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2/26/2017 5:05:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
The town was saved from Schindler's reign
yet despite reflief came ample pain.
A costly win it was perceived
and Schindler's list no more conceived.


FIRST PLACE: TOWN

Airmax/XLAV(2): You are Franklin D. Roosevelt, the 3x tracker. On any night you may select a target, and learn who they visited that night. You may use this ability a maximum of 3 times. You win with town.

Danielle: You are Hermann Goering, the 1x cop. On any night you may select a target, and learn their affiliation. You may use this ability once. A guilty result indicates they do not win with town. You win with town.

Warren/Khaos: You are Winston Churchill, the ascetic vanilla townie. You passively block all non lethal actions used on you. You win with town.
Additionally, you are the leader of the allied powers. All players with allied characters have been informed of the existence of your character and his affiliation. You have the 1x global nuke tactics ability. Upon use, all allied characters become unblockable for that night. You may use this ability on any night that you are alive.
You are not allowed to claim your character as Winston Churchill. You may claim to be King George VI or another character of your choice. You are not to hint at your character being Winston Churchill either. This information will furthermore not be present upon your flip if you die.

Vaarka: You are Adolf Hitler, the hated miller. You appear guilty to investigators. Additionally it takes 1 less vote to kill you than normal. You win with town.

FT/Yraelz: You are Heinrich Himmler, the 2x lie detector. On any night you may copy/paste a direct quote from the previous day phase and learn if it is true or false. Your action is counted as visiting the person whose post you target. If the mod does not know the answer, your action will fail. You may use this ability a maximum of 2 times. You win with town.

Devilry: You are Joseph Stalin, the 3x roleblocker. Each night you may target a player. For all purposes that player becomes a vanilla townie if they are town, or mafia goon if they are mafia for the rest of that night. You may use this ability a maximum of 3 times. You win with town.

Sarcastic: You are Albert Einstein, the 3x compulsive inventor. Each night for three nights you must give a player of your choice a bulletproof vest, a high-tech spanner or a motivational poster. You can only give the same item once. A bullet proof vest gives the target player the 1x bulletproof ability; a high tech gives the target player the 1x enable ability; and the motivational poster gives the target player the 1x motivate ability. You must use this ability 3 times consecutively. You win with town.

XLAV(1): You are Hirohito, the 3x doctor. On any night you may target a player and prevent all lethal actions from occurring against them. You may use this ability a maximum of 3 times. You win with town.

Sui(1): You are Benito Mussolini, the Universal backup. You will receive the first town role to die, with whatever number of X shots that role had remaining. You will not receive a role which has run out of uses. You win with town.

VoT(2):You are Chiang Kai-Shek, the Vanilla townie. You win with town.

Bob: You are Sigmund Freud, the Vanilla townie. You win with town.

YYW/Sui(2): You are Frederick Jones, the 1x Vigilante. On any night you may target a player and kill them. You may only use this ability once. You win with town.

SECOND PLACE: SCHINDLER'S MAFIA

MB8: You are Danka Dresner, the Traitor. The mafia team have been informed of your existence. You are seen as being innocent by investigative roles. You win with mafia.

Tree: You are Albert Hujar, the 3x Role Cop. On any night you may target a player, and discover what their role is. You may use this ability a maximum of 3 times.

Spinko: You are Oskar Schindler, the 1x role Thief. Once in the game you may target a player, and steal their role from them. You can only steal town roles and cannot steal them if they have used all their x shots. You are the mafia leader, and can execute global blitzkrieg abilities for one night on any night that you are alive. Blitzkrieg tactics causes all Axis characters to process their roles before non Axis characters. All mafias are Axis characters, as well as some of the town.

Forever/Fire: You are Chaja Desner, the 3x Bus Driver. On any night you may target two players, and any actions being performed to one will instead be performed to the other, and vice versa.

LAST PLACE: ASSORTED SCUM

Hybrid: You are Werner Von Braun, the 2x Serial Killer/Bullet-proof Third Party. On any night you may choose to be bulletproof or select a townie for death. You cannot do both in one night. You win when another faction would otherwise achieve their win condition.

VoT(1): You are Jean-Paul Satre, the Vanilla townie. You win with town. [Converted to TP survivor]

INFO RELEASED INTO PM'S:

Mafia:
The theme of this game is Real WW2 characters vs fictional/ones from the movie. Do not claim your characters, they are not town themed.
Additionally, you each have 2x pardons, and the whole team has 3x doc remaining.
MB8 is the mafia traitor.

Town Axis:
You are a part of the axis powers, which has no bearing on your affiliation. The axis leader has a 1x blitzkrieg ability, which causes all axis roles to resolve before the roles of players with non Axis characters for one night only. You are not told if your role was affected by blitzkrieg tactics. The Axis Leader is Oskar Schindler and is sided with the mafia.

Town Allied:
You are a part of the allied powers, which has no bearing on your affiliation. The allied leader has a 1x nuke tactics ability, which causes all allied roles to be unblockable for one night only. You are not told if your role is affected by nuke tactics. The allied leader is Winston Churchill and is sided with the town.

SPECIAL MECHANICS:
> Schindler's List: A list of all living players devised by the mafia each night whereby the player at the top of the list is killed, or if that isn't possible, the next name on the list etc. The only role that can interact with the list are protective roles. Redirection, Roleblocking and investigations do not interact with list mechanics.

> Winston Churchhill: A single player with a disadvantage of being forced to lie about their character in order to attract the lie detector and potentially drive a mislynch.

> Nuke Tactics: A 1x ability of Winston Churchhill that forces all allied actions used on that night to resolve.

> Blitzkrieg Tactics: A 1x ability of Oskar Schindler that forces all Axis roles to resolve before any other role is processed.

> Pardons: A town 1x ability, or scum 2x ability that causes the list to ignore their name entirely for the night that it is used on.

> Mafia doctor: A protective counter-balance for the mafia to enable survival in the later part of the game where the are nearly as many mafias as town.

ALL ACTIONS:
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AWARDS:
MVP: FT Yraelz. For consistently being correct and eventually turning that into a town win.

Greatest Blunder: MB8, for claiming to not win with town on Day 1.

Best Drama: YYW, for the ToS violations against Sui and Dani.

Scum MVP: Spinko. He was the scum team in effect.

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2/26/2017 5:10:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Any questions or feedback, go for it.

Mod Errors:
> FT was supposed to be a 1x LD and Dani a 2x cop. I accidentally switched them when balancing the game and noticed that I sent the wrong pm structure to both in night 1.

> Spinko used his role steal on Dani, and I accidentally told him that he had stolen the cop role, when he shouldn't have stolen anything due to no cop uses left. Dani was not told that her role had been stolen, so no effect was observed

> VoT was definitely sent his role at the beginning of the game, as confirmed by a screenshot of it that Unstob sent me.
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2/26/2017 5:14:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Point of interest:

This type of Wifom doesn't work in death list mafia: http://www.debate.org...

If you're making yourself less appealing to the NK, you shouldn't do it by saying that you can't be killed. The mafia will place your name at the top of the list and have their intended target below yours. If you survive, their intended kill dies as expected, but if you were lying they win either way. Optimal play to survive a bluff is to claim no utility, not claim that you have utility but you can't die.
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2/26/2017 5:18:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/26/2017 5:13:18 AM, Yraelz wrote:
How did LD work on Spinko?

A few players asked this, so

How the Lie Detector Role works:

LD's test for personal knowledge. I explained this to the mafia in their pm, but an Ld will recieve a false result if their target supposedly knows the truth status of their claim but is actually wrong. Say a cop gets an innocent on scum and says they are innocent in the day. Ld then detects the claim. They will see the cop being honest, despite being wrong.

Mafia are investigated in the same way. It is presumed the scum have inside knowledge even if that info is wrong. Unless it is revealed to the sum team that a third party is in play, the mafia assumes all other players are town. For this reason an LD role is expected to produce false positives and false negatives in addition to correct claims.
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2/26/2017 5:24:20 AM
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LD thing was straight bastard modding imo. Still a little sour but the game was honestly lost at that point. Trying to stall it wasn't going to help. Good game tho. FT had a good case against me minus the read based on me asking Warren how town he is lol. I've done it before in past games over the years just don't have any way of digging it up. The MB8 situation should hVe been more emphasized and I slipped claiming axis Dp1 (don't know if anyone ever used that as I stopped reading at one point). FT is the MVP though begrudgingly so since we lost lol.
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2/26/2017 5:31:22 AM
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At 2/26/2017 5:24:20 AM, socialpinko wrote:
What don't you like about the LD role?

It tests for knowledge with the same level of reliability that a cop can test for affiliation.
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2/26/2017 5:34:57 AM
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At 2/26/2017 5:31:22 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 2/26/2017 5:24:20 AM, socialpinko wrote:
What don't you like about the LD role?

It tests for knowledge with the same level of reliability that a cop can test for affiliation.

It usually does. It didn't in this game. Scum don't assume everyone is town. An easy way to feign town status is to TP-search. Any scum who's played more than a few games KNOWS not everyone they interact with is town. Doesn't mean they don't Town read peeps but it's ridiculous to assume that the 'standard' scum mentality is to assume that 100% of non scum players are town.
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2/26/2017 5:36:30 AM
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At 2/26/2017 5:32:10 AM, socialpinko wrote:
Like how the fyuuuuck do scum assume everyone is town lol. A standard scum tell is lasering in on TP.

Information is key. If the mafia are not told of scum, they play from a mafia vs town informed perspective. The emphasis being on the fact that they are supposedly informed.

Just like how a cop who investigates a person as being inno will be truthful about them being town even if they are a scum godfather.

The LD is liable to producing bad information due to false knowledge. That's what makes it as limited as a cop role.
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2/26/2017 5:39:54 AM
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At 2/26/2017 5:34:57 AM, socialpinko wrote:
It usually does. It didn't in this game. Scum don't assume everyone is town.

In the same way that a cop doesn't assume all his innos are town as well. The same phenomenon is at play here. The person has an informational advantage even if they recognise that it isn't always correct. The LD tests for this advantage, using a method which I've ensured is unreliable.
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2/26/2017 5:50:27 AM
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lol I'm not going to get into this. It's a bastardization of LD imo but the game is over and who's to say whether or not I'd be lynched without the results you sent FT. Like you really can't assume that scum necessarily play from the perspective that aleveryone not in the scum PM is town. There's nothing more to it. That's why we used to say 'I win with the town' Dp1. It's a statement that ACTUALLY works similarly to a cop role.
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2/26/2017 5:50:47 AM
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At any rate, I hope the game was enjoyable for the most part. I'm leaving DDO again and will come back maybe mid way or at the end of the year during semester breaks.

I do love you guys, so just a temporary farewell. <3
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2/26/2017 5:58:22 AM
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Vaarka :"you just want to kill me, don't you"
Smith: "haha was it your role that gave it away? :3"

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2/26/2017 6:02:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/26/2017 5:58:22 AM, Vaarka wrote:
Vaarka :"you just want to kill me, don't you"
Smith: "haha was it your role that gave it away? :3"

How did you survive to endgame?? XD little cockroach ;)
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2/26/2017 6:05:27 AM
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At 2/26/2017 5:10:19 AM, Smithereens wrote:
> VoT was definitely sent his role at the beginning of the game, as confirmed by a screenshot of it that Unstob sent me.

I would like to say in all honesty that I never recieved that first PM that you and Unstobb sent me. Idk what happened, but I never got it.
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2/26/2017 6:06:36 AM
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At 2/26/2017 5:50:47 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At any rate, I hope the game was enjoyable for the most part. I'm leaving DDO again and will come back maybe mid way or at the end of the year during semester breaks.

It was a fun game. Great modding on your and Unstob's end. I wish you well.

I do love you guys, so just a temporary farewell. <3
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2/26/2017 6:07:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/26/2017 6:02:18 AM, Smithereens wrote:

Also, please let Unstob know that what he said in my first role PM about the Forever/Udel choice is what led me to think Fire scum in DP5.
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2/26/2017 6:24:24 AM
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At 2/26/2017 6:07:24 AM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:

yeah in short, Unstob did not fulfill the role of co-mod. He posted 1 VC in the entire game, and left me hanging out with all the Yanks for the rest of it. Was particularly difficult during Day 1 and 2, where the post count was over 1k.
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2/26/2017 6:59:58 AM
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At 2/26/2017 6:24:24 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 2/26/2017 6:07:24 AM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:

yeah in short, Unstob did not fulfill the role of co-mod. He posted 1 VC in the entire game, and left me hanging out with all the Yanks for the rest of it. Was particularly difficult during Day 1 and 2, where the post count was over 1k.

I dont know why you think letting someone who you denied to join your game, for a good reason, be your co-mod lol.
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2/26/2017 8:31:11 AM
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At 2/26/2017 6:59:58 AM, XLAV wrote:
I dont know why you think letting someone who you denied to join your game, for a good reason, be your co-mod lol.

it's cuz I need a co-mod to compensate for my locality issues. If he isn't playing he might as well be doing VC's.
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2/26/2017 10:06:02 AM
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At 2/26/2017 5:50:47 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At any rate, I hope the game was enjoyable for the most part. I'm leaving DDO again and will come back maybe mid way or at the end of the year during semester breaks.

I do love you guys, so just a temporary farewell. <3

awh, that's sad.
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2/26/2017 10:42:44 AM
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Spinko...................... I was reeling after you flipped mafia lol. You were my second-strongest town read after Dani.
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2/26/2017 12:33:56 PM
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Ironically, the mod wanted me to have fun if I played, and then my role was so restrictive, and on top of that, I specifically laid out my plan of attack and was told it was acceptable NP1, only to be told DP4 that it was not.

This restriction affected my play, and influenced my reads. Along with me missing material posts in the DP where I was actually active, this was a difficult game to enjoy.

But, thanks for modding, Smithers.
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2/26/2017 12:43:44 PM
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Also, why would mafia have put me so high on the list that last DP?
Not only did I say I was checked out, but, if FT was right (which he wasn't), I would have helped lynch FT.
Funny thing is, I was as confident as I could be that DP that FT was town, since I didn't believe FT would play WIFOM like that. To me, it was an easy frame job.

It would have been funny if XLAV still had a pardon, and me and him used our pardons NP4 to have mafia kill themselves.
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2/26/2017 3:29:46 PM
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Is there a mafia PM?
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2/26/2017 4:13:58 PM
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At 2/26/2017 12:43:44 PM, Chaos88 wrote:
Also, why would mafia have put me so high on the list that last DP?
Not only did I say I was checked out, but, if FT was right (which he wasn't), I would have helped lynch FT.
Funny thing is, I was as confident as I could be that DP that FT was town, since I didn't believe FT would play WIFOM like that. To me, it was an easy frame job.

It would have been funny if XLAV still had a pardon, and me and him used our pardons NP4 to have mafia kill themselves.

They probably put you near the top because you were basically confirmed town. No point in letting you live if none of the townies will lynch you, amirite?
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2/26/2017 4:14:35 PM
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At 2/26/2017 5:50:47 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At any rate, I hope the game was enjoyable for the most part. I'm leaving DDO again and will come back maybe mid way or at the end of the year during semester breaks.

I do love you guys, so just a temporary farewell. <3

You need the see the endgame of Solon's game though... I'm close to ready to post it :3
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