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GWL-CPA
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2/12/2013 6:35:57 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 2/3/2013 8:19:56 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/3/2013 8:17:44 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:58:29 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:34:41 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
There seems to be a lot of folks thinking that the decriminalizing of marijuana will actually cut down on drug use and is much better than putting repeat drug users in jail. They seem to imply that most of the people put in jail for drugs are just casual users that just need medical help not jail.

Wtf?

No, fool.

Marijuana should be decriminalized, because there's nothing criminal about smoking marijuana, and it's among the least harmful recreational substances that exist. Of course it wouldn't cut down on marijuana use, nor should it. People who smoke weed do not need any medical help whatsoever.

But, people who drink too much or for too long often do.

Actually, Clean and Sober are how life was meant to be lived - too bad you are addicted to drugs. You need to seek therapy.


Says who?

Who says "Clean and Sober" is the best way to live life? Here are ten references that might help you understand:

1.Promises Treatment Centers http://www.promises.com...

2.Clean and Sober is a 1988 American drama film directed by Glenn Gordon Caron starring Michael Keaton as a real estate agent and his trouble with substance abuse. This film was a dramatic departure from comedies for Keaton. The supporting cast includes Kathy Baker, M. Emmet Walsh, Morgan Freeman and Tate Donovan.

3.Clean and Sober " Not Dead " We are Not a Glum Lot! http://www.cleanandsobernotdead.com...

4.How to Get a Clean (And Sober) Start - Collin County substance abuse programs help patients get on the road to recovery. http://www.dmagazine.com...

5.THIS IS MY TIME TO SHINE, CLEAN AND SOBER http://recoverynowtv.com...

6.Really Good Advice for Getting Clean and Sober - Raise your consciousness in order to break through your denial http://www.spiritualriver.com...

7.WELCOME TO RECOVERY! http://cleanandsoberhousing.org...

8.Is Living A Clean And Sober Life Really That Bad http://thecleanlife.hubpages.com...

9.Clean & Sober Living http://www.ehow.com...

10.Peer Support in Addiction Recovery: Clean and Sober http://students.southmountaincc.edu...
When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years."

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2/12/2013 12:30:55 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 2/12/2013 3:10:08 AM, GWL-CPA wrote:
I am sorry you do not agree with me; you are entitled to your own opinion.

You have presented no proof for you position on anything yet. So I am tired of your nonsense.

Nonsense. It is your burden of proof. You are trying to make a claim, and yet, you have provided no a shred of evidence for your position, and further more, refuse to defend it when it is challenged.

My evidence is your lack of evidence. There is no observable harm, ergo, it is not harmful. Defend your case, or still your tongue.
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2/12/2013 12:33:47 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 2/12/2013 4:36:56 AM, GWL-CPA wrote:
You must not read well; I am not backing down from anything.

Oh yes you are. Anytime I challenge any of your claims, you refuse to defend them. You back down, saying "we'll just have to disagree", without even attempting to put up a fight.

Some "master debater" you are. *rollseyes*

I have presented by proof; if you disagree; so be it. Jesus lady, you are a piece of work!

No, you have presented no valid evidence for your position, either on homosexuality or gambling. You provided absolutely no evidence for h=the homosexual issue, and when it came to gambling, while you cited information about gambling and those who become addicted to it, you did not give information for why it was innately immoral.

So, no, you've presented no proof for either of your cases. You've literally done nothing but write huge paragraphs of nonsense.
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2/12/2013 1:39:31 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 2/12/2013 6:35:57 AM, GWL-CPA wrote:
At 2/3/2013 8:19:56 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/3/2013 8:17:44 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:58:29 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:34:41 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
There seems to be a lot of folks thinking that the decriminalizing of marijuana will actually cut down on drug use and is much better than putting repeat drug users in jail. They seem to imply that most of the people put in jail for drugs are just casual users that just need medical help not jail.

Wtf?

No, fool.

Marijuana should be decriminalized, because there's nothing criminal about smoking marijuana, and it's among the least harmful recreational substances that exist. Of course it wouldn't cut down on marijuana use, nor should it. People who smoke weed do not need any medical help whatsoever.

But, people who drink too much or for too long often do.

Actually, Clean and Sober are how life was meant to be lived - too bad you are addicted to drugs. You need to seek therapy.


Says who?

Who says "Clean and Sober" is the best way to live life? Here are ten references that might help you understand:

1.Promises Treatment Centers http://www.promises.com...

2.Clean and Sober is a 1988 American drama film directed by Glenn Gordon Caron starring Michael Keaton as a real estate agent and his trouble with substance abuse. This film was a dramatic departure from comedies for Keaton. The supporting cast includes Kathy Baker, M. Emmet Walsh, Morgan Freeman and Tate Donovan.

3.Clean and Sober " Not Dead " We are Not a Glum Lot! http://www.cleanandsobernotdead.com...

4.How to Get a Clean (And Sober) Start - Collin County substance abuse programs help patients get on the road to recovery. http://www.dmagazine.com...

5.THIS IS MY TIME TO SHINE, CLEAN AND SOBER http://recoverynowtv.com...

6.Really Good Advice for Getting Clean and Sober - Raise your consciousness in order to break through your denial http://www.spiritualriver.com...

7.WELCOME TO RECOVERY! http://cleanandsoberhousing.org...

8.Is Living A Clean And Sober Life Really That Bad http://thecleanlife.hubpages.com...

9.Clean & Sober Living http://www.ehow.com...

10.Peer Support in Addiction Recovery: Clean and Sober http://students.southmountaincc.edu...

I don't see how this proves life was meant to be lived clean and sober.
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2/12/2013 1:42:13 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 2/10/2013 6:42:19 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
At 2/10/2013 5:38:44 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/8/2013 5:15:27 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:10:48 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:03:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/5/2013 6:06:29 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Really? Surely you jest!

You did point out one interesting fact, too many kids in high school both in America and Portugal do pot! And, you think legalizing pot in America is going to decrease that %?



I am through with this BS.

You have your articles and I have more that say that the legal use of pot in Portugal and the Netherlands has not work; and, that marijuana is a very addictive drug that should be banned forever; and, that marijuana has no valid use for medical reasons.

So, you can believe whatever you want. I don't care! The fact that most states and most countries have made marijuana illegal means I have won the debate.

Prove me wrong. I don't care about your one-side articles with BS evidence which proves nothing and your stupid unscientific polls

I am betting you are a stoner too!</strong

If you really think that, this shows your judgemen is crap.

Folks like me believe that much stricter controls and enforcement are needed. We believe that prohibition is the only answer. China, through prohibition, eliminated it opium addiction problem in 1956. And, China does not allow marijuana for recreational or medical reasons, because they know all illegal drugs are bad for their country. Of course, they also used training programs to educate everyone as to the evils of the drug and put the addicted in hospitals for treatment, and then gave them jobs. But, those who would not stop were thrown in jail for long periods, and if that did not work, they were executed, which should be what happens in the USA. But, the death penalty would be reserved for only the hardened drug dealers and those who robbed and murdered others to get more drugs.

You will have a very hard time convincing the Bible-Belt States that marijuana should be legalized for medical purposes; and the Congress members from those states will not vote for its legalization at the Federal level despite having a former drug addicted President.

I am not sure that debating at this site proves anything. Too many stoners at this site!

I will say that the majority of people in America are against legalizing marijuana for recreational and medicinal purposes based on the number of states that have passed legislation; not stupid unscientific polls that show otherwise. The proof is in the results.

Only 18 states and DC have passed Medical Marijuana and two states recreational (Washington and Colorado) out of 50 states and DC or 51. 21 our 50 states and DC is 21/51 or only 41%. So, based on legalization results, 59% are against legalizing pot for any reason. I have won! And, if you throw in the 5 US territories where marijuana is illegal, then you have 21/56 or only 37.5% - so 62.5% are against. I have won again! Marijuana is illegal in Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam, and the Mariana Islands. Based on legislative results, I have won this debate hands down.

Then for more proof, let's look at countries where marijuana is illegal: Albania, Austria, Bolivia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Chile, China, Colombia, Comoros, Cuba, Cyprus, Denmark, Dominica, Egypt, Ethiopia, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, Indonesia, Ireland, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Latvia, Lebanon, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malaysia, Malta, Montenegro, Nepal, New Zealand, North Korea, Norway, Pakistan, Paraguay, Philippines, Poland, Puerto Rico, Romania, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Singapore, Slovakia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Sweden, Syria, Taiwan, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, Ukraine, Venezuela, and Vietnam. I had to add South Korea, where it is illegal.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

I did an analysis of the 82 countries noted at the above site and classified them into Legal and Illegal, which includes a few that allow it specifically for medical purposes, and I did not include the USA or Australia, where it is mostly illegal. My analysis revealed that 61 countries (61/82) or 74% prohibit marijuana for any reason. So, I have won the argument based on countries. You lose!

You need to read the following article carefully; then maybe you will see the light; but, I doubt it, especially if you are an illegal recreational pot user; and if you live any where in the USA and are using pot, you are using it illegally under Federal Law!

You are most likely a stoner; and, stoners will never get it!

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com...

http://teens.webmd.com...

http://www.prisonpolicy.org...

https://www.ncjrs.gov...

http://www.justice.gov...

http://www.csam-asam.org...

http://adai.uw.edu... (Marijuana and Aggression)

http://blog.seattlepi.com...

http://conium.org... (Cocaine, Marijuana, and Heroin)

http://www.justthinktwice.com... (Fiction: Drug Legalization Works)

http://www.braha.com.br... (Decriminalization of Drugs in Portugal - the Real Facts!)
Whatever, again you are 16, wait 5 years and get back to me.

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I have proven my point; sorry you don't agree. So we will have to agree to disagree!

I destroyed the article you keep posting earlier...


You stoners are all full of BS!

I'm not a stoner.
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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2/12/2013 3:18:39 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Remember what a funny movie office space was?
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2/12/2013 4:48:48 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 2/12/2013 1:31:49 PM, DanT wrote:
It's unconstitutional, nough said.

What are you talking about; I have proposed nothing that is unconstitutional!

Please tell us what you think is unconstitutional and where I said to do it?

And, then we can discuss it.
When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years."

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2/12/2013 6:16:08 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 2/11/2013 12:41:28 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 2/11/2013 8:33:11 AM, GWL-CPA wrote:

BRING IT WITH YOU NEXT TIME AND I'LL SHOW YOU SINCE YOUR ABILITY TO READ IS AT ISSUE.

I was with you until you got rude! And, I am hoping the revolution starts soon. And, you need to reread the DEA report, I am not sure you are reading the same one I am reading.

http://www.justice.gov...


As far as the border, over 100,000 to 200,000 illegal Mexican immigrants still get across the US-Mexican border annually, as do most of the drugs that come into America. That is 500,000 to 1,000,000 more illegals every 5 years. Too many. We let 1,000,000 people legally into America annually via Legal Immigration. That is enough. My wife and two step-children are here legally from Winnipeg, MB, Canada. I am totally for legal immigration. Anyway, the fence and the troops are needed to stop more low life Mexicans from getting into America illegally and the illegal drugs. And, I lived in San Antonio, TX for 9 years and have many Mexican friends who feel exactly like I do. As a matter of fact, I was best man at my best friend's wedding in San Antonio, he is Mexican.

(PS - we just recently doubled the size of our border patrol force on our southern border. You know what the effect was? nada...zip...zilch...nothing. it is throwing good money after bad. it's stupid, and I know this because I've seen the failure of it before.)

Your facts about the security along the border may be correct, but, I doubt it; and we need at least 40,000 agents or troops doing patrols 24-7 and a fully equipped double border fence along the entire 2,000 miles.

Border fences work if they are build right and have the proper number of guards and troops doing patrols. The Berlin wall worked great and the border fences and security used by Israel work very well.

Even Canada's border security is much better than America's. But, Canada also has great work laws and they enforce them. Very few illegals get jobs in Canada. And, if you try to get financial aid in Canada and you are an illegal, you are sent packing and it doesn't take years to deport you. That is how it should work in America; but Politically correct morons like President Obama haven't figured that out yet. Or, has he? If the truth were told, it is all about getting more votes for the Democratic party. And, before you start, I voted for him in the last election, because I believe he is the only hope for Universal Health Care, a single payer health care system.

People that claim that border fences don't work are totally ignorant and don't know what they are talking about and that includes President Obama. If you talk to security and military experts, the US-Mexican Border fence will work if it is build right and manned with enough troops or border agents doing patrols 24-7. Many countries have or have had successful border fences.

"Israeli West Bank barrier - Effects on Israeli security"

"Israeli statistics indicate that since the construction of the barrier the number of Palestinian infiltrations and suicide bombings and other attacks on civilians in Israel and in Israeli settlements has substantially reduced, and Israeli officials assert that completion of the barrier will make it even more effective in stopping these attacks[34] since "An absolute halt in terrorist activities has been noticed in the West Bank areas where the fence has been constructed".
http://en.wikipedia.org...

I had to laugh at President Obama's tongue-in-cheek statement that building a mote and filling it with alligators would not work. It is true and funny because of the obvious! The US-Mexican border is 2,000 miles or 3,520,000 yards long. Assuming you would need 10 alligators for every 100 yards for it to be effective, you would need 352,000 alligators, which is more than the total estimated population of 200,000 alligators in the Florida Everglades. And, the cost to feed 352,000 alligators! And, the smell from rotting meat, what a mess!

However, finishing the double border fence and building observation towers every one-half mile that are equipped with high power Search Lights, high powered surveillance cameras, long range motion detectors, GPR " ground-penetrating radar to detect the building of underground tunnels, etc. and having them manned 24-7, now that would work quite well. Then add about 40,000 more border agents, with thousands of armored, machine gun equipped desert all-terrain vehicles and 1 or 2 thousand well-trained guard dogs doing patrols 24-7 along the entire 2,000 mile long US-Mexican border. Guess what would happen then?

Very few illegal aliens and illegal drugs are getting across the US-Mexican border!

And, please don't tell me that nonsense that they will then take boats or get on submarines to get into America. Despite the obvious, most illegal aliens could not afford passage on ships or submarines, and, the Coast Guard does a great job stopping boat engaged in illegal activities. It is one thing trying to smuggle 2 tons of cocaine worth $245 million on a submarine that cost $ 4 million dollars to build, which would be confiscated by the US government if caught; using that $4 million dollar submarine to smuggle maybe 30 illegal aliens for $30-$40,000 in passage fees is not cost effective.

So guess what again?

Very few illegal aliens and illegal drugs are getting into America via ships and submarines!

And, the total annual cost of this the fence, equipment and 40,000 additional border agents would be far less than estimated $100 billion net (i.e. net after deducting state and federal income taxes collected from illegals) that is spent annually by the Federal, State, and local governments supporting illegal immigrants.

America does not owe anything to Mexico or the Mexican citizens that cross the US-Mexican border illegally.

America has the best legal immigration system in the world based on total number of legal immigrants allowed annually.
When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years."

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

Mark Twain
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2/12/2013 9:49:09 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 2/10/2013 6:41:22 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/10/2013 6:36:17 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/10/2013 6:21:30 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 2/10/2013 6:05:19 PM, Oryus wrote:
There are far worse, more addictive things to go on tangents about than marijuana.

Take poker for example.

As an example, my aunt lost her job, her house, her husband, her kids, and became a convicted felon for theft. She was homeless and living on the streets for years because of her addiction to gambling. To this day, she has difficulty getting a job because of her criminal record. She was addicted to gambling. It's a sad thing, really. People who play poker are just playing with fire. It really shows a weakness in character to play poker. It's kind of pathetic that these thoughtless people would risk everything just to play a silly game. What a waste of life.

Am I right or what?

Absolutely. Gambling is an addicting behavior.
http://www.addictionsearch.com...

Thank you. At least one intelligent person has the courage to point out what a scourge on the population gambling is. Gamblers are weak-willed addicts who only bring our society down.

Here's another story of a life almost wasted because of their idiotic choice to lower themselves to the level of gambling: http://www.pokerplayer.co.uk...

These addicts make me sick.

We need to clean up these horrible addicts. Online cybergangs and mafia-run casinos are overruning this country just so that some silly addicts can get some cheap thrills from losing their money. I suggest putting all gamblers in straightjackets in mental institutions so that they cannot gamble. This video proves that gamblers can because compulsive liars and thieves. These criminals are draining our society. The first offense should be a year in a mental institution and the second gambling offense should be jail for life. We should also censor the internet so that cybercriminals cannot set up gambling sites.

Go screwed yourself! You are not funny!

Pot is an addictive mind altering drug and is more addictive than gambling, which is why increased criminal penalties are needed. And, all drug dealers do need life in jail. And, children are not allowed in Casinos; but managed to get lots of pots from AH dealers, that should be shot. Controls over internet gambling need to strengthened, like the controls in Nevada.

But, Gambling addiction is a huge problem in America. Sorry, you don't understand that! Just like that old lady.

So your attempt at humor has failed. Go suck an egg!
When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years."

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2/12/2013 9:51:11 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 2/4/2013 12:42:35 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/4/2013 12:40:52 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/4/2013 12:28:48 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/4/2013 12:22:43 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/3/2013 8:46:14 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
You Drug addicts are all the same. Too bad you are missing out on a clean and sober

I support drug legalization. I have never done drugs or alcohol (a few small sips once). I never plan to do so again and will forever stay away from illicit drugs. Also, I'm asthmatic so I cannot consume smoked drugs anyway. Stop assuming we're all drugies. The vast majority of us aren't.

Nice. Go 16k- the only person with enough patience to respond to this jerk haha

Thanks.

Fixed my post - writing on a phone made it tough.

And you wrote that on your phone?

Someone get this man a medal.

Such children!
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2/13/2013 1:05:34 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 2/12/2013 1:39:31 PM, SarcasticIndeed wrote:
At 2/12/2013 6:35:57 AM, GWL-CPA wrote:
At 2/3/2013 8:19:56 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/3/2013 8:17:44 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:58:29 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:34:41 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
There seems to be a lot of folks thinking that the decriminalizing of marijuana will actually cut down on drug use and is much better than putting repeat drug users in jail. They seem to imply that most of the people put in jail for drugs are just casual users that just need medical help not jail.

Wtf?

No, fool.

Marijuana should be decriminalized, because there's nothing criminal about smoking marijuana, and it's among the least harmful recreational substances that exist. Of course it wouldn't cut down on marijuana use, nor should it. People who smoke weed do not need any medical help whatsoever.

But, people who drink too much or for too long often do.

Actually, Clean and Sober are how life was meant to be lived - too bad you are addicted to drugs. You need to seek therapy.


Says who?

Who says "Clean and Sober" is the best way to live life? Here are ten references that might help you understand:

1.Promises Treatment Centers http://www.promises.com...


I don't see how this proves life was meant to be lived clean and sober.

So how is life meant to be if not clean and sober?

What can you do in life that is better stoned or drunk?

Are you saying life is meant to be stoned on drugs and or drunk?

In my statement, the sober part means not being drunk; it does not mean you can't drink booze.

With booze, you don't have to be drunk " you can have moderation, which is a virtue. With illegal drugs, you are either stoned or you are not that is why people take drugs. Being stoned on drugs is an excess, a vice.

It is not actually clear why anyone needs to take illegal drugs.

Although I do not drink booze or do illegal drugs, there is nothing wrong with having a standard glass of wine or two or couple beers or mixed drinks with a meal or socializing.

Unfortunately, too many people think it is cool, especially college kids today, to binge drink and get drunk. Some think it is cool to get drunk, pass out, and then get up and start again. With the college kids and other party animals, this in many cases is mixed with pot and coke. Unfortunately, for many of these kids, this behavior continues after college, which is why America has a huge problem with illegal drugs and alcohol abuse.

Many TV ads, TV shows, and too many movies portray drinking, doing drugs, and partying as being what life is all about; it is not. All those same activities and more can be done clean and sober, or drinking socially in moderation, e.g., having only 1 or 2 drinks.

Even the famous Greek philosopher Aristotle knew that value of moderation when he wrote his Nicomachean Ethics, which consists of ten books, originally scrolls, about how men should best live.

"Temperance, also translated as soundness of mind, moderation, discretion) is a mean with regards to pleasure. .. The vice which occurs most often in the same situations is excess with regards to pleasure (akolasia, translated licentiousness, intemperance, profligacy, dissipation etc.). Pleasures can be divided into those of the soul and of the body. But those who are concerned with pleasures of the soul, honor, learning, for example, or even excessive pleasure in talking, are not usually referred to as the objects of being temperate or dissipate. Also, not all bodily pleasures are relevant, for example delighting in sights or sounds or smells are not things we are temperate or profligate about, unless it would be the smell of food or perfume which triggers another yearning. Temperance and dissipation concern the animal-like, Aphrodisiac, pleasures of touch and taste, and indeed especially a certain type of touch, because dissipated people do not delight in refined distinguishing of flavors, and nor indeed do they delight in feelings one gets during a workout or massage in a gymnasium.[47]
"Chapter 11. Some desires like that food and drink, and indeed sex, are shared by everyone in a certain way. But not everyone has the same particular manifestations of these desires. In the "natural desires" says Aristotle, few people go wrong, and then normally in one direction, towards too much. What is just to fulfill one's need, whereas people err by either desiring beyond this need, or else desiring what they ought not desire. But regarding pains, temperance is different than courage. A temperate person does not need to endure pains, but rather the intemperate person feels pain even with his pleasures, but also by his excess longing. The opposite is rare, and therefore there is no special name for a person insensitive to pleasures and delight. The temperate person will desire the things which are not impediments to health, nor contrary to what is beautiful, nor beyond that person's resources. Such a person judges according to right reason (orthos logos)."
"Chapter 12. Intemperance is a more willingly chosen vice than cowardice, because it positively seeks pleasure, while cowardice avoids pain, and pain can derange a person's choice. So we reproach intemperance more, because it is easier to habituate oneself so as to avoid this problem. The way children act also has some likeness to the vice of akolasia. Just as a child needs to live by instructions, the desiring part of the human soul must be in harmony with the rational part. Desire without understanding can become insatiable, and can even impair reason."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

"Virtue ethics is an approach that deemphasizes rules, consequences and particular acts and places the focus on the kind of person who is acting. The issue is not primarily whether an intention is right, though that is important; nor is it primarily whether one is following the correct rule; nor is it primarily whether the consequences of action are good, though these factors are not irrelevant."

"You cannot be morally reasonable in the fullest sense, you cannot have the virtue called prudence, unless you are morally virtuous. The person who is not morally virtuous is sometimes ruled by his or her appetites or passions. Her emotions get in the way of doing the reasonable thing or even recognizing what the reasonable thing might be."

Aristotle had his "Golden Mean (middle)." Virtue was the Mean, Deficiency and Excess were vices. Breaking "Seeking Pleasure" down into those three categories, you have:

Vice Deficiency = Insensibility

Virtue = Moderation

Vice Excess = Self-Indulgence

Anyway, booze in moderation is not a vice, but a virtue unless you are drunk. Since when you do illegal drugs like marijuana, heroin, cocaine, methamphetamines, etc. you are wacked or stoned, they can't ever be done in moderation.

For Aristotle, contemplation was the highest virtue.

"The highest form of happiness is contemplation (philosophical wisdom). This involves scientific understanding -- the intuitive grasp of eternal first principles combined with demonstration. Of all the pleasures in life, contemplation is the most continuous and self-sufficient. It aims at nothing outside of itself. It realizes a divine element in us. It directs our highest activity toward the highest objects. Philosophical wisdom combined with a virtuous character is complete happiness."
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When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years."

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

Mark Twain

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