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6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????
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6/7/2018 2:01:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


it's not about justice, it's about punishment, hence the problem
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6/7/2018 2:05:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2018 2:01:31 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


it's not about justice, it's about punishment, hence the problem

I don't think getting free lodging, TV, free education and free hot meals is punishment.
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6/7/2018 2:08:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2018 2:05:39 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
At 6/7/2018 2:01:31 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


it's not about justice, it's about punishment, hence the problem

I don't think getting free lodging, TV, free education and free hot meals is punishment.

maybe not adequate punishment but still.....certainly not just.
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6/7/2018 2:10:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2018 2:08:23 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 6/7/2018 2:05:39 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
At 6/7/2018 2:01:31 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


it's not about justice, it's about punishment, hence the problem

I don't think getting free lodging, TV, free education and free hot meals is punishment.

maybe not adequate punishment but still.....certainly not just.

100% for Capital punishment, you murder someone, no death row, no appeals for 20 years, as soon as you are found guilty, bullet in the head. Now that is JUSTICE
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6/7/2018 4:39:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
You are mistaking justice with retribution.

In order for there to be a true form of justice it must take place through a basic process of separation from the burden of responsibility of the retribution. There are two forms of justice Constitutional and tribunal.

A person must real want justice and not retribution as justice comes with an inherent risk when the retribution is dealt from the scales of separation. Your understanding of any justice is negating the fact of instigation as the momentum of cause.
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6/7/2018 5:22:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2018 4:39:51 PM, John_C_1812 wrote:
You are mistaking justice with retribution.

In order for there to be a true form of justice it must take place through a basic process of separation from the burden of responsibility of the retribution. There are two forms of justice Constitutional and tribunal.

A person must real want justice and not retribution as justice comes with an inherent risk when the retribution is dealt from the scales of separation. Your understanding of any justice is negating the fact of instigation as the momentum of cause.

I say let the angry mob take care of the murderer!!!
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6/7/2018 8:11:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2018 2:05:39 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
At 6/7/2018 2:01:31 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


it's not about justice, it's about punishment, hence the problem

I don't think getting free lodging, TV, free education and free hot meals is punishment.

You've clearly never been to jail or prison. We should lock your whiny asss up for just a day, and watch cracker cry like a bitch.
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6/7/2018 8:30:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2018 8:11:08 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 6/7/2018 2:05:39 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
At 6/7/2018 2:01:31 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


it's not about justice, it's about punishment, hence the problem

I don't think getting free lodging, TV, free education and free hot meals is punishment.

You've clearly never been to jail or prison. We should lock your whiny asss up for just a day, and watch cracker cry like a bitch.

Obviously you must have been raped in jail and know so much about it.
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6/7/2018 9:04:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2018 8:30:17 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
At 6/7/2018 8:11:08 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 6/7/2018 2:05:39 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
At 6/7/2018 2:01:31 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


it's not about justice, it's about punishment, hence the problem

I don't think getting free lodging, TV, free education and free hot meals is punishment.

You've clearly never been to jail or prison. We should lock your whiny asss up for just a day, and watch cracker cry like a bitch.

Obviously you must have been raped in jail and know so much about it.

You're boring kid. Flip flopping. You can't decide what to be. You're living the rich and famous in one thread, while in another you're cutting coupons. Integrity. It's value seem list these days
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6/8/2018 12:43:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


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6/8/2018 1:48:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


A. Prison is not a "time out place" our prison system is very bad and not a good place.
B. The reason we have protections during a trial is because people are innocent until proven guilty.
C. The main bit of your argument seems to focus on murder. So do you have stats that relate to the recidivism on murderers and not all crimes. And regardless are you saying that all people who commit crimes should be killed? or imprisoned forever? Because that's not justice. There is a difference between justice and retribution.
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6/8/2018 4:53:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


"essentially a time out place", you can be honest about something, be against something, argue for something different and NOT engage in deceptive conduct.

Putting aside you make jail sound like a relaxing get away for a while there are some practical issues to consider.

You talk about criminals being allowed to go free at one point implying this shouldn't happen, so either you kept them locked up forever or kill them.

In such a case where crimes have being committed but not murder, if a system where your not getting out ever again either by death or permanent jail once convicted suddenly you have a big motive to kill any witness/anyone who could provide evidence against you.

Did some one interrupt your robbery because you thought no one was there ? well better kill them.

Got into a fight, other guy is down on the ground injured, you might get convicted of something, you know what you have to do. Oh and that kid just saw you finish him off, well you know what needs to happen...

Every rape victim now becomes a murder victim...
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6/8/2018 12:54:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/8/2018 4:53:22 AM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


"essentially a time out place", you can be honest about something, be against something, argue for something different and NOT engage in deceptive conduct.

Putting aside you make jail sound like a relaxing get away for a while there are some practical issues to consider.

You talk about criminals being allowed to go free at one point implying this shouldn't happen, so either you kept them locked up forever or kill them.

In such a case where crimes have being committed but not murder, if a system where your not getting out ever again either by death or permanent jail once convicted suddenly you have a big motive to kill any witness/anyone who could provide evidence against you.

Did some one interrupt your robbery because you thought no one was there ? well better kill them.

Got into a fight, other guy is down on the ground injured, you might get convicted of something, you know what you have to do. Oh and that kid just saw you finish him off, well you know what needs to happen...

Every rape victim now becomes a murder victim...

I say we have a blood sport competition for all criminals. You fight in the octagon to the death, but like a battle royale, we throw all criminals in and the last one alive is released from prison, the rest die. Plus the pay perview for it would make tons of money!!!

This would reduce the prison population significantly and we would pay less in taxes to shelter, feed, and dress these criminals.

Jail is not supposed to be a hotel

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6/8/2018 12:59:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/8/2018 12:54:28 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
At 6/8/2018 4:53:22 AM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


"essentially a time out place", you can be honest about something, be against something, argue for something different and NOT engage in deceptive conduct.

Putting aside you make jail sound like a relaxing get away for a while there are some practical issues to consider.

You talk about criminals being allowed to go free at one point implying this shouldn't happen, so either you kept them locked up forever or kill them.

In such a case where crimes have being committed but not murder, if a system where your not getting out ever again either by death or permanent jail once convicted suddenly you have a big motive to kill any witness/anyone who could provide evidence against you.

Did some one interrupt your robbery because you thought no one was there ? well better kill them.

Got into a fight, other guy is down on the ground injured, you might get convicted of something, you know what you have to do. Oh and that kid just saw you finish him off, well you know what needs to happen...

Every rape victim now becomes a murder victim...

I say we have a blood sport competition for all criminals. You fight in the octagon to the death, but like a battle royale, we throw all criminals in and the last one alive is released from prison, the rest die. Plus the pay perview for it would make tons of money!!!

This would reduce the prison population significantly and we would pay less in taxes to shelter, feed, and dress these criminals.

Jail is not supposed to be a hotel

http://www.grunge.com...


Before you think that making prisons hell is the way to go, my above points apply again, if prison is so bad that death would be a better option, again some one committing a criminal act now has every motive to commit even more crime to not get caught for the original crime, eg kill the person you just raped. any person would might be able to give evidence for the first crime, kill them, etc etc

I have heard about those luxury prisons, my understanding it was more of a trial thing, and even then for what is considered less offences.
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6/8/2018 1:06:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/8/2018 12:59:30 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 6/8/2018 12:54:28 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
At 6/8/2018 4:53:22 AM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


"essentially a time out place", you can be honest about something, be against something, argue for something different and NOT engage in deceptive conduct.

Putting aside you make jail sound like a relaxing get away for a while there are some practical issues to consider.

You talk about criminals being allowed to go free at one point implying this shouldn't happen, so either you kept them locked up forever or kill them.

In such a case where crimes have being committed but not murder, if a system where your not getting out ever again either by death or permanent jail once convicted suddenly you have a big motive to kill any witness/anyone who could provide evidence against you.

Did some one interrupt your robbery because you thought no one was there ? well better kill them.

Got into a fight, other guy is down on the ground injured, you might get convicted of something, you know what you have to do. Oh and that kid just saw you finish him off, well you know what needs to happen...

Every rape victim now becomes a murder victim...

I say we have a blood sport competition for all criminals. You fight in the octagon to the death, but like a battle royale, we throw all criminals in and the last one alive is released from prison, the rest die. Plus the pay perview for it would make tons of money!!!

This would reduce the prison population significantly and we would pay less in taxes to shelter, feed, and dress these criminals.

Jail is not supposed to be a hotel

http://www.grunge.com...


Before you think that making prisons hell is the way to go, my above points apply again, if prison is so bad that death would be a better option, again some one committing a criminal act now has every motive to commit even more crime to not get caught for the original crime, eg kill the person you just raped. any person would might be able to give evidence for the first crime, kill them, etc etc

I have heard about those luxury prisons, my understanding it was more of a trial thing, and even then for what is considered less offences.

I still think the best method would be to send all criminals to Greenland, kind of like when the British sent their convicts to Australia. Criminals do not rehabilitate and the recidivism rate proves that. Ship them off to Greenland and just dump them there. This would greatly reduce our taxes. beside there is no rehabilitation for a killer or a pedophile or a rapist, they will always be like that, so just deport them to Greenland and leave them there.
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6/8/2018 1:14:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/8/2018 1:06:31 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
At 6/8/2018 12:59:30 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 6/8/2018 12:54:28 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
At 6/8/2018 4:53:22 AM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 6/7/2018 1:19:11 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Why is it that a criminal can kill, torture someone, break into their home, rape, do whatever and get a second chance after jail? In case of a murder, the victim's family will never have the person back, yet the criminal gets protection while on trial, they serve their time in essentially a time out place with meals and TV for free and then they get out and are free to roam and kill and break the law again. The recividism rate is at 89% in this country, it's not like the criminal gets out of jail and never does anything illegal again.

Yet the victim is gone forever.

How is that justice????


"essentially a time out place", you can be honest about something, be against something, argue for something different and NOT engage in deceptive conduct.

Putting aside you make jail sound like a relaxing get away for a while there are some practical issues to consider.

You talk about criminals being allowed to go free at one point implying this shouldn't happen, so either you kept them locked up forever or kill them.

In such a case where crimes have being committed but not murder, if a system where your not getting out ever again either by death or permanent jail once convicted suddenly you have a big motive to kill any witness/anyone who could provide evidence against you.

Did some one interrupt your robbery because you thought no one was there ? well better kill them.

Got into a fight, other guy is down on the ground injured, you might get convicted of something, you know what you have to do. Oh and that kid just saw you finish him off, well you know what needs to happen...

Every rape victim now becomes a murder victim...

I say we have a blood sport competition for all criminals. You fight in the octagon to the death, but like a battle royale, we throw all criminals in and the last one alive is released from prison, the rest die. Plus the pay perview for it would make tons of money!!!

This would reduce the prison population significantly and we would pay less in taxes to shelter, feed, and dress these criminals.

Jail is not supposed to be a hotel

http://www.grunge.com...


Before you think that making prisons hell is the way to go, my above points apply again, if prison is so bad that death would be a better option, again some one committing a criminal act now has every motive to commit even more crime to not get caught for the original crime, eg kill the person you just raped. any person would might be able to give evidence for the first crime, kill them, etc etc

I have heard about those luxury prisons, my understanding it was more of a trial thing, and even then for what is considered less offences.

I still think the best method would be to send all criminals to Greenland, kind of like when the British sent their convicts to Australia. Criminals do not rehabilitate and the recidivism rate proves that. Ship them off to Greenland and just dump them there. This would greatly reduce our taxes. beside there is no rehabilitation for a killer or a pedophile or a rapist, they will always be like that, so just deport them to Greenland and leave them there.

"Criminals do not rehabilitate", sure, except for the ones that do. Might want to work on the truthiness of your generalised statements.

Here let me help, there are some type of criminals that do not rehabilitate, see ? not that hard.

And again, I submit to you the problem of making the punishment so bad for the original crime, you create a perversive incentive for some one to go all out and commit other crimes to make sure they don't get caught for the original crime.

Now granted maybe your deport to whever isn't as bad as your running man inspired punishment, but again will this suffer from the previous problem of creating an environment that once a crime is committed, people will have every reason to commit even worse crimes to cover up the original crime.
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6/8/2018 1:34:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Now granted maybe your deport to whever isn't as bad as your running man inspired punishment, but again will this suffer from the previous problem of creating an environment that once a crime is committed, people will have every reason to commit even worse crimes to cover up the original crime.

Your theory is flawed, you say criminals would commit an even worse crime to cover up the original. That wouldn't happen.

Why isn't it happening now then, crimes happen everyday. The mob tries to kill witnesses, but other then them criminals are just stupid people who dropped out of school, who can't function in society so they have to resort to crime to get by.

Why are rapists and pedophiles not killing more than if they wanted to cover up their crime now???

The recidivism rate proves that criminals are a type of people who do not rehabilitate. We have plenty of honest people who are law abiding citizens and don't commit crimes, then you have the criminals who will always be criminals, how many convicts have pages and pages of criminal convictions, how many times do we need to send the same person to prison?? People DON'T CHANGE!!! A criminal will always be a criminal
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6/8/2018 1:45:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/8/2018 1:34:55 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Now granted maybe your deport to whever isn't as bad as your running man inspired punishment, but again will this suffer from the previous problem of creating an environment that once a crime is committed, people will have every reason to commit even worse crimes to cover up the original crime.

Your theory is flawed, you say criminals would commit an even worse crime to cover up the original. That wouldn't happen.

Why isn't it happening now then, crimes happen everyday. The mob tries to kill witnesses, but other then them criminals are just stupid people who dropped out of school, who can't function in society so they have to resort to crime to get by.


Why are rapists and pedophiles not killing more than if they wanted to cover up their crime now???

I don't know but if I had to guess, if your applying rationality to it.

Cause if you kill some one there is the more punishment you will get if caught.

But this added punishment deterrent doesn't apply in some of your proposals cause the punishment is so bad for the original, there isn't much difference (if any) between the punishment for the original crime or original crime plus other crimes to cover up the original crime.


The recidivism rate proves that criminals are a type of people who do not rehabilitate. We have plenty of honest people who are law abiding citizens and don't commit crimes, then you have the criminals who will always be criminals, how many convicts have pages and pages of criminal convictions, how many times do we need to send the same person to prison?? People DON'T CHANGE!!! A criminal will always be a criminal


Your kinda blurring the liens between the claim about a criminal generally and criminals who committed specific crimes.

But as I said before, some criminals have and can be rehabilitated. I know that might be unwelcome to you, it's a lot easier to advocate your argument if you just see criminals as nothing but can never change scum, but you know, f*cking reality.
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6/8/2018 2:13:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Within three years of release, about two-thirds (67.8 percent) of released prisoners were rearrested. Within five years of release, about three-quarters (76.6 percent) of released prisoners were rearrested. Of those prisoners who were rearrested, more than half (56.7 percent) were arrested by the end of the first year

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6/8/2018 2:31:27 PM
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At 6/8/2018 2:13:18 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Within three years of release, about two-thirds (67.8 percent) of released prisoners were rearrested. Within five years of release, about three-quarters (76.6 percent) of released prisoners were rearrested. Of those prisoners who were rearrested, more than half (56.7 percent) were arrested by the end of the first year

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Maybe you need to look into how to better rehab, cause as I heard one prison warden once say, once a person comes in here, we control their lives, what they eat, when they sleep, what they can or can't watch, what they wear, what they read, etc etc

So if they go out worse than they did coming in, what does that say about the system ?

Maybe some places have better reciv rates than other places, maybe there is something that can learned there ? I dunno, or there is the kill them all option.
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6/8/2018 2:37:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/8/2018 2:31:27 PM, illegalcombat wrote:
At 6/8/2018 2:13:18 PM, FanboyMctroll wrote:
Within three years of release, about two-thirds (67.8 percent) of released prisoners were rearrested. Within five years of release, about three-quarters (76.6 percent) of released prisoners were rearrested. Of those prisoners who were rearrested, more than half (56.7 percent) were arrested by the end of the first year

mic drop

Maybe you need to look into how to better rehab, cause as I heard one prison warden once say, once a person comes in here, we control their lives, what they eat, when they sleep, what they can or can't watch, what they wear, what they read, etc etc

So if they go out worse than they did coming in, what does that say about the system ?

Maybe some places have better reciv rates than other places, maybe there is something that can learned there ? I dunno, or there is the kill them all option.

All I know is you can't change people, everybody is the way they are and everyone has choices in life, you can be good or you can be a criminal. all I know is that prison doesn't work, it makes people inside worse and when they come out they end up committing crimes and going back in. I don't know what the solution is, I just think there will be good people and bad people, nothing we can change. Some people are just evil and they always will be, we can't rehabilitate or change a psychopath or a lifetime criminal
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6/8/2018 11:29:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The confusion in at least a United State, if not part of the United States is the so called justice system is not really a justice system at all. This is not a defendable principle for the general public. By basic principle for every two people who ever officially visit a court. Only one of the two may receive justice. Add to this the humanitarian will to interpret and that 50/50 drops even lower as a united state. Shared idea or principle. Really the idea if court by its state is an office of impartial separation. Set by a governing force.

The justice system is a name provided to a serves of separation set forth by the declaration of Independence, in a line through the introduction of facts with the United State Constitution. Complete or incomplete in its text and terminologies to a general welfare of any population. As a market idea for those who work in that industry or politics. This is not meant to be an offensive recollection.

As those who work in that system shape laws to instill the idea of justice the move the public away from the general idea of separation by basic principle. They are still committed to a common defense to the general welfare by hope. Through all this the simplest mind still can grasp the concept of separation to maintain impartiality. And as the depths of separation take effect a way to provide a suitable form of justice through the variation to both ends of any distances extreme. Leisure: suffering, life: death, compassion: hostility.

"All I know is you can"t change people."
How untrue; independence change everyone it touches. Sometimes it is the most effective cost for right and wrong as it can be taken to the greatest extreme by impartial separation.
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6/10/2018 4:05:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The problem is whenever we agree that the judicial separation is a justice system as a group. We are making a point we never prove, as it is unprovable it is an idea that translates into belief as a limited goal between a few, and not unite state of all. It doesn"t mean no justice held in the process it means not everyone who enters the judicial separation will ever agree they have received justice, so a united state cannot be reached in discussion.

What does this mean by self-evident truth? It means that the so called justice system is debated against separation process, this is by established fact, by established truth, a governed separation process is a realistic common goal, and self-value of that system as well. As all people who attend the proceeding can agree separation takes place on all levels of entry. Not that I would say you are wrong yet, Good and bad may not be a reasonable conclusion for impartial separation. Right and Wrong are a more realistic goal to express the idea of a justice system not separation system. Also not all separation need be impartial and this is where are complications begin judicially.

It is a wrong person who is seen as bad as they inflict harm to others. It is a good person who is seen as right as the preserve tranquility to barrow a word from the United States constitution. The centuries have mislead the masses of people in a united way. The United States Separation process never need law to work and perform series of separation of right and wrong.

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