pleasures seems to be the definition of irreverence and self-centeredness.

Also, if you do try the nofap/noporn, you'll be surprised how your sex drive will go up. Alot of stuff other than flogging the dolphin you can do with that energy.

There have also been correlations shown between pornography consumption and decreased gray matter in certain areas of the brain.

Let's be honest. Watching some chick on porn and climaxing to it is far more intense and extremely different than playing a video game or listening to music.

Now here I totally agree with what you're saying. I've seen the gray-matter study and I agree with you that sex shouldn't be cheapened--it's just the exclusively religious argument I take issue with.
" I got thinkin' how we was holy when we was one thing, an' mankin' was holy when it was one thing. An' it on'y got unholy when one mis'able little fella got the bit in his teeth an' run off his own way, kickin' an' draggin' an' fightin'. Fella like that bust the holiness. But when they're all workin' together, not one fella for another fella, but one fella kind of harnessed to the whole shebang--that's right, that's holy."
--Rev. Casy, The Grapes of Wrath
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6/27/2017 2:48:57 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 2:45:26 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 2:41:49 AM, OTempora wrote:
If there's anything that's sacred from a non-religious point of view, it should be sex. Sex is one of the deepest expressions of love between two people. It produces new individual rational agents. In alot of ways, it's the fabric of society, and creates strong bonds. Cheapening sex to the point of merely *my own* pleasures seems to be the definition of irreverence and self-centeredness.

Also, if you do try the nofap/noporn, you'll be surprised how your sex drive will go up. Alot of stuff other than flogging the dolphin you can do with that energy.

There have also been correlations shown between pornography consumption and decreased gray matter in certain areas of the brain.

Let's be honest. Watching some chick on porn and climaxing to it is far more intense and extremely different than playing a video game or listening to music.

Now here I totally agree with what you're saying. I've seen the gray-matter study and I agree with you that sex shouldn't be cheapened--it's just the exclusively religious argument I take issue with.

I don't think it's exclusively religious, though I suppose it is rather what traditional Christian thought is based on.
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6/27/2017 2:58:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 2:42:17 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:35:12 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/26/2017 9:57:15 PM, Emilrose wrote:
if anything it can serve to educate young people about different sex positions.
Mainstream pornography isn't geared towards positions that are actually comfortable--it's geared towards ones that look good. Porn presents unrealistic or violent views of sexuality for teens and young adults, and there are studies showing this.
http://scholarworks.boisestate.edu...

I would say that all mainstream porn positions are pretty comfortable and normal, lol. It's not as if you'll specifically be encountering Kama Sutra in mainstream porn outlets.
That's fair.
I also don't see how it's violent or unrealistic; we can all have a kind of 'animal' in us. I never needed porn to sexually experiment (with fantasies, role-plays, etc.) or enjoy rough and degrading sex--it's a natural inclination, free from any forced influence.
So you assume that's the norm for all women? Because that's what porn tells folks.
I actually have a 'thing' about certain actions in sex, that are uncommon in mainstream porn. So the whole 'it's from porn' argument just fails in my opinion...it's so easily negated.

" In both cases, as SEM (sexually explicit material) viewing frequency increased, satisfaction diminished." Pornography reinforces feelings of inadequacy, decreases satisfaction with their sexual experiences and partners, and harms sexual partners--many people feel they can't compete with the freakishly thin or surgically modified bodies of porn stars. Porn gives young people an unrealistic perception of sex.

Again, not necessarily. These people likely already have existing issues with inadequacy or poor relationships. Fundamentally I can't see the correlation between porn and 'unrealistic sex', either.
You didn't read the study, which says that gender, religiosity, dating status, and age were controlled for.
The correlation between porn and unrealistic sex is that porn often depicts unrealistic acts, positions, or attitudes that can warp people's attitudes about sexuality.
I mean...no sex is actually unrealistic.
Sure it can be. There are a ton of scenes in which women are raped, beaten, or otherwise degraded--and then are shown enjoying it. You call that realistic? Do you think that's not harmful to the society by normalizing violence towards women?
" I got thinkin' how we was holy when we was one thing, an' mankin' was holy when it was one thing. An' it on'y got unholy when one mis'able little fella got the bit in his teeth an' run off his own way, kickin' an' draggin' an' fightin'. Fella like that bust the holiness. But when they're all workin' together, not one fella for another fella, but one fella kind of harnessed to the whole shebang--that's right, that's holy."
--Rev. Casy, The Grapes of Wrath
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6/27/2017 9:41:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 2:58:36 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/27/2017 2:42:17 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 6/27/2017 1:35:12 AM, Tree_of_Death wrote:
At 6/26/2017 9:57:15 PM, Emilrose wrote:
if anything it can serve to educate young people about different sex positions.
Mainstream pornography isn't geared towards positions that are actually comfortable--it's geared towards ones that look good. Porn presents unrealistic or violent views of sexuality for teens and young adults, and there are studies showing this.
http://scholarworks.boisestate.edu...

I would say that all mainstream porn positions are pretty comfortable and normal, lol. It's not as if you'll specifically be encountering Kama Sutra in mainstream porn outlets.
That's fair.
I also don't see how it's violent or unrealistic; we can all have a kind of 'animal' in us. I never needed porn to sexually experiment (with fantasies, role-plays, etc.) or enjoy rough and degrading sex--it's a natural inclination, free from any forced influence.
So you assume that's the norm for all women? Because that's what porn tells folks.

Not all women, no. And not completely true, as porn does indeed provide for pretty much any audience out there. To my knowledge you can even get 'romantic porn.' And if the woman is more dominant--well there's definitely content catering to that.

I actually have a 'thing' about certain actions in sex, that are uncommon in mainstream porn. So the whole 'it's from porn' argument just fails in my opinion...it's so easily negated.

" In both cases, as SEM (sexually explicit material) viewing frequency increased, satisfaction diminished." Pornography reinforces feelings of inadequacy, decreases satisfaction with their sexual experiences and partners, and harms sexual partners--many people feel they can't compete with the freakishly thin or surgically modified bodies of porn stars. Porn gives young people an unrealistic perception of sex.

Again, not necessarily. These people likely already have existing issues with inadequacy or poor relationships. Fundamentally I can't see the correlation between porn and 'unrealistic sex', either.
You didn't read the study, which says that gender, religiosity, dating status, and age were controlled for.
The correlation between porn and unrealistic sex is that porn often depicts unrealistic acts, positions, or attitudes that can warp people's attitudes about sexuality.
I mean...no sex is actually unrealistic.
Sure it can be. There are a ton of scenes in which women are raped, beaten, or otherwise degraded--and then are shown enjoying it. You call that realistic? Do you think that's not harmful to the society by normalizing violence towards women?

You are kind of speaking on the assumption that there's not women out there who enjoy that kind of thing. I don't see any net harm, especially if people are capable of separating sex from their ability to respect the individual.
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6/27/2017 9:46:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I missed this part:

You didn't read the study, which says that gender, religiosity, dating status, and age were controlled for.
The correlation between porn and unrealistic sex is that porn often depicts unrealistic acts, positions, or attitudes that can warp people's attitudes about sexuality.

I looked at parts of it, and it was easy to see what it was getting at.

I think porn is far too broad of a thing, for people to generalize. Once again, mainstream porn hardly depicts 'unrealistic acts and positions'--believe me, they're pretty standard.
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6/27/2017 12:47:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 6/27/2017 9:46:46 AM, Emilrose wrote:
I missed this part:

You didn't read the study, which says that gender, religiosity, dating status, and age were controlled for.
The correlation between porn and unrealistic sex is that porn often depicts unrealistic acts, positions, or attitudes that can warp people's attitudes about sexuality.

I looked at parts of it, and it was easy to see what it was getting at.

I think porn is far too broad of a thing, for people to generalize. Once again, mainstream porn hardly depicts 'unrealistic acts and positions'--believe me, they're pretty standard.

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