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THEVIRUS
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3/7/2013 1:40:35 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:36:37 AM, TSH wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:33:50 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Okay, I dunno whether I'm dead or not, but if I am, I'm calling TSH as scum. So I can say I told you guys so.

I really hope you are mafia. First you were completely convinced that TheVirus was scum, now me. Who else do think is scum, FT? The whole town? Please at least provide a reason before calling someone scum...

FT is messing with my head... ignore everything I say in between these--> "<>"

<ft is kinda god and confusing and likes to confuse people and tsh I don't know very well and ft is a dead man> I just say kill FT <cause he doesn't make any sense and he is confusing and so are other people but he is more>
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3/7/2013 1:41:32 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:19:52 AM, TSH wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:18:49 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Whatever, you guys are fvcking retarded. I'm town. You guys are idiots. Lynch THEVIRUS tomorrow.

The meta in beginner games is to lynch good players first.

Lynch FT. If he's town, we have another chance. If he's mafia, he is good enough that he will probably manage to convince the town to mislynch again.
~tsh
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3/7/2013 1:42:14 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:40:35 AM, THEVIRUS wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:36:37 AM, TSH wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:33:50 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Okay, I dunno whether I'm dead or not, but if I am, I'm calling TSH as scum. So I can say I told you guys so.

I really hope you are mafia. First you were completely convinced that TheVirus was scum, now me. Who else do think is scum, FT? The whole town? Please at least provide a reason before calling someone scum...

FT is messing with my head... ignore everything I say in between these--> "<>"

<ft is kinda god and confusing and likes to confuse people and tsh I don't know very well and ft is a dead man> I just say kill FT <cause he doesn't make any sense and he is confusing and so are other people but he is more>

I agree. FT is obvious mafia. His confusion tactics will not work.
~tsh
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3/7/2013 1:42:51 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
FT then MAYBE TSH...
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3/7/2013 1:43:11 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:41:32 AM, TSH wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:19:52 AM, TSH wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:18:49 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Whatever, you guys are fvcking retarded. I'm town. You guys are idiots. Lynch THEVIRUS tomorrow.

The meta in beginner games is to lynch good players first.

Lynch FT. If he's town, we have another chance. If he's mafia, he is good enough that he will probably manage to convince the town to mislynch again.

This is assuming our VTNL's are not counted.
~tsh
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3/7/2013 1:44:05 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:42:14 AM, TSH wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:40:35 AM, THEVIRUS wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:36:37 AM, TSH wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:33:50 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Okay, I dunno whether I'm dead or not, but if I am, I'm calling TSH as scum. So I can say I told you guys so.

I really hope you are mafia. First you were completely convinced that TheVirus was scum, now me. Who else do think is scum, FT? The whole town? Please at least provide a reason before calling someone scum...

FT is messing with my head... ignore everything I say in between these--> "<>"

<ft is kinda god and confusing and likes to confuse people and tsh I don't know very well and ft is a dead man> I just say kill FT <cause he doesn't make any sense and he is confusing and so are other people but he is more>

I agree. FT is obvious mafia. His confusion tactics will not work.

<I think they are working> VTL FT screw his @$$ <I like symbols they're so shiny>
"So you want me to go to the judge with 'unit, corps, God, country'?" - A Few Good Men

"And the hits just keep on comin'." -A Few Good Men
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3/7/2013 1:45:26 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:39:30 AM, TSH wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:38:59 AM, TSH wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:38:26 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:33:50 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Okay, I dunno whether I'm dead or not, but if I am, I'm calling TSH as scum. So I can say I told you guys so.

I'm starting to agree with you. Oh well, we'll have three people even if we mislynch.

Why? FT is trying to confuse everyone. Please read the DP carefully.

First he went after you and thevirus, then when he failed to convince me he was innocent, he targeted me. He's mafia.

And he agreed to a plan which would have cornered him pretty tightly, which removed my suspicion. Then we end up with a quick and hastily thought-out lynch, spearheaded by the people who were not under suspicion, but had possibly just worked through the arithmetic of how not lynching this turn and going through with the test of THEVIRUS and FT would would compromise the mafia's position. And it's not like anyone in this game has an airtight claim, so such speculation as he has displayed is to be expected.

Besides, if the other town players don't suspect me of being mafia then they aren't doing their jobs. I don't take offense at it.
"Partout ou vous verrez un autel, la se trouve la civilisation."
- Joseph de Maistre -

"Woe that I live in bitter days,
As God is setting like a sun
And in his place, as lord and slave,
Man raises forth his heinous throne."
- Translation of 'Rhyfel', by Hedd Wyn -

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3/7/2013 1:47:44 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:45:26 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:39:30 AM, TSH wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:38:59 AM, TSH wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:38:26 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:33:50 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Okay, I dunno whether I'm dead or not, but if I am, I'm calling TSH as scum. So I can say I told you guys so.

I'm starting to agree with you. Oh well, we'll have three people even if we mislynch.

Why? FT is trying to confuse everyone. Please read the DP carefully.

First he went after you and thevirus, then when he failed to convince me he was innocent, he targeted me. He's mafia.

And he agreed to a plan which would have cornered him pretty tightly, which removed my suspicion. Then we end up with a quick and hastily thought-out lynch, spearheaded by the people who were not under suspicion, but had possibly just worked through the arithmetic of how not lynching this turn and going through with the test of THEVIRUS and FT would would compromise the mafia's position. And it's not like anyone in this game has an airtight claim, so such speculation as he has displayed is to be expected.

Besides, if the other town players don't suspect me of being mafia then they aren't doing their jobs. I don't take offense at it.

Your claim is a little... complicated... to test.
"So you want me to go to the judge with 'unit, corps, God, country'?" - A Few Good Men

"And the hits just keep on comin'." -A Few Good Men
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3/7/2013 1:48:21 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
lol Skep, you and Maikuru are both really good players. I'm really excited for when both of you start playing in the regular games.
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3/7/2013 1:50:22 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:48:21 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
lol Skep, you and Maikuru are both really good players. I'm really excited for when both of you start playing in the regular games.

Thanks, no offense taken... guessing isn't the best way to get through a pro game. It would be an interesting twist though... *rubs chin in deep thought*
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"And the hits just keep on comin'." -A Few Good Men
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3/7/2013 1:50:53 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Skep, have you played mafia elsewhere before?
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3/7/2013 1:51:35 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:48:21 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
lol Skep, you and Maikuru are both really good players. I'm really excited for when both of you start playing in the regular games.

Thanks! Bed time for me; I guess I'll see you all when the dust clears.
"Partout ou vous verrez un autel, la se trouve la civilisation."
- Joseph de Maistre -

"Woe that I live in bitter days,
As God is setting like a sun
And in his place, as lord and slave,
Man raises forth his heinous throne."
- Translation of 'Rhyfel', by Hedd Wyn -

Virtutem videant intabescantque relicta
THEVIRUS
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3/7/2013 1:51:52 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Ugh, being the noob sucks. We should go play halo so I can whoop yalls' @$$es
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"And the hits just keep on comin'." -A Few Good Men
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3/7/2013 1:53:05 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:48:21 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
lol Skep, you and Maikuru are both really good players. I'm really excited for when both of you start playing in the regular games.

Blatant buddying. Seriously FT, give up already; the mafia has lost.
~tsh
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3/7/2013 1:53:20 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:50:53 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Skep, have you played mafia elsewhere before?

Nope, first time. I guess I'm just a deeply skeptical and analytical person by nature, so I lend myself to this naturally.
"Partout ou vous verrez un autel, la se trouve la civilisation."
- Joseph de Maistre -

"Woe that I live in bitter days,
As God is setting like a sun
And in his place, as lord and slave,
Man raises forth his heinous throne."
- Translation of 'Rhyfel', by Hedd Wyn -

Virtutem videant intabescantque relicta
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3/7/2013 1:55:17 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:48:21 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
lol Skep, you and Maikuru are both really good players. I'm really excited for when both of you start playing in the regular games.

I called Mai as mafia both games. Maybe he's a good town player.

Also Skep what's this plan u had. Keep in mind mafia can kill one person at night AND roleblock one person at night. Please explain how we can corner ANYONE...I thought about every option. Someone explain this airtight plan.
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3/7/2013 1:55:55 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:53:20 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:50:53 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Skep, have you played mafia elsewhere before?

Nope, first time. I guess I'm just a deeply skeptical and analytical person by nature, so I lend myself to this naturally.

If I wasn't stressed out of my mind all the time I would do better too. Every once and a while I log on with my brain feeling like muddled mush
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"And the hits just keep on comin'." -A Few Good Men
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3/7/2013 1:58:35 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:55:17 AM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:48:21 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
lol Skep, you and Maikuru are both really good players. I'm really excited for when both of you start playing in the regular games.



I called Mai as mafia both games. Maybe he's a good town player.



Also Skep what's this plan u had. Keep in mind mafia can kill one person at night AND roleblock one person at night. Please explain how we can corner ANYONE...I thought about every option. Someone explain this airtight plan.

If you think long and hard and come to a conclusion, I haven't been thinking long enough, much less both of them. Right now I feel surprised my mush for brains can even remember where the keys are. I guess that means good night
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"And the hits just keep on comin'." -A Few Good Men
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3/7/2013 2:00:57 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
sh!t I just went cross-eyed for a second...
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3/7/2013 2:01:31 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Chubby, the plan can potentially confirm both me and THEVIRUS. The roleblock scenario still confirms us.
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3/7/2013 2:02:40 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 2:01:31 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Chubby, the plan can potentially confirm both me and THEVIRUS. The roleblock scenario still confirms us.

I also point out, getting roleblocked is confirmation of another person. And death is also confirmation. However you spin it, we gain a huge amount of information, enough to win the game.
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3/7/2013 2:02:44 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 2:01:31 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Chubby, the plan can potentially confirm both me and THEVIRUS. The roleblock scenario still confirms us.

Tell me the plan...

Virus u should get some sleep bud..gnite.
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3/7/2013 2:03:36 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 2:02:40 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 3/7/2013 2:01:31 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
Chubby, the plan can potentially confirm both me and THEVIRUS. The roleblock scenario still confirms us.

I also point out, getting roleblocked is confirmation of another person. And death is also confirmation. However you spin it, we gain a huge amount of information, enough to win the game.

Who does what at night?
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3/7/2013 2:07:05 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
I shoot THEVIRUS. You track THEVIRUS.
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3/7/2013 2:08:53 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 1:55:17 AM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/7/2013 1:48:21 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
lol Skep, you and Maikuru are both really good players. I'm really excited for when both of you start playing in the regular games.



I called Mai as mafia both games. Maybe he's a good town player.



Also Skep what's this plan u had. Keep in mind mafia can kill one person at night AND roleblock one person at night. Please explain how we can corner ANYONE...I thought about every option. Someone explain this airtight plan.

Vote not to lynch.

FT has claimed to be vigilant. Have him target THEVIRUS for a killing.

If THEVIRUS is a mafia role blocker, he can survive, but ONLY by using his role block to defend himself. If he is town and his role claim (commuter) is true he will also survive. However, we will have both out supposed cop and tracker both visit him. If he is town, then nothing will show up due to he nature of his ability. If he is mafia then either the cop will tell us that he is mafia or the tracker will tell us who visited him. If FT visited him but was blocked, then we know that FT was also town. This will give us much more information than a lynch and, most importantly, only one player will die, instead of two in the case of a mislynch.
"Partout ou vous verrez un autel, la se trouve la civilisation."
- Joseph de Maistre -

"Woe that I live in bitter days,
As God is setting like a sun
And in his place, as lord and slave,
Man raises forth his heinous throne."
- Translation of 'Rhyfel', by Hedd Wyn -

Virtutem videant intabescantque relicta
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3/7/2013 2:10:15 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 2:07:05 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
I shoot THEVIRUS. You track THEVIRUS.

If ur mafia u can NOT shoot virus u could just roleblock me or virus....and kill me then say
Sorry guys I was blocked couldn't kill virus. I would have no report cuz u kill me

Then what?
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3/7/2013 2:13:03 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 2:10:15 AM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/7/2013 2:07:05 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
I shoot THEVIRUS. You track THEVIRUS.

If ur mafia u can NOT shoot virus u could just roleblock me or virus....and kill me then say
Sorry guys I was blocked couldn't kill virus. I would have no report cuz u kill me

Then what?

Then we are one more person down with more information than we started with, while the alternative is and 80% chance of being two people down due to a mislynch and a mafia killing with no more information than we started with.
"Partout ou vous verrez un autel, la se trouve la civilisation."
- Joseph de Maistre -

"Woe that I live in bitter days,
As God is setting like a sun
And in his place, as lord and slave,
Man raises forth his heinous throne."
- Translation of 'Rhyfel', by Hedd Wyn -

Virtutem videant intabescantque relicta
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3/7/2013 2:14:56 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 2:13:03 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/7/2013 2:10:15 AM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/7/2013 2:07:05 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
I shoot THEVIRUS. You track THEVIRUS.

If ur mafia u can NOT shoot virus u could just roleblock me or virus....and kill me then say
Sorry guys I was blocked couldn't kill virus. I would have no report cuz u kill me

Then what?

Then we are one more person down with more information than we started with, while the alternative is and 80% chance of being two people down due to a mislynch and a mafia killing with no more information than we started with.

We would be down to Skep TSH and FT. FT will say TSH is BS cop and TSH will say FT is guilty thus accomplishing nada.
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3/7/2013 2:17:07 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 3/7/2013 2:10:15 AM, ChubbyFatz wrote:
At 3/7/2013 2:07:05 AM, FourTrouble wrote:
I shoot THEVIRUS. You track THEVIRUS.

If ur mafia u can NOT shoot virus u could just roleblock me or virus....and kill me then say
Sorry guys I was blocked couldn't kill virus. I would have no report cuz u kill me

Then what?

Well, I'm town so that's not gonna happen. But I see what you are saying, from your perspective I understand the paranoia. From my perspective, it obviously never occurred to me but I can see now why you wouldn't take this as confirmation. I still think TSH is scum, so just remember that in case I die and not you.
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3/7/2013 2:17:08 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
We lynch wrong now then we have 1/3 chance of catching mafia.we no lynch and 1 dies then we have 1/4 chance to lynch mafia.

Both scenarios we have to lynch right or we lose.

I rather 1/3 then 1/4 chance.

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