Are Moderate Muslims not actual Muslims like the Qu'ran instructs?

Asked by: OutsideYourBox
  • I believe so due to the overwhelming violent verses in the Qu'ran

    Here are the evil verses in the Qu'ran that support my claim: Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
    But if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. Unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

    Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

    Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

    Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

    Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. What Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

  • Absolutely correct my friend.

    Moderate Muslim is a vague and rare rationale descriptive word. Where moderates live are often not by Christians or Kurds. They all live together and live somewhat decent lives. The poorer more religious sects that actually follow the ways of Muhammad and and we are not just talking ISIS here, all groups. From the Islamic State in Algeria and Africa to Boko Haram to ISIL. They follow the actual words and participate in crusades like Muhammad did. The Sharia Laws are the court systems and yes many people love living under ISIS control. Moderates are better than Fundamentalists. They live more Christian like I would say.

  • I think they are Muslims if they follow the main tenets or the Qu'ran

    In the same way someone can be considered a Christian can be considered one just by believing that God is the only god and that Jesus died and resurrected to save us from our sins you can be considered a Muslim by believing that Allah in the only god and that Mohammed is his prophet(and Ali if you believe he is his successor).If we only consider people that follow the entire book literally true followers without doing crazy interpretations we could only consider people that don't eat pork or birds and stone homosexuals as true Christians.There are indeed a lot of violent verses in the Qu'ran,but so does the Holy Bible,

  • Ignorance is Bliss, Tue?

    My friend "outsideyourbox" stated verses which are not complete and are out of context except the one he stated first which is wrongly interpreted. To understand The Holy Quran you need to know a fact about it that it is poetic and not aphoristic(like Hadith). If you know about aphorism then you must know that any statement rings bell even without it's source. Example of aphoristic writer is Oscar Wilde.

    Quran (2:190-194)
    The context of this verse was when the Muslims were to fight their enemies for their very existence. After thirteen years of endurance and patience, the prophet and his companions had to leave their home town of Makkah and to emigrate to Madinah. When the people of Madinah had welcomed him there and he was accepted as a leader there, the Makkans became unhappy. They wanted to eliminate Muhammad and his religion and so they sent their army to root out Islam. And the crucial battle took place in Badr. It was just before this that Muhammad received the revelation from God to fight:
    {And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.} (Al-Baqarah 2:190)
    This meant that the Prophet and his companions were not to start the fighting but to defend themselves against aggressors. That was how fighting was ordained but we must know that once we fight, we fight to defeat the aggressors, so that we can live without fear of molestation and invasion so that we can live in peace so that justice is done. Remember God does not command any one to start fighting, rather He permits people to fight in self defence or for the defence of those who are attacked unjustly.

    Quran (2:216) Jihad (holy war in the cause of God)
    The first mistake is misunderstanding of the the word “Jihad”.“Qital” is the word which refers to physical combat in war. Combat is ordained for Muslims in order to defend themselves and their rights, as well as the rights of others. The obligation to physically defend one’s rights, and to establish justice is the meaning of Jihad.
    It is most certainly a duty of all human beings to help each other from oppression and injustice.

    Quran (3:56,3:151) are talking about punishment in the afterlife for unbelievers. If you don’t believe in the Islamic account of Hell, not much to worry about, is there?
    Yes, Allah will punish in this world and hereafter. But it is nowhere ordering Muslims to go around carrying out a punishment. If you don’t believe in Allah, then you should have no problem with this deity casting terror into your hearts, am I right? Again, nowhere is it ordering Muslims to do anything. It’s irrelevant to this discussion.

    Moderate Muslims DO know about the context, without being Extremists/Radicals.

  • There isn't such as Moderate Muslims and Extremist Muslims

    The five pillars of Islam are The testimony of faith, Prayer, Giving Zakat, Fasting the Month of Ramadan, The Pilgrimage to Makkah. Moderate Muslims as the question says aren't considered muslims at all since you can't be a muslim person if one of the pillars of the religion is dropped or considered as unimportant. It's like a house, once a pillar collapsed it becomes ruins. Nonetheless, each pillar of Isalm have its rules and sets of performing it. For example The annual pilgrimage (Hajj) to Makkah is an obligation once in a lifetime for those who are physically and financially able to perform it... So I actually think, there's no moderate Muslims just Muslims believing in Allah only and Individuals pretending to be Muslims.

  • Don't Judge Before You Know

    Although you may think that some Muslims are not moderate, it might not always be because they chose that way. It's because some Muslims grow up in a society where the religion of Islam is not portrayed correctly and for this reason, many people grow up thinking they are doing the right thing when they're not. We could always be the nice humans we're supposed to, but not everyone is like that. So these people have to go on their own journey of education and enlightenment of their own religion to discover the right path. However, if they choose to continue in the wrong way, then they will be punished because they now know the right thing and they are preferring the wrong over it.

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discomfiting says2014-10-17T18:44:40.143
Are moderate Christians not actual Christians like the Bible instructs? Old laws still are in place yet 'moderate Christians' still disobey them, therefore they're not TRUE Christians.