ladskipdepiss' Forum Posts

Numbers do exist.Posted 7 years Ago

Well I am going to side with the ideal that "The System of Numbers" is a form of representation of our understanding of numbers (such as infinity only exists in our understanding but not in reality). I agree that the Numeral System exists to make our lives simply (natural number for counting, measurements such as weight and length to determine prices of goods in ancient times). Mathematical laws (pythygoras' theorem) and computational methods (calculus etc) are used because of their supposed real-life applications. Numbers exists to better our understanding.

I believe a more appropriate question to the problem of existence of number would be whether numbers are discovered or invented, for it to be more encompassing, "whether Mathematics is invented or discovered?". We could also ask ourselves whether the wheel/technology/science was invented or discovered or for any 'supposed inventions or discoveries'.

Most people are inclined to think that science is discovered, after all they call it 'scientific discoveries'. To discover something, it has to be already there and we do not possess it yet (and we must have knowledge of its existence), some science fits into this such as elements in the periodic table which we understand them by the names we gave them. We CANNOT justify that we have knowledge of existence of math before it existence because that age is far behind us.

What constitute an invention then? It is a creation that happens to function in the three-dimensional world we live in because we made it to follow the laws that governs this world. There must be conceptualisation and theoretical knowledge of its functions prior to the creation. HOWEVER, the conceptualisation of math and its function is done simultaneously ("let 1 be something/ do something = let 1 represent itself").

In my opinion, math is neither discovered nor invented. For a very simple reason: maths (and many science alike) is a manifestation of logic. Logic (akin to understanding) is inherent. Logic is not a discovery because you possess the ability to think (put aside how we think, and if what we think is correct), even "I do not think I know how to think" involves some form of reasoning [recall what defines discovery, knowing the existence but yet to have the ability]. Logic is not an invention because we can never conceptualise how logic work (to conceptualise logic, well, is to think how to think! The conceptualisation will end in how to think how to think to think how to think to think how to...). Therefore I would like to assign an intrinsic value to logic, and whatever subjects that are build upon logic such as math, science...

That is what I would like to think, but you can always break down logic and understanding to say it is subjective or whatsoever, but then how will you answer the question.
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