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8/31/2017 2:51:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Aloha!

As always, I hope you enjoyed the game! Please wait until I've posted everything before commenting. Thanks!

SUMMARY

Winner: Mafia
Second Place: Mafia

Town MVP: Khaos
Mafia MVP: Sui
Overall MVP: Sui

MAFIA

LM - You are LASCIEL, one of thirty fallen angels who resides inside one of thirty pieces of silver, the Blackened Denarii. You invade the mind of whoever makes flesh contact with your coin, and you use your beauty and guile to seduce them into partnering with you. When Harry grabbed your coin, he knew that you had entered his mind. Desperate, he buried your coin inside a magic circle, hoping the circle would cut you off from him. Yet, a shadow of you remained inside his head, free to continue to beguile him and whisper in his subconcious's ear. In a way, you bypassed the protections Harry had sought to erect against you. Therefore, you are the 1-shot STRONGMAN. If you carry out the NK, you will bypass any protective abilities your target may have on them. You win with the mafia.

Warren - You are SHAGNASTY, a naagloshii. Naagloshii, also known as skinwalkers, are immortal, semi-divine beings native to the Americas and mentioned in Navajo folklore. Naagloshii are vile beings, but powerful. Naagloshii are also shapeshifters. There is no image you cannot replicate in precise detail, as Shagnasty demonstrated in his battle against Wizard Listens-to-Wind. Because you are a shapeshifter, you are the MIMIC. On NP1, you may target any other player, excluding only yourself, and you will take on their role, along with any flavors they might have. If you do not use your role NP1, you forfeit the use of your role for the game. You win with the mafia.

[Mod-Note: Converted to even-day Hunter after mimicking Dani]

Sui - You are CORPSETAKER, also known as Capiocorpus. You are a powerful necromancer and one of the Heirs of Kemmler. You once attempted to use Kemmler's Darkhallow ritual to turn yourself into a minor God, only to be foiled in the attempt by Harry and his allies. You are particularly skilled in psychic attacks; namely, attacks designed to evict people's minds from their bodies, so that you can take up residence instead. Your name is therefore incredibly apt. Being able to switch bodies allows you to disguise yourself beautifully, and to acquire various skills and body types as you may need them. Because you can frequently change bodies to suit your needs, you are the mafia JOAT. You have the following 1-shot abilities: Role Cop, Lawyer, and Ninja. As the Role Cop, you may target another player; you will learn their role but not their affiliation. As the Lawyer, you may target another player; the night you target them, they will appear as town-affiliated to investigative roles. As a Ninja, you cannot be seen by a Watcher or Tracker if you carry out the NK. You win with the mafia.

TOWN

Smithers - You are ANASTASIA LUCCIO, Captain of the Wardens and one time lover to Harry Dresden. Having lost your first body to a necromancer, you're working on adapting to your new, youthful body. This body has made it harder for you to wield your magic, weakened your psychic defenses, and rendered you unable to forge more of the Wardens' enchantment-breaking swords. Your new body has handicapped you for now and left you less powerful and less useful. Therefore, you are VANILLA. You have no role. You win with the town.

Khaos 1 - You are DONALD MORGAN. You are kind of like Inspector Javert from Les Miserables, but perhaps a little less bone-headed. You take your task of observing Harry, ensuring that he does not violate the Seven Laws of Magic, to an absurd extreme. You frequently pop into Harry's life at random moments, often to inform him that he had broken one of the laws, had run afoul of the Doom of Damocles, and was to be summarily executed. Fortunately for Chicago, Harry, circumstance, or someone else interceded to preserve Harry's life each time. Because you are a recurring and usually unwanted visitor in Harry's life, you are the VISITOR. Each night you may choose to visit another player. Your visit does nothing to either yourself or your target. You win with the town.

Khaos 2 (Forever) - You are ANNA VALMONT. An expert thief, you're a valuable asset on any heist. If you can steal the Shroud of Turin and break into Hades' personal vault, you're a badass in my book. However, while you certainly have a major role to play in some of Harry's adventures, you are not a major presence in Harry's life or the series. By the time I got to Skin Game, I had nearly forgotten you from Death Masks. Therefore, you are VANILLA. You have no role. You win with the town.

Danielle - You are the ERLKING, or Lord Herne, a wyldfae and King of the Goblins. You hold dominion over fallen hunters. You are one of the most powerful beings in Faerie, and thus you are one of the few beings capable of leading the Wild Hunt. The Wild Hunt is a gathering of giant, red-eyed hounds which from time to time descends to Earth to hunt and kill anything in its path. Should the hunt find you, you either join it or die. Therefore, you are the even-day HUNTER. If you are lynched on an even-numbered DP, you may select another player to have die alongside you. You win with the town.

Ford 1 - You are DEMONREACH. You and Mab are largely responsible for saving Harry from his own, clumsily noble attempt to kill himself. Once he emerged from his near-death state, you kept his psychic child from bursting forth from Harry's head. And, you--namely, the island which is inseparable from you--have offered Harry shelter and protection on several occasions. You are not just a genius loci, you are Harry's Sanctum and Merlin's prison, locking away monsters which could wreak havoc on the world. Therefore, you are the protective JOAT. You have the following 2-shot abilities: Doctor and Bodyguard. As the Doctor, you may protect a player from lethal actions aimed at them. As the Bodyguard, you may redirect lethal actions aimed at your target to yourself. You win with the town.

Ford 2 (Udel) (7th) - You are MARTHA LIBERTY. You are a member of the Senior Council, the ruling executive body of the White Council. This status marks you not only as immensely politically powerful, but also as an immensely powerful witch in your own right. That being said, I can genuinely only remember you having a speaking role in a single book in the series, and you have barely made an impression on me as a reader. Therefore, you are VANILLA. You have no role. You win with the town.

Unstob - You are KARRIN MURPHY, former police officer in charge of Special Investigations, the branch of Chicago PD charged with investigating supernatural affairs. You are one of Harry's closest and most trusted friends, but you are also someone he loves. You are pretty much a BAMF. You can throwdown with hulking, ancient Viking soldiers, you can wield an AT-4 84-mm anti-tank weapon like a pro, and, naturally, you're a damned good investigator. Therefore, you are the COP. Each night you may target another player. You will learn whether your target wins with the mafia (guilty) or not (innocent). You win with the town.
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8/31/2017 2:52:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Now I'm sad
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8/31/2017 2:52:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
TOWN (Cont'd)

TUF - You are HARRY DRESDEN. You are Chicago's very first professional wizard. Perhaps you are the only one in the whole world. The one thing you know for sure is that you are there to protect the people of your city by investigating paranormal activities and bringing the criminals behind them to justice. When someone comes to you with a problem, you need to hunt down the answers to it and track down the perpetrators, and you're great at what you do. You've built up an excellent reputation for yourself over the years. Because you have to track down enemies, often with the aid of tracking spells, you are, unsurprisingly, the 3-shot TRACKER. On three different nights, you may target another player and learn who, if anyone, your target visited that night. You win with the town.

Khaos 3 (Wylted) - You are ARTURO GENOSA, a famed pornography director in the former employ of the Raith family. Incredibly fickle, you've been married several times, but not, it seems, out of a mere crude desire to have the best trophy wife. You marry for love. Despite your unique profession, you are a vanilla mortal, with no skills in combat (excluding the kind of combat that happens in bedrooms or divorce courts). You have a rudimentary notion of the magical world, but are largely naive. Because of your status as a normal human being, you are VANILLA. You have no role. You win with the town.

Vaar - You are MICHAEL CARPENTER, Knight of the Cross and wielder of Amoracchius, otherwise known as Excalibur, one of three holy blades with a nail of the Crucifixion worked into them. It seems that whenever Harry needs back-up, you are one of the three people he relies on most. You help Harry because he is your friend. You love Harry, in the platonic sense ofc. That seems eminently sensible, given the sword you wield. Because you have supported Harry even in his darkest times, and even when it was wiser for you to have abnegated your obligations as his friend, you are the UNIVERSAL BACK-UP. You will take on the role of the first townie to die, regardless of who that townie is. You win with the town.

[Mod-Note: Converted to Vanilla upon Smithers' death.]

NIGHT ACTIONS

NP1

Unstob - Cop Unstob
TUF - Trk. Forever
Khaos - Vst. Wylted
LM - Strgm. Khaos
Warren - Mimic Dani
Sui - Rlcp. 7th

NP2

Unstob - Cop Wylted
TUF - Trk. Unstob
Ford - Doc Ford
Sui - NK Dani

NP3

Unstob - Cop Ford
TUF - Trk. LM
Ford - Doc TUF
Sui - NK Ford

NP4

Unstob - Cop Vaar
Sui - Ninja Unstob

DAY PHASE ARCHIVE

Sign-Ups: http://www.debate.org...
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DP4: http://www.debate.org...
DP5: http://www.debate.org...

MOD COMMENTS

The theme of the game was good guys/sometime good guys (town) vs. bad guys (mafia). Anna Valmont started out as a minor antagonist, but later became a friend of Harry's. The wiki page for her was less than helpful, but the page describing the second book in which she appears would've been more illuminating. The Erlking was another sometimes ally, helping fight the outsiders but also holding a grudge against the mortal PI. The theme, IMO, offered several areas for mafia misdirection. The sometimes allies were one of them, as were the two non-human characters of the Erlking and Demonreach. Mafia did not, however, try to push mislynches based on theme analysis.

The balancing was reviewed by FT and was generally straightforward. The only issue may have been the Hunter, but it was (a) unlikely mafia would mimic the hunter, and (b) unlikely the hunter would've been a net benefit to mafia. The hunter is, after all, a 1-for-1 trade. It was interesting to me that mafia chose to mimic a townie rather than their strongman or JOAT, but it turned out not to be a terrible move.

On the topic of roles, the game played out oddly, from my perspective. The way some people interpreted some roles was not at all how I interpret them. The kind of Oracle LM was talking about is not the kind of Oracle I use in my games, for example. My primary source of role information is drafterman's old list [https://docs.google.com...]. I do occasionally look elsehwere for inspiration (usually mafiascum or epic mafia), but I almost always (but not always) use drafterman's list as the authoritative source when conflicts arise. Also, Mafia was given a safe fake claim (Father Anthony Forthill) on DP1 and were given a safe role claim (Sidekick) on DP4.

Khaos was awarded town MVP because his reads were the most accurate, generally speaking, and because he was able to muster town into action in a way that other townies weren't. Sui got mafia MVP for being more townread than LM, while still being just as active in the mafia PM. I thought TUF's post scumreading Sui in the final DP was spot-on, though. Also, regarding Khaos's highly unsual third replacement, I would've used Ford, but he wasn't super active himself. Danielle didn't respond to my queries and I don't think I could've found a volunteer from outside the game who was willing to catch up on 5 DPs worth of stuff. Smithers also declined my request for him to replace in. Khaos 3 was not exactly an ideal situation, but my hands felt tied.

I tried to run the game with clinical efficiency, providing regular time checks and vote counts. I tried to explain the modding decisions I made, even when they were controversial, as I did with Khaos 3. I also tried to be fair and honest in how I treated the players and the game, which meant sometimes seeming more harsh than I intended, because many of my notices and so on were scripted. Hopefully you feel, as I do, that I ran the game smoothly and with a miminimum of confusion. Hopefully you enjoyed it as well. Thank you all for playing!

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8/31/2017 2:52:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2017 2:52:02 PM, Vaarka wrote:
Now I'm sad

OMG. You couldn't have waited like 30 more seconds to post? BLURG...
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8/31/2017 2:55:01 PM
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kudos to sui and LM, considering I said they both seemed fine at the end of DP5 lol

Sorry for scum reading you pretty much the entire game TUF XP
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8/31/2017 2:55:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2017 2:52:32 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 8/31/2017 2:52:02 PM, Vaarka wrote:
Now I'm sad

OMG. You couldn't have waited like 30 more seconds to post? BLURG...

;3
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8/31/2017 3:03:48 PM
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If I had any faith that Vaarka would have voted for LM, I would have placed my vote on LM...

By the way, I should probably get scum mvp for not saying that that was not how bsh1 uses oracles. Lol. But, I wanted to lynch her on behavior, not poor research. Not fair to penalize noob mafia, aside that the mod can change role mechanics anyway.

I shouldn't have been so sure about Sui this DP, as that was confirmation bias due to his BP claim. Oh well, 2 out of three scum found isn't too bad. I would have reassessed if still alive, but poor town play all around.

I'm just happy now that softclaiming a role can finally be seen as not evidence of town.

Good job mafia to your victory.
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8/31/2017 3:08:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2017 3:03:48 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
If I had any faith that Vaarka would have voted for LM, I would have placed my vote on LM...

By the way, I should probably get scum mvp for not saying that that was not how bsh1 uses oracles. Lol. But, I wanted to lynch her on behavior, not poor research. Not fair to penalize noob mafia, aside that the mod can change role mechanics anyway.

Well you shouldn't have been able to replace back in at all. It was incredibly ridiculous to do so. We specifically objected to you replacing in a second time and then it was done without even running it by us first, when Dani had specifically said she wanted to replace in. We knew you would scum read at least one of us upon replacing in, having been responsible for three slots. Inactivity and replacement mechanics really does undermine the integrity of the game.
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8/31/2017 3:08:43 PM
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At 8/31/2017 3:03:48 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
If I had any faith that Vaarka would have voted for LM, I would have placed my vote on LM...
Lol, I was probably gonna end up voting TUF anyway.

By the way, I should probably get scum mvp for not saying that that was not how bsh1 uses oracles. Lol. But, I wanted to lynch her on behavior, not poor research. Not fair to penalize noob mafia, aside that the mod can change role mechanics anyway.

I shouldn't have been so sure about Sui this DP, as that was confirmation bias due to his BP claim. Oh well, 2 out of three scum found isn't too bad. I would have reassessed if still alive, but poor town play all around.

I'm just happy now that softclaiming a role can finally be seen as not evidence of town.

Good job mafia to your victory.
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8/31/2017 3:11:04 PM
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At 8/31/2017 3:08:42 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:03:48 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
If I had any faith that Vaarka would have voted for LM, I would have placed my vote on LM...

By the way, I should probably get scum mvp for not saying that that was not how bsh1 uses oracles. Lol. But, I wanted to lynch her on behavior, not poor research. Not fair to penalize noob mafia, aside that the mod can change role mechanics anyway.

Well you shouldn't have been able to replace back in at all. It was incredibly ridiculous to do so. We specifically objected to you replacing in a second time and then it was done without even running it by us first, when Dani had specifically said she wanted to replace in. We knew you would scum read at least one of us upon replacing in, having been responsible for three slots. Inactivity and replacement mechanics really does undermine the integrity of the game.

To be fair, when you need replacements, you take who you can get. I know that all too well ;_;

(though I've never made someone replace back in more than once after they were dead)
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8/31/2017 3:12:26 PM
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TUF I apologize for the manipulation tactics. He completely nailed it though, last DP. When Danielle and TUF took shots at me DP1 (making me consider actually replacing out), I decided that in continuing playing I would very subtly play into the emotional, whiny perception TUF was painting me to be. Then TUF was very helpful in developing this narrative for the players who hadn't played with me before, by insisting I will never town read him and hold some type of grudge. TUF finally caught on last DP. And it took everything not to give you props and laugh
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8/31/2017 3:14:21 PM
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At 8/31/2017 3:11:04 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:08:42 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:03:48 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
If I had any faith that Vaarka would have voted for LM, I would have placed my vote on LM...

By the way, I should probably get scum mvp for not saying that that was not how bsh1 uses oracles. Lol. But, I wanted to lynch her on behavior, not poor research. Not fair to penalize noob mafia, aside that the mod can change role mechanics anyway.

Well you shouldn't have been able to replace back in at all. It was incredibly ridiculous to do so. We specifically objected to you replacing in a second time and then it was done without even running it by us first, when Dani had specifically said she wanted to replace in. We knew you would scum read at least one of us upon replacing in, having been responsible for three slots. Inactivity and replacement mechanics really does undermine the integrity of the game.

To be fair, when you need replacements, you take who you can get. I know that all too well ;_;

(though I've never made someone replace back in more than once after they were dead)

I get that, but again, danielle could have replaced in and had Bsh brought to our attention that he was randomly going to replace wylted I'd have told him that Danielle still wanted to replace in and had her sign on. Also, I don't think wylted's level of inactivity justified a repeat replacement of chaos. It's really undermined things. But we overcame it so, it is what it is.
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8/31/2017 3:15:55 PM
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Sui and warren were great to play with, though sui wanted to abandon ship and kill me last DP, I am thankful he did not give in to the panic and let it ride. Also, warren thank you for helping me to formulate that one response to chaos. Much appreciated.
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8/31/2017 3:17:00 PM
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At 8/31/2017 3:08:42 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:03:48 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
If I had any faith that Vaarka would have voted for LM, I would have placed my vote on LM...

By the way, I should probably get scum mvp for not saying that that was not how bsh1 uses oracles. Lol. But, I wanted to lynch her on behavior, not poor research. Not fair to penalize noob mafia, aside that the mod can change role mechanics anyway.

Well you shouldn't have been able to replace back in at all. It was incredibly ridiculous to do so. We specifically objected to you replacing in a second time and then it was done without even running it by us first, when Dani had specifically said she wanted to replace in. We knew you would scum read at least one of us upon replacing in, having been responsible for three slots. Inactivity and replacement mechanics really does undermine the integrity of the game.

I'm not sure why my having three slots matters, but I do agree it affects the game. Perhaps you see why I try to lynch inactives now? It's fairest.
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8/31/2017 3:17:10 PM
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At 8/31/2017 3:14:21 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:11:04 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:08:42 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:03:48 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
If I had any faith that Vaarka would have voted for LM, I would have placed my vote on LM...

By the way, I should probably get scum mvp for not saying that that was not how bsh1 uses oracles. Lol. But, I wanted to lynch her on behavior, not poor research. Not fair to penalize noob mafia, aside that the mod can change role mechanics anyway.

Well you shouldn't have been able to replace back in at all. It was incredibly ridiculous to do so. We specifically objected to you replacing in a second time and then it was done without even running it by us first, when Dani had specifically said she wanted to replace in. We knew you would scum read at least one of us upon replacing in, having been responsible for three slots. Inactivity and replacement mechanics really does undermine the integrity of the game.

To be fair, when you need replacements, you take who you can get. I know that all too well ;_;

(though I've never made someone replace back in more than once after they were dead)

I get that, but again, danielle could have replaced in and had Bsh brought to our attention that he was randomly going to replace wylted I'd have told him that Danielle still wanted to replace in and had her sign on. Also, I don't think wylted's level of inactivity justified a repeat replacement of chaos. It's really undermined things. But we overcame it so, it is what it is.

I was actually kinda surprised by Wylted being replaced, so my guess is that he PM'd bsh. I also know that he was likely in a rush, especially since this past week has been especially busy for him (iirc, he was moving). He also did mention something about it in the OP for endgame.
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8/31/2017 3:19:24 PM
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At 8/31/2017 3:17:00 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:08:42 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:03:48 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
If I had any faith that Vaarka would have voted for LM, I would have placed my vote on LM...

By the way, I should probably get scum mvp for not saying that that was not how bsh1 uses oracles. Lol. But, I wanted to lynch her on behavior, not poor research. Not fair to penalize noob mafia, aside that the mod can change role mechanics anyway.

Well you shouldn't have been able to replace back in at all. It was incredibly ridiculous to do so. We specifically objected to you replacing in a second time and then it was done without even running it by us first, when Dani had specifically said she wanted to replace in. We knew you would scum read at least one of us upon replacing in, having been responsible for three slots. Inactivity and replacement mechanics really does undermine the integrity of the game.

I'm not sure why my having three slots matters, but I do agree it affects the game. Perhaps you see why I try to lynch inactives now? It's fairest.

Yea agreed. I probably will adopt that policy more going forward. Maybe earlier in the game. Because that was rough for us. There's a reason we killed you, and it destroys us strategically having killed you for a reason (TWICE) for you to now come in with more information than you had before
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8/31/2017 3:19:42 PM
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At 8/31/2017 3:15:55 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
Sui and warren were great to play with, though sui wanted to abandon ship and kill me last DP, I am thankful he did not give in to the panic and let it ride. Also, warren thank you for helping me to formulate that one response to chaos. Much appreciated.

Which response?
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8/31/2017 3:20:40 PM
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At 8/31/2017 3:19:42 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:15:55 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
Sui and warren were great to play with, though sui wanted to abandon ship and kill me last DP, I am thankful he did not give in to the panic and let it ride. Also, warren thank you for helping me to formulate that one response to chaos. Much appreciated.

Which response?
And he is a treasure, isn't he?

He really is. He randomly chimed in with a response that I slightly tweaked to sound like me. It was my response to you claiming you were practically mod confirmed due to replacing in
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8/31/2017 3:25:45 PM
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Also, at the end of the DP, I should have played with the association's more. It was obvious Vaarka and LM were not scum together, so I should have rethought my position of Sui from LMs guilt, and not rethought TUF based on suis inncense. I resingned to an LM and TUF team and hammered, because I'm impatient, and knew I wasn't going to get Vaarkas vote.

My bad....but, to be fair, it was the first time I was at endgame as town on like four years. Lol
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8/31/2017 3:26:11 PM
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Also, I want to thank Danielle for what I learned from her playing previously both as hydra and as scummates. She constantly was critiquing how panicky I get when pressure is on me. Even as town, I would freak out and not know what to do. And she kept telling me how much I needed to CALM DOWN. So I really tried to apply that this game and brush it off and take a breath. So last DP I think I pretty much kept my cool and I insisted that sui not vote me yet, because I felt like if we let it ride Chaos or Vaar would ultimately vote TUF. I owe that very much to Danielle. And I recommend people hydra with veteran players for experience. It's incredibly helpful. Similarly I learned a few things from FT that I will be applying to my next game as town, like the utility in holding out on your role claim even under a little pressure, and being more assertive with my perspective.
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8/31/2017 3:28:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2017 3:20:40 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:19:42 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:15:55 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
Sui and warren were great to play with, though sui wanted to abandon ship and kill me last DP, I am thankful he did not give in to the panic and let it ride. Also, warren thank you for helping me to formulate that one response to chaos. Much appreciated.

Which response?
And he is a treasure, isn't he?

He really is. He randomly chimed in with a response that I slightly tweaked to sound like me. It was my response to you claiming you were practically mod confirmed due to replacing in

Oh, yeah, that was lie anyway. I even told bsh1 I would try to use. His desperation as confirming me town. It it more likely I would be town, but hardly confirmation. Of course, playing at work, distracted, and on phone, I didn't even use this faux confirmation as intended, so it was just dumb all around.
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8/31/2017 3:28:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2017 3:25:45 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
Also, at the end of the DP, I should have played with the association's more. It was obvious Vaarka and LM were not scum together, so I should have rethought my position of Sui from LMs guilt, and not rethought TUF based on suis inncense. I resingned to an LM and TUF team and hammered, because I'm impatient, and knew I wasn't going to get Vaarkas vote.

In fairness, I had tried to set it up throughout the game that TUF and I were scummates. I figured between sui and I I'd be the most likely to be lynched, so I was trying to set up interactions with TUF that could suggest a scum team. The Ford vote was very much an attempt at that. And the false narrative I was creating was to establish an association between TUF and myself. It's why I mentioned interaction analysis so much last DP, because I wanted people to engage in it, to read TUF as my partner if I was lynched.


My bad....but, to be fair, it was the first time I was at endgame as town on like four years. Lol
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8/31/2017 3:30:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
By the way, next time if you want to ensure I don't replace in, have Warren tell me who the scum is when I congratulated him NP2 for his manipulation.
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8/31/2017 3:31:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2017 3:19:42 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:15:55 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
Sui and warren were great to play with, though sui wanted to abandon ship and kill me last DP, I am thankful he did not give in to the panic and let it ride. Also, warren thank you for helping me to formulate that one response to chaos. Much appreciated.

Which response?
And he is a treasure, isn't he?

Awh :')
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8/31/2017 3:32:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2017 3:30:07 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
By the way, next time if you want to ensure I don't replace in, have Warren tell me who the scum is when I congratulated him NP2 for his manipulation.

lol, then he'd be mod killed and wouldn't get the win. Hopefully, the double replacing just never happens again. I think Bsh was in a rush and that's why I think he never considered asking me to contact danielle. He conceded as much. But I almost lost my sh!t when I saw you came in, without even warning us, because we had adamantly objected when it was considered earlier in the game.
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8/31/2017 3:33:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I personally took issue with Ford replacing in. Sui had planned on using WIFOM with Ford's death: was he killed because he used bodyguard or because he was targeted? It was a lot harder to do so after Ford replaced in, and to be safe we had to avoid it.
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8/31/2017 3:40:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2017 3:32:22 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:30:07 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
By the way, next time if you want to ensure I don't replace in, have Warren tell me who the scum is when I congratulated him NP2 for his manipulation.

lol, then he'd be mod killed and wouldn't get the win. Hopefully, the double replacing just never happens again. I think Bsh was in a rush and that's why I think he never considered asking me to contact danielle. He conceded as much. But I almost lost my sh!t when I saw you came in, without even warning us, because we had adamantly objected when it was considered earlier in the game.

I'm pisswd,i just lost my response to your other post....I'll respond to it latet at home.

But, you can't modkill one who is already dead, and obviously, I wouldn't say anything. I like to know what's what as I watch the rest of the game if I can.
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8/31/2017 3:43:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2017 3:33:43 PM, warren42 wrote:
I personally took issue with Ford replacing in. Sui had planned on using WIFOM with Ford's death: was he killed because he used bodyguard or because he was targeted? It was a lot harder to do so after Ford replaced in, and to be safe we had to avoid it.

Its not harder, since he wouldn't have known, and he ought not say. And, if he did, then the wofom is in he is lying now, althougheasy, it is risky.

Bottom line: shame on townies who go awol.
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8/31/2017 3:44:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2017 3:26:11 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
Also, I want to thank Danielle for what I learned from her playing previously both as hydra and as scummates. She constantly was critiquing how panicky I get when pressure is on me. Even as town, I would freak out and not know what to do. And she kept telling me how much I needed to CALM DOWN. So I really tried to apply that this game and brush it off and take a breath. So last DP I think I pretty much kept my cool and I insisted that sui not vote me yet, because I felt like if we let it ride Chaos or Vaar would ultimately vote TUF. I owe that very much to Danielle. And I recommend people hydra with veteran players for experience. It's incredibly helpful. Similarly I learned a few things from FT that I will be applying to my next game as town, like the utility in holding out on your role claim even under a little pressure, and being more assertive with my perspective.

I actually wouldn't mind this. I've been told I'm usually kinda hard to read, even though I find my town and scum play to have really obvious differences (though now that I've played this game, I can see why I'm hard to read). To me, the two big differences between my play is my role claim and my honesty. When I'm town, I have an easy time just claiming (even if I resist doing so at times). I'm also usually completely honest when town, have no problems with replying however I see fit, and blatantly being lazy. On the other hand, as scum, I hate lying. In fact, I avoid posting b/c I don't want to lie. I'm also terrible at fake claims when scum.

@anyone pls teach me how to scum hehe
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8/31/2017 3:45:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2017 3:40:53 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:32:22 PM, LikeMagic wrote:
At 8/31/2017 3:30:07 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
By the way, next time if you want to ensure I don't replace in, have Warren tell me who the scum is when I congratulated him NP2 for his manipulation.

lol, then he'd be mod killed and wouldn't get the win. Hopefully, the double replacing just never happens again. I think Bsh was in a rush and that's why I think he never considered asking me to contact danielle. He conceded as much. But I almost lost my sh!t when I saw you came in, without even warning us, because we had adamantly objected when it was considered earlier in the game.

I'm pisswd,i just lost my response to your other post....I'll respond to it latet at home.

But, you can't modkill one who is already dead, and obviously, I wouldn't say anything. I like to know what's what as I watch the rest of the game if I can.

I've modkilled people after death. In fact I've done it once already in the current series
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