Intelligent Design=Ignorant AnthropomorphismPosted 5 years Ago

At 8/6/2014 7:35:59 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/6/2014 2:27:03 PM, melody1 wrote:
I am sorry to all of you atheists for the Christians on this forum that make the rest of us look bad.

Not just Christians unfortunately.

You are correct the laws of thermodynamics state matter cannot be created or destroyed. However, this also contradicts the atheistic origin of the universe, because there is no explanation in atheistic communities as to how the matter from the big bang got there in the first place.

I need to correct you. Replace 'atheistic' with 'scientific'. Atheism is simply non-belief in gods. We have no onus to explain the origin of the universe. Science has that onus.

Secondly, there was no matter at the instant of the Big Bang. The universe then was in a pure energy state, incredibly hot and dense plasma. Matter formed much later as a residue when the universe had cooled sufficiently.

Thirdly, cosmologists don't propose that the Big Bang arose from absolutely nothing. It could have been a change of state from an earlier, different form.

Since Intelligent design states the belief in a being who invented the laws of physics it stands to reason this being could bend these rules to its will.

And where did this being come from? Absolutely nothing?

I would thank you for a debate that is not based on personal insults.

No problem.

First off you still have no explanation for the beginnings of the "incredibly hot and dense plasma," or any earlier form
Next, science does not specifically disqualify intelligent design. Atheists using science attempt to. There are scientists who continue to use science to prove a creator. look up the institute for creation research.
Finally, all scientists agree that space and time is a "fabric". intelligent design expresses belief in a creator who knit this "fabric", therefore there would be no beginning for this creator as it operates outside of the time it created.
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Intelligent Design=Ignorant AnthropomorphismPosted 5 years Ago

I am sorry to all of you atheists for the Christians on this forum that make the rest of us look bad. You are correct the laws of thermodynamics state matter cannot be created or destroyed. However, this also contradicts the atheistic origin of the universe, because there is no explanation in atheistic communities as to how the matter from the big bang got there in the first place. Since Intelligent design states the belief in a being who invented the laws of physics it stands to reason this being could bend these rules to its will. I would thank you for a debate that is not based on personal insults.
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