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# THE Most Difficult Logic Puzzle!

 Posts: 50 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 10/18/2008 12:33:39 AMPosted: 10 years agobeem0rCan you post your complete final version then? I'll look forward to see it.And check mine too please.There are many ways to skin a cat and we might both be correct and both different to whatever answer is on the website that posts the riddle.
 Posts: 1,155 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 10/18/2008 1:20:41 AMPosted: 10 years ago#. A B C1. T F R2. T R F3. F T R4. F R T5. R T F6. R F TJ. Ja is yes, Da is no.D. Da is yes, Ja is no.QUESTION 1To God A, "If asked if 1+1=2, would B be more likely to say 'Ja' than C?"1. T F R1J. Da [no]1D. Da [yes]2. T R F2J. Ja [yes]2D. Ja [no]3. F T R3J. Da [no]3D. Da [yes]4. F R T4J. Ja [yes]4D. Ja [no]5. R T F5J. ? [?]5D. ? [?]6. R F T6J. ? [?]6D. ? [?]Remaining choices after Question 1:If Q1 = Ja:2. T R F4. F R T5. R T F6. R F TIf Q1 = Da:1. T F R3. F T R5. R T F6. R F TIf Q1 = Ja, we know God C is not random.If Q1 = Da, we know God B is not random.Same type of question for Q2, but this time, we avoid asking random by asking it to the God we know is not Random.QUESTION 2FOR Q1 = JaTo God C, "If asked if 1+1=2, would A be more likely to say 'Ja' than B?"2. T R F2J. Da [no]2D. Da [yes]4. F R T4J. Da [no]4D. Da [yes]5. R T F5J. Ja [yes]5D. Ja [no]6. R F T6J. Ja [yes]6D. Ja [no]FOR Q1 = DaTo God B, "If asked if 1+1=2, would A be more likely to say 'Ja' than C?"1. T F R1J. Da [no]1D. Da [ues]3. F T R3J. Da [no]3D. Da [no]5. R T F5J. Ja [yes]5D. Ja [no]6. R F T6J. Ja [yes]6J. Ja [no]Remaining choices after Question 2If Q1 = Ja and Q2 = Ja5. R T F6. R F TIf Q1 = Ja and Q2 = Da2. T R F4. F R TIf Q1 = Da and Q2 = Ja5. R T F6. R F TIf Q1 = Da and Q2 = Da1. T F R3. F T RIn all cases, we know which God is Random.QUESTION 3 I'm rewriting my Q3 to somewhat match my other questions' formatsIf Q1 = Ja and Q2 = JaTo God B, "If asked if 1+1=2, would True say 'Ja'?"5. R T F5J. Ja [yes]5D. Ja [no]6. R F T6J. Da [no]6D. Da [yes]If Q1 = Ja and Q2 = DaTo God A, "If asked if 1+1=2, would True say 'Ja'?"2. T R F2J. Ja [yes]2D. Ja [no]4. F R T4J. Da [no]4D. Da [yes]If Q1 = Da and Q2 = JaTo God B, "If asked if 1+1=2, would True say 'Ja'?"5. R T F5J. Ja [yes]5D. Ja [no]6. R F T6J. Da [no]6D. Da [yes]If Q1 = Da and Q2 = DaTo God A, "If asked if 1+1=2, would True say 'Ja'?"1. T F R1J. Ja [yes]1D. Ja [no]3. F T R3J. Da [no]3D. Da [yes]Remaining choices after Question 3If Q 1, 2, 3 = Ja, Ja, Ja5. R T FIf Q 1, 2, 3 = Ja, Ja, Da6. R F TIf Q 1, 2, 3 = Ja, Da, Ja2. T R FIf Q 1, 2, 3 = Ja, Da, Da4. F R TIf Q 1, 2, 3 = Da, Ja, Ja5. R T FIf Q 1, 2, 3 = Da, Ja, Da6. R F TIf Q 1, 2, 3 = Da, Da, Ja1. T F RIf Q 1, 2, 3 = Da, Da, Da3. F T R
 Posts: 1,155 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 10/18/2008 1:40:39 AMPosted: 10 years agoYour method also works, Light. Our methods actually work the same way, just your questions are a lot different than mine.I wonder what the author of this riddle used for his questions.
 Posts: 50 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 10/18/2008 2:01:35 AMPosted: 10 years agoThey sure do, beem0r.The whole thing is, you have to ask one what another would say so as to eliminate the need to find out what ja/da is. Your method originally was to aks A what A would say.This riddle is very similar (but more complex I think) to this one:"You are in prison. There are 2 doors. One leads to freedom, the other one leads to gallows. There is a guard at each door. One guard always tells the truth, the other one always lies.We don't know which guard always tells the truth and which always lies. Neither do we know which door leads to freedom and which leads to gallows. In fact, that is what we are out to find out (for obvious reasons).We are allowed to ask one question of one guard. That's one question in total. We get to choose which guard we ask.What question do we ask?"
 Posts: 1,155 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 10/18/2008 2:20:49 AMPosted: 10 years agoAt 10/18/2008 2:01:35 AM, Lightkeeper wrote:We are allowed to ask one question of one guard. That's one question in total. We get to choose which guard we ask.What question do we ask?""Would the other fellow over there tell me that this door leads to freedom?"
 Posts: 1,155 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 10/18/2008 2:32:25 AMPosted: 10 years agoAt 10/18/2008 2:01:35 AM, Lightkeeper wrote:Your method originally was to aks A what A would say.Well, originally I used the exact same questions 1 and 2 you see now. I changed them after I came up with question 3, trying to make all my questions look similar. That's why my old result tables match my current questions, and not the questions I used the first time I posted the solution. I changed the questions, thinking the results would be the same, but I was wrong.The questions I originally posted were bad, but the ones I actually had used before that were fine [same #1 and 2 as I'm using now].
 Posts: 50 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 10/18/2008 2:35:33 AMPosted: 10 years agoAt 10/18/2008 2:19:10 AM, beem0r wrote:At 10/18/2008 1:06:45 AM, Lightkeeper wrote:Leave out the part "in your language" just for now. Ask anyone the question "Will you answer 'no' to this question"? No matter if they are True or False, they will not be able to answer the question.Actually, False can answer. By saying yes, he is lying, like he is supposed to.....The problem here is that False will never say "yes". He will say "ja" or "da".
 Posts: 50 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 10/18/2008 2:40:18 AMPosted: 10 years agoAt 10/18/2008 2:32:25 AM, beem0r wrote:At 10/18/2008 2:01:35 AM, Lightkeeper wrote:Your method originally was to aks A what A would say.Well, originally I used the exact same questions 1 and 2 you see now. I changed them after I came up with question 3, trying to make all my questions look similar. That's why my old result tables match my current questions, and not the questions I used the first time I posted the solution. I changed the questions, thinking the results would be the same, but I was wrong.The questions I originally posted were bad, but the ones I actually had used before that were fine [same #1 and 2 as I'm using now].Yup, I follow. I had the same thing. I was first looking for a neat way of having one and the same question for all 3 gods. Then I thought "but why should they all be the same?"
 Posts: 50 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 10/18/2008 2:46:29 AMPosted: 10 years agoAt 10/18/2008 2:19:10 AM, beem0r wrote:Actually, False can answer. By saying yes, he is lying, like he is supposed to. Also, by saying no, he is also lying. Neither answer .........:Yup, it does make sense now that I've thought about it :)Now.... who's gonna go and check the intended answer? LOL
 Posts: 1,155 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 10/18/2008 2:51:38 AMPosted: 10 years agoZero's got the book. Or at least, he said it was in Chapter 29 of something or another, so I figured he has it.