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3/27/2011 9:24:26 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/27/2011 3:13:40 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:08:21 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:03:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 2:49:56 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Yes, we came to conclusion that this: http://peacethought.com... = sexy

What kind of ****ed in the head creature came up with the idea of wearing a religious modesty garment with prominent makeup? Is she also wearing fishnets under all that?

Alot of girls in hijab wear makeup actually, lol.

The very thought disgusts me. I don't much care for makeup anyway unless it's in self-consciously degrading porn, but wearing it with hijab just shows a complete lack of integrity (unless perhaps it's a professionally or legally mandated hijab rather than a statement of belief, which shows lack of integrity on the part of the mandater).

Lolwut?
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3/27/2011 10:27:22 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/27/2011 9:24:26 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:13:40 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:08:21 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:03:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 2:49:56 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Yes, we came to conclusion that this: http://peacethought.com... = sexy

What kind of ****ed in the head creature came up with the idea of wearing a religious modesty garment with prominent makeup? Is she also wearing fishnets under all that?

Alot of girls in hijab wear makeup actually, lol.

The very thought disgusts me. I don't much care for makeup anyway unless it's in self-consciously degrading porn, but wearing it with hijab just shows a complete lack of integrity (unless perhaps it's a professionally or legally mandated hijab rather than a statement of belief, which shows lack of integrity on the part of the mandater).

Lolwut?

What?
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3/27/2011 10:42:16 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
I don't mind if someone wants to wear make up sometimes, but when they start depending on it to define who they are it seems kinda trashy, desperate, etc to me. Like they can't be happy with who they are. The same goes for people that wear the same colors, or outfits like everyday (from short skirts and tank tops, to baggy pants and black t-shirts, to skinny jeans and glittery shirts, etc, and yeah, even if something is sexy as hell, hijabs too. They have their place, but if your going to be doing something like taking pics, or hanging out with people that think hijabs make people sexier, all the "holiness" of them kinda fades. It just becomes as pointlessand ritualistic as a whore putting on her makeup, which is why I am neither offended by, nor shocked by women that do both.)
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3/27/2011 11:41:45 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/27/2011 10:27:22 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 9:24:26 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:13:40 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:08:21 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:03:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 2:49:56 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Yes, we came to conclusion that this: http://peacethought.com... = sexy

What kind of ****ed in the head creature came up with the idea of wearing a religious modesty garment with prominent makeup? Is she also wearing fishnets under all that?

Alot of girls in hijab wear makeup actually, lol.

The very thought disgusts me. I don't much care for makeup anyway unless it's in self-consciously degrading porn, but wearing it with hijab just shows a complete lack of integrity (unless perhaps it's a professionally or legally mandated hijab rather than a statement of belief, which shows lack of integrity on the part of the mandater).

Lolwut?

What?

Anyone who wears make-up is degrading themselves? o.O
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3/27/2011 11:43:02 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/27/2011 10:42:16 PM, lovelife wrote:
I don't mind if someone wants to wear make up sometimes, but when they start depending on it to define who they are it seems kinda trashy, desperate, etc to me. Like they can't be happy with who they are. The same goes for people that wear the same colors, or outfits like everyday (from short skirts and tank tops, to baggy pants and black t-shirts, to skinny jeans and glittery shirts, etc, and yeah, even if something is sexy as hell, hijabs too. They have their place, but if your going to be doing something like taking pics, or hanging out with people that think hijabs make people sexier, all the "holiness" of them kinda fades. It just becomes as pointlessand ritualistic as a whore putting on her makeup, which is why I am neither offended by, nor shocked by women that do both.)

Okay, I wear the same make-up every day. And I wear black, white and grey -- rarely blue -- every day. Am I now trashy?
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3/27/2011 11:50:01 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/27/2011 3:20:07 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:19:17 PM, Mirza wrote:
Wearing hjiab and still trying to make your face very attractive by wearing tons of make-up is not appropriate nor acceptable by Islam.

I think every girl I've ever seen or known who wears a hijab also wears make up daily (eyeshadow, eye-liner, and mascara).
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3/28/2011 1:39:18 AM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/27/2011 11:41:45 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/27/2011 10:27:22 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 9:24:26 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:13:40 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:08:21 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:03:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 2:49:56 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Yes, we came to conclusion that this: http://peacethought.com... = sexy

What kind of ****ed in the head creature came up with the idea of wearing a religious modesty garment with prominent makeup? Is she also wearing fishnets under all that?

Alot of girls in hijab wear makeup actually, lol.

The very thought disgusts me. I don't much care for makeup anyway unless it's in self-consciously degrading porn, but wearing it with hijab just shows a complete lack of integrity (unless perhaps it's a professionally or legally mandated hijab rather than a statement of belief, which shows lack of integrity on the part of the mandater).

Lolwut?

What?

Anyone who wears make-up is degrading themselves? o.O

Not even remotely what I said.

What I said, is, I don't like makeup, unless it's in self-consciously degrading porn.

That is to say, the necessary criteria for me to aesthetically approve of makeup is that

A. It is worn by a pornographic actress

and

B. That actress is, within the suspension-of-disbelief context of the film in question, playing the role of someone being degraded.

If it's degrading but not porn, I lack the suspension of disbelief necessary for the makeup to contribute to appearance, not to mention, I probably disapprove of such degradation.

If it's porn but not degrading, the makeup contributes nothing and only detracts.

This says nothing about women who wear makeup, it only says things about my aesthetic preferences. ^_^
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3/28/2011 2:02:30 AM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/27/2011 11:50:01 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:20:07 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:19:17 PM, Mirza wrote:
Wearing hjiab and still trying to make your face very attractive by wearing tons of make-up is not appropriate nor acceptable by Islam.

I think every girl I've ever seen or known who wears a hijab also wears make up daily (eyeshadow, eye-liner, and mascara).

Like I said, its the same thing if you wear the hijab everywhere, and everyday without taking in things into account. Most people that wear it these days either
1) are forced to; by law, or by family.
2) Do so for aesthetic purposes, and not as some spiritual voodoo stuff that makes them chaste somehow. Cause chastisy and purity is based on the way you look and dress, not based on your actions or intentions *rolls eyes* The way I see it is if a woman walks stark naked around town, and she has no intentions by it and is simply being her normal default human self without covering it or calling it a sin to be herself, she's just as chaste as a woman who wear's a hijab as part of her custom, and more so than one who does so in order to seem sexier. Of course less so than one who wears hijab with the actual intention of being modest.
But the last one is very rare. And NEVER comes from being forced to by law or by family.
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3/28/2011 2:40:18 AM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/27/2011 10:42:16 PM, lovelife wrote:
I don't mind if someone wants to wear make up sometimes, but when they start depending on it to define who they are it seems kinda trashy, desperate, etc to me. Like they can't be happy with who they are. The same goes for people that wear the same colors, or outfits like everyday (from short skirts and tank tops, to baggy pants and black t-shirts, to skinny jeans and glittery shirts, etc, and yeah, even if something is sexy as hell, hijabs too. They have their place, but if your going to be doing something like taking pics, or hanging out with people that think hijabs make people sexier, all the "holiness" of them kinda fades. It just becomes as pointlessand ritualistic as a whore putting on her makeup, which is why I am neither offended by, nor shocked by women that do both.)

My guess is that many Muslim women who wear both the hijab and makeup do so because both accentuate their femininity. Many may come to wear both constantly because there is never a day where they feel less female, or want to be seen as less feminine. I know that is why many non-muslim women feel uncomfortable without makeup - something that started as a boost became a baseline identity, where they feel anxious and self consciously less beautiful without it.

Say what you want about the lack of character or whatever associated with that, but it is similar to higher hygiene standards - most young men I know would feel pretty self conscious in public where girls can see (smell) them if they could not shower or use underarm deodorant for several days.
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3/28/2011 4:51:03 AM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/28/2011 2:40:18 AM, FlyingApple wrote:

My guess is that many Muslim women who wear both the hijab and makeup do so because both accentuate their femininity. Many may come to wear both constantly because there is never a day where they feel less female, or want to be seen as less feminine. I know that is why many non-muslim women feel uncomfortable without makeup - something that started as a boost became a baseline identity, where they feel anxious and self consciously less beautiful without it.

Say what you want about the lack of character or whatever associated with that, but it is similar to higher hygiene standards - most young men I know would feel pretty self conscious in public where girls can see (smell) them if they could not shower or use underarm deodorant for several days.

Good post.

At my daughter's school quite a few of the mums wear full on niqab with heavy eye make-up and bling jewellery on their fingers. Of the female teachers who are Muslim, most don't even wear hijab though.
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3/28/2011 10:58:58 AM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/26/2011 11:47:31 PM, racist wrote:
The last people on Earth needing a lecture on suffering and humiliation would be the Jews? - you'd think. Google up "Kosher Killing" and prepare your stomach for a really bad experience. The 'reason' for this orgy of barbarism? Their 'religion'. Those who try and fold into the mix paedophilia or infanticide or murder because it's their 'religion' are soon set straight about what is or is not acceptable. To treat animals the way Jews treat Palestinians should also be a good part of letting the Jews know that arrogance is no substitute for common and humane decency. If your nature is tightly intertwined with your love of sadism, at least have the guts to be up front with it. Kosher killing must never be an excuse for hiding a catastrophic monstrosity behind the veil of exclusivity or self righteousness. Criticising Jews for their barbarism is not a criminal offense. To describe the ritual murder of animals in the grossest fashion as 'sacred' is a mockery of all that is sane and acceptable. When will this disgusting indulgence be condemned and abolished? Spare the platitudes. Caring about innocent animals can never be hidden behind the biggest insult - labelling critics as 'anti-Semitic'. It won't wash. Stop this animal holocaust now and repent. Consider that through the centuries the spirits of those same animals are now giving you the reputation you deserve.

What are Anmals?
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3/28/2011 11:01:38 AM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/27/2011 2:43:55 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 3/27/2011 2:36:07 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/27/2011 2:33:57 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Covered women are sexy.

Agreed. Lovelife and I have been over this. :P

Yes, yes they are.

I don't like burqas so much but hijabs are fvcking sexy.

Porn for me is just looking at women with hijabs.

Normal girls with uncovered hair, aren't nearly as exciting, and the whole slut look might be interesting for a little bit, but then it ultimately turns me off cause the thought of actual slutness is gross.

Most confusing is slutty dressing hijab wearers. they just confuse me and aren't really hot. Hijabs <3

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3/28/2011 4:13:05 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/28/2011 10:58:58 AM, Extremely-Far-Right wrote:


What are Anmals?

Any critter that singeth, flieth, texteth & voteth. Cheers!

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3/28/2011 5:08:50 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/27/2011 11:43:02 PM, annhasle wrote:
Okay, I wear the same make-up every day. And I wear black, white and grey -- rarely blue -- every day. Am I now trashy?
No, but it discontributes to your attractiveness. Fortunately the previous contributions more than cover it.
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3/29/2011 11:12:15 AM
Posted: 9 years ago
RACIST

??or should I say religion-ist?
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3/29/2011 1:09:41 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
"Unless very soon, very, very soon, the Brits, the Europeans and Americans come to their senses and physically remove the Jewish threat, they will become gentiles in their own lands and they will have no one to blame but themselves.

The same threat that already is plaguing the West, laps at the very gates of the Arab villages that grace the hills and valleys of the West Bank. The pestilence came to the Palestinian village of Itamar in the form of an Israeli Jewish beast who slaughtered with long knives a young Imam, his wife and three children, including a baby.

The answer to aggression from the Jews is to act in ways that make it so painful to them that they will come to realize that their violence and blood-lust becomes horribly counter-productive.

No there is a far, far more devastating response that Palestine must employ regardless of the howls of rage that will undoubtedly emanate from the Obama administration and the ever hypocritical international corridors of power.

A principled Palestinian government must now make an irrevocable decision and stand firm on it. That decision must be to finally respond by restoring, rebuilding and creating Arab villages throughout the West Bank and the Golan, every time Jews murder or harm any Muslim man, woman or child. And each new village should be named in eternal memory of that Muslim victim of Jewish hate and evil.

And when the world rages that Arabs are "building new settlements," the Palestinian answer must be made by articulate and attractive Palestinian spokespersons who understand the cultures of the nations to whom they are speaking. These ambassadors of Palestine must make an empirical and undeniable case for why ancient and ancestral Muslim villages are being restored from occupation and usurpation by non-native people of the Land.

The world must be told that, if for example, the Israelis set out to murder Palestinians, permanent Palestinian villages will be created and recreated in the West Bank – each one named after a Muslim victim. This must be official and non-negotiable Palestinian policy. Only then will Binyamin Netanyahu and his cronies in the so-called Israeli Government see where their hate and aggression is leading them."

Do you think that Jewish people would consider the above article anti-Semitic?
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3/29/2011 2:07:44 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/29/2011 1:09:41 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
"Unless very soon, very, very soon, the Brits, the Europeans and Americans come to their senses and physically remove the Jewish threat, they will become gentiles in their own lands and they will have no one to blame but themselves.

The same threat that already is plaguing the West, laps at the very gates of the Arab villages that grace the hills and valleys of the West Bank. The pestilence came to the Palestinian village of Itamar in the form of an Israeli Jewish beast who slaughtered with long knives a young Imam, his wife and three children, including a baby.

The answer to aggression from the Jews is to act in ways that make it so painful to them that they will come to realize that their violence and blood-lust becomes horribly counter-productive.

No there is a far, far more devastating response that Palestine must employ regardless of the howls of rage that will undoubtedly emanate from the Obama administration and the ever hypocritical international corridors of power.

A principled Palestinian government must now make an irrevocable decision and stand firm on it. That decision must be to finally respond by restoring, rebuilding and creating Arab villages throughout the West Bank and the Golan, every time Jews murder or harm any Muslim man, woman or child. And each new village should be named in eternal memory of that Muslim victim of Jewish hate and evil.

And when the world rages that Arabs are "building new settlements," the Palestinian answer must be made by articulate and attractive Palestinian spokespersons who understand the cultures of the nations to whom they are speaking. These ambassadors of Palestine must make an empirical and undeniable case for why ancient and ancestral Muslim villages are being restored from occupation and usurpation by non-native people of the Land.

The world must be told that, if for example, the Israelis set out to murder Palestinians, permanent Palestinian villages will be created and recreated in the West Bank – each one named after a Muslim victim. This must be official and non-negotiable Palestinian policy. Only then will Binyamin Netanyahu and his cronies in the so-called Israeli Government see where their hate and aggression is leading them."

Do you think that Jewish people would consider the above article anti-Semitic?

I suspect so.

The above article is actually an abridged version of the one written by Victor Sharpe, an author and journalist who contributes to The Wall Street Journal and Britain's Daily Telegraph and was published by Israel National News.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com...

All I have done is replaced the words "Israel" and "Muslim" in the original with the words "Palestine" and "Muslim" in my reproduction.

Tellingly, one of the comments on the original article reads as follows:

"Explain to me again, why do we have to wait for some Jew to be murdered before restoring Jewish village? I think we should be restoring as many Jewish villages as we can and as soon as we can.

Now, for each one murdered Jew we should relocate one Arab settlement out of Judea and Samaria to ... Gaza? And when "the world " would complain, we should answer that at least we did not murder those Arabs." - Seraz, Israel.

The point is that anyone that criticises the Israeli government or Jewish religious practices leaves themselves open to charges of anti-Semitism and racism (see comments in this thread passim) which would not be the case if one criticised an Islamic government or Muslims' religious practices.
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3/29/2011 6:32:31 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/28/2011 5:08:50 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 11:43:02 PM, annhasle wrote:
Okay, I wear the same make-up every day. And I wear black, white and grey -- rarely blue -- every day. Am I now trashy?
No, but it discontributes to your attractiveness. Fortunately the previous contributions more than cover it.

Wait, so make-up makes me uglier? Hmm...
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3/29/2011 6:34:42 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/28/2011 1:39:18 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 11:41:45 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/27/2011 10:27:22 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 9:24:26 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:13:40 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:08:21 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:03:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 2:49:56 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Anyone who wears make-up is degrading themselves? o.O

Not even remotely what I said.

I read the bolded -- and that's the impression that I got. I'm happy that I was wrong though!

What I said, is, I don't like makeup, unless it's in self-consciously degrading porn.

That is to say, the necessary criteria for me to aesthetically approve of makeup is that

A. It is worn by a pornographic actress

Why just porn stars? Why can't the "normal Jane" wear make-up without being immediately uglier? I'm actually interested, not being sarcastic.

and

B. That actress is, within the suspension-of-disbelief context of the film in question, playing the role of someone being degraded.

If it's degrading but not porn, I lack the suspension of disbelief necessary for the makeup to contribute to appearance, not to mention, I probably disapprove of such degradation.

Yes, but why?

If it's porn but not degrading, the makeup contributes nothing and only detracts.

This says nothing about women who wear makeup, it only says things about my aesthetic preferences. ^_^

You have odd preferences, my friend. :P
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3/29/2011 10:46:45 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/29/2011 6:34:42 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/28/2011 1:39:18 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 11:41:45 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/27/2011 10:27:22 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 9:24:26 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:13:40 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:08:21 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:03:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 2:49:56 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Anyone who wears make-up is degrading themselves? o.O

Not even remotely what I said.

I read the bolded -- and that's the impression that I got. I'm happy that I was wrong though!

What I said, is, I don't like makeup, unless it's in self-consciously degrading porn.

That is to say, the necessary criteria for me to aesthetically approve of makeup is that

A. It is worn by a pornographic actress

Why just porn stars? Why can't the "normal Jane" wear make-up without being immediately uglier?
In porn, you see, women who wear lots of makeup and are being degraded in the course of the scene are typically crying. Perhaps from the effort of suppressing the gag reflex, I do not know, but the crying makes the makeup smear and run off. They are therefore, in the context of suspended disbelief, being suitably punished at least in part for the sin of having marred their faces with makeup, and their appearance (and, of course, compliance) is improving in the course of the scene, i.e., the punishment is accomplishing something.

If it's degrading but not porn, I lack the suspension of disbelief necessary for the makeup to contribute to appearance, not to mention, I probably disapprove of such degradation.

Yes, but why?
Why do I disapprove or why do I lack the suspension of disbelief or why is suspension of disbelief relevant?

Wait, so make-up makes me uglier? Hmm...
The term "uglier" implies the presumption that you are already ugly prior to the application of makeup. This is not the case, you are attractive before and after. You are simply less attractive after, or, if you prefer, more attractive before.
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3/29/2011 10:53:25 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/29/2011 10:46:45 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
You are simply less attractive after, or, if you prefer, more attractive before.

I find it hard to believe when guys say this. If you saw me without make up you'd more than likely prefer me after. What most guys think is a "natural" look is probably not 100% natural.
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3/29/2011 10:56:27 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/29/2011 10:53:25 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 3/29/2011 10:46:45 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
You are simply less attractive after, or, if you prefer, more attractive before.

I find it hard to believe when guys say this. If you saw me without make up you'd more than likely prefer me after. What most guys think is a "natural" look is probably not 100% natural.

The comments were about NOTICEABLE makeup, but, you've sparked my curiosity. Give me a blind test.
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3/29/2011 11:07:00 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/29/2011 10:56:27 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/29/2011 10:53:25 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 3/29/2011 10:46:45 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
You are simply less attractive after, or, if you prefer, more attractive before.

I find it hard to believe when guys say this. If you saw me without make up you'd more than likely prefer me after. What most guys think is a "natural" look is probably not 100% natural.

The comments were about NOTICEABLE makeup, but, you've sparked my curiosity. Give me a blind test.

lol OH. I thought you were one of those guys that claims to prefer no make up :p

Anyway, here I'm wearing liquid foundation, powder foundation, blush, eye shadow, eye liner, mascara, lip stick, AND lip gloss.

http://www.debate.org...

Here it's just eye liner, mascara, and lip gloss.

http://www.debate.org...

And here, my face is completely naked.

http://www.debate.org...

So yeah, I don't go out in public like that, ever. I daily look like the second pic so any guy that claims to prefer me without make up doesn't know what he's talking about lol
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3/29/2011 11:15:59 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/29/2011 10:46:45 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/29/2011 6:34:42 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/28/2011 1:39:18 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 11:41:45 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/27/2011 10:27:22 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/27/2011 9:24:26 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/27/2011 3:13:40 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
That is to say, the necessary criteria for me to aesthetically approve of makeup is that

A. It is worn by a pornographic actress

Why just porn stars? Why can't the "normal Jane" wear make-up without being immediately uglier?

In porn, you see, women who wear lots of makeup and are being degraded in the course of the scene are typically crying. Perhaps from the effort of suppressing the gag reflex, I do not know, but the crying makes the makeup smear and run off. They are therefore, in the context of suspended disbelief, being suitably punished at least in part for the sin of having marred their faces with makeup, and their appearance (and, of course, compliance) is improving in the course of the scene, i.e., the punishment is accomplishing something.

I find this immensely amusing. First of all, the idea that "marring" their faces with make-up is a sin is an odd turn-of-phrase coming from you, Ragnar. Secondly, the idea that make-up is only allowed in the fictional worlds -- the stage, movies, etc. -- is also odd. Is the sin absolved simply because they are playing a character role? And if so, why? And lastly, is your indignation only focused on the make-up or do you find the other... actions a porn star commits also repugnant?

Please answer as fully as possible. :)

If it's degrading but not porn, I lack the suspension of disbelief necessary for the makeup to contribute to appearance, not to mention, I probably disapprove of such degradation.

Yes, but why?
Why do I disapprove or why do I lack the suspension of disbelief or why is suspension of disbelief relevant?

Answer please.

Wait, so make-up makes me uglier? Hmm...
The term "uglier" implies the presumption that you are already ugly prior to the application of makeup. This is not the case, you are attractive before and after. You are simply less attractive after, or, if you prefer, more attractive before.

Well, thank you for the compliment -- it wasn't my intention to coerce flattery. :L

But back on topic... What about make-up makes someone less attractive? In all seriousness, I think make-up enhances beauty rather than marring it. Foundation keeps the skin from looking blotchy and uneven. Mascara draws attention to the eyes by defining them. Eye-liner is a statement (which I like :P) which also helps definition. Eyeshadow is a way to have fun and enhance at the same time -- I prefer metallics. I could go on but I've made my point...

A woman is very rarely content with her natural look. Makeup is a way to enhance their favorite features and draw attention to what they are most comfortable with. It helps confidence and security while also controlling the image you put forth. I really don't see the reason why make-up would be a "sinful" act to you...
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3/29/2011 11:17:22 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/29/2011 11:07:00 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 3/29/2011 10:56:27 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/29/2011 10:53:25 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 3/29/2011 10:46:45 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
You are simply less attractive after, or, if you prefer, more attractive before.

I find it hard to believe when guys say this. If you saw me without make up you'd more than likely prefer me after. What most guys think is a "natural" look is probably not 100% natural.

The comments were about NOTICEABLE makeup, but, you've sparked my curiosity. Give me a blind test.

lol OH. I thought you were one of those guys that claims to prefer no make up :p

Anyway, here I'm wearing liquid foundation, powder foundation, blush, eye shadow, eye liner, mascara, lip stick, AND lip gloss.

http://www.debate.org...

Here it's just eye liner, mascara, and lip gloss.

http://www.debate.org...

And here, my face is completely naked.

http://www.debate.org...

I do in fact prefer the third photo, despite the fact that I normally prefer hair down. Of course, science tells us that doesn't mean anything since you didn't follow the instructions and make it a blind test. But that's your fault, not mine. ^_^
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3/29/2011 11:18:45 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
@ nonentity

I'm pretty sure he's referring to looks like mine where the make-up is... very noticeable. Even your look with "all the works" is quite neutral compared to my every day look. :P

But you're very pretty. ^_^
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3/29/2011 11:21:44 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/29/2011 11:17:22 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

I do in fact prefer the third photo, despite the fact that I normally prefer hair down. Of course, science tells us that doesn't mean anything since you didn't follow the instructions and make it a blind test. But that's your fault, not mine. ^_^

Whoops. It would have been obvious, anyway lol
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3/29/2011 11:23:53 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/29/2011 11:18:45 PM, annhasle wrote:
@ nonentity

I'm pretty sure he's referring to looks like mine where the make-up is... very noticeable. Even your look with "all the works" is quite neutral compared to my every day look. :P

But you're very pretty. ^_^

Thanks... I haven't seen what you look like with neutral make up though so I don't know... but I might be inclined to agree because I prefer the neutral look as well. I just thought he meant au naturel :p
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3/29/2011 11:27:15 PM
Posted: 9 years ago
At 3/29/2011 11:23:53 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 3/29/2011 11:18:45 PM, annhasle wrote:
@ nonentity

I'm pretty sure he's referring to looks like mine where the make-up is... very noticeable. Even your look with "all the works" is quite neutral compared to my every day look. :P

But you're very pretty. ^_^

Thanks... I haven't seen what you look like with neutral make up though so I don't know... but I might be inclined to agree because I prefer the neutral look as well. I just thought he meant au naturel :p

Nah, I look like ET without make-up. No one should see that. Ever. xD
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