Can fantasy elves can beat fantasy dwarves in a fight?

Asked by: Lordgrae
  • This would be a very good fight.

    There are many factors that can make either race the victor. But lets paint a picture. A flat battle ground with the elves standing opposite of the dwarves. The two fantasy powerhouses charging against each other in a battle that only has room for one victor. Dwarves are known for their blacksmithing skills which would mean that their armor and melee weapons would be unmatched. The elves on the other hand are know mainly for their archery, which means that by the time that the dwarves get to the elves, half of them would be already eliminated. It would be a epic battle of course and i'm not saying by any means that the dwarves don't have a battle plan, but dwarves are also very well know for being stubborn. I could honestly write a book about a battle like this and it would be a very very long book. But ultimately, i would have to make the elves win because i see their potential, even though i like dwarves more than i like elves.

  • After watching the Hobbit, yes.

    The new Hobbit film greatly illustrates how inferior dwarves are to elves. The dwarves seem helpless, only surviving through luck rather than skill, whereas the elves seem invincible with their kung-fu skills, chopping of heads left and right where they go (run/fly/float/soar/cartwheel/etc). Of course, in another story (film) the skills might have been more equally distributed among elves and dwarves ;)

  • Elves most definitely.

    Well, I Lord Graesil shu Aln de Alanai en Saeron, would use magic to silence my dwarves opponent, causing him to be unable to use his runic magic against me. At this point, my foe would most likely try and use a ranged weapon, probably a crossbow. To defeat this, I would cut the string with a throwing knife, and most likely make a dent in his armor in the process. Having no more options, my enemy would probably take out his crush damage melee weapon. I would use my superior elven speed to dodge the slow, brute attacks, and draw close enough to stab at the gap in his helm. If this does not kill my opponent, he will be too injured to fight at normal capacity, and would be easily defeated.

  • It would be a heated battle, but dwarves would come out triumphant in most scenarios. *Note: I'm not claiming the dwarves would win allthe time*

    Supposing that this is indeed a battle between the two races, I think that many of you fail to take into account the advantages that the dwarves have over elves as well as the advantages the elves have.
    Equipment. The dwarves are known for their skills in a forge and their skill is regarded as unparalleled. So assuming the dwarves are superior in this field, it will give them the advantage of their weapons and armour being more effective. Meanwhile, whilst I do not deny the fact that the elves are brilliant craftsmen, their armour is designed so they can hop around, so they provide less protection against attacks.

    Note that the dwarves have archers and sorcerers as well as the elves. And these dwarves have been trained to handle these weapons and so cannot be assumed to fire with no discipline and without hitting a single targets whilst you presume that the elves would hit the dwarves at their weakest link and instantly kill the dwarf with every arrow. And so if we're counting the number of dead before the two sides clash, I doubt that the difference will be as great as you all make it out to be.

    In terms of personality, whilst generalisations can be made for all races, that does not mean to say that every dwarf and elf acts in this way. A dwarven general would not be as stubborn and hot-headed as others may be. Again, let's not be racist! These dwarves have been trained in the field of strategy and are nor liable to just send their troops charging at random. And dwarven soldiers would be disciplined just as the soldiers of any army, including elves. Vice versa, elves can be as stubborn and as impulsive as a dwarf can. These traits are not restricted to dwarves.

    Whilst the elves may have a slight upper hand before any confrontation, it's at this stage that the dwarf takes the upper hand. Against brute strangth, aility and precision are inferior in close combat. Whilst the elves can dodge the dwarven attacks for quite some while, all it takes is a single blow to take out an elf whereas it would take more than one slash to bring down a heavily armoured dwarf. And at this stage, the dwarf is almost always triumphant.

    But I would like to point out that almost all of the above points could be disregarded if you take strategy and terrain into account. And without being racist towards either race, a great military leader can come from both races.

    It is unfair to use the the elves and dwarves in the new Hobbit film as comparable: When the dwarves escape Mirkwood, the dwarves have but a couple of weapons between all of them, are in barrels so have very limited movement and control, no armour and are being ambushed. So no, they're not winning purely by skill but that's unfair as they are NOT warriors but brave volunteers.

  • Ultimately it would depend on numbers and equipment, but but assuming it is a one-on-one, fair fight, dwarves would likely win.

    Ignoring most scenes from movies or books as those are the extreme or special exceptions for the story, and assuming both fighters are equally armored and equipped, a dwarve or Dwarf, depending on the spelling, has the physical strength and stubbornness to win.
    For the fight to be fair, no one side would have a weapon the other does not, and they would both be trained in using them. Which ultimately puts the elf at the disadvantage. Elves are typically strategists, winning through carefully planning and using every advantage they have, not in a dishonorable way but a efficient and practical way. A fair fight has none of these things.
    But then again a fair fight would never happen naturally, so it would instead have been a contest. No elf worth is bowstring would ever blindly fight a dwarf unless there were no other option on the field of combat, unless off course it was merely a contest between friends or rivals.
    So to truly answer the question, many deciding factors could sway the answer but in a even or fair fight, dwarves have a advantage in strength and being generally too stubborn to give up. Too strong to fight head on, but to stubborn to give up the chase or tire out. Only a truly skilled elf or one lucky enough to have a contest of archery or speed could win.

  • Reality of known combat supports Dwarves combat styles.

    The only way elves win is if they are given absurd advantages (such as Tolkien making elves in the 1st age of his books essentially gods).
    Archery is an overrated weapons in fantasy. In reality most armor and shields will nullify archery (examples ). There is a reason ancient armies were not made up of mostly archers, but close combat foot soldiers in.
    Next we have to recognize that plate armor is generally underrated in fantasy. It is constantly made out to be overly heavy and movement impeding. Again what we know of plate armor today tells us that well made armor is not only relatively easy to move in, but not overly heavy. (https://www.Youtube.Com/watch?V=q-bnM5SuQkI ).
    So to start off elves have good quality, but due to weaker physical strength less sturdy/powerful armor and weapons. The only larger artillery style weapons elves seem to use are ballista type, and in most general elf fantasy they don’t seem to use any larger artillery weapons.
    The dwarves will have excellent sturdy and powerful weapons. They also have their own more powerful bows or crossbows and possible fire arms. While not as accurate as elves, they would still be able to hit and kill an elf size target at range. Dwarves are likely to also have a large variety of larger artillery piece. Huge advantage if dwarves are given cannons/gunpowder style weaponry.
    So in the open battle field situation what happens? The dwarves moving in formation similar to would advance on the elves. The elves would shower them with ranged attacks but there would be few casualties (every story with elves I’ve seen/read doesn’t have all or even most making kill shots through eye slits consistently). In addition the dwarves would be showering the elves with ranged attacks causing more casualties due to better large artillery, lesser elf armor, and more powerful bows/crossbows. There would be huge casualties if the dwarves are allowed guns.
    Once the dwarves have closed to melee their superior strength, weight, and powerful weapons/armor would allow them to break and kill the elf formations. If the elves flee many would be killed as history shows fleeing armies take huge casualties regardless of being faster runners.
    Elf speed and reflexes would not allow them to dodge all attacks. Unless they move at absurd speeds simple physics means a dwarf can swing or jab with a weapon faster than an elf could realistically dodge with their whole body, especially since a dodge is a reaction to an action. In essence a dwarf would, in short time, overrun an elf trying to dodge attacks (dwarf mostly only needing to protect eye slits due to better armor).
    If the elves are allowed to use magic, then the dwarves should be as well or be given their magic resistance. This would then not give the elves a significant enough advantage to win.
    Well what if the elves hide in the forest? Fire burns woods quite well, no more need be said.

  • On flat ground Dwarves have a huge advantage

    From Tolkein to D&D to WoW and Warhammer Dwarves, they are all about the same in terms of size and depiction. I have a bias, I admit, playing a Dwarf on WoW and in games like Baldur's Gate 2 and any of the great isometric D&D games of the mid-90s and early-2000s, but elves and half-elves always fascinated me, that aside...

    Open field, flat ground would be a nightmare for just about any army facing a dwarven army. Imagine the 300 Spartans, but with centuries of fighting experience (depending on the verse, some dwarven races live as long or longer than certain elven races. Each can clock-in an average of 500 years esp the ones that see a lot of battle. How many of the immortal elves fell in Tolkein's world? Only immortal in their aging, really....Anyway...) Dwarves are typically stronger than humans, the D&D and WoW versions most definitely are, the WoW dwarves are as strong as the Tauren! (Bull Race, similar to Minotaurs in size and strength)....They have bonuses against fighting giants in D&D. They are so strong that they can strike up at opponents, a foot up, sometimes higher, and retain their punching power....

    AS a former a boxer I can tell you that punching-up = a nightmare for someone who is a puncher, you lose power exponentially, it's simple physics.

    Dwarves would be able to tank most kinds of arrows the Elves would throw at them. With no high ground it'd be hard to penetrate their shield-wall. Their armor could handle Elven blades, and when swords meet armor the swords tend to fail. Dwarves carry swords, axes, and hammers. Hammers are meant to destroy armor. Axes often have pike-like features on the ends and can penetrate armor. Elves would have spears, daggers, and a mixture of single-edged curved swords to regular longswords. All good for getting in-between the weak spots in armor if you're a good fighter.

    In the end the shield-wall technique the dwarves form would take out the elves who are much better at guerilla tactics.

    If you were to put this battle in a forest with the dwarven army having to deal with Elves hitting-and-running from the trees and brush, it'd be VERY difficult for generals of equal-skill to defeat the Elves in that scenario.

  • No I do not believe that elves can beat dwarves. I'm basing this answer on the Hobbit so here is my answer.

    First off dwarves have much better armor, shields, and hand to hand weapons than the elves do I believe( Although I'm willing to admit the elves have more agility and better archers.) Most likely, the elves would unleash a couple of volleys at the dwarves, but considering their discipline, heavy armor, and superb shield formations I do not think the casualties would be heavy. Then we would have a large force of heavily armored dwarf shock troopers with spears crashing and crushing right through elven ranks in which the first several elven lines would break. We would then have an equally challenging hand to hand combat in which the dwarves could counterattack with another armored charge therefore crushing elven ranks.

  • I have to disagree the dwarves would likely win and here is how they would:

    Same example flat ground the dwarves and elves on either side of the field. If I was the dwarves general I would put my heaviest infantry in the front so even if the elves use their arrows they would pretty much bounce off the dwarven heavy units and I would have light skirmishers armed with spears and swords while using light armour and they are covered for the most part from the arrows because the dwarven heavy units will be taking the brunt of the arrow volleys. So they heavy units reach the elves and take out the most experienced elven soldiers with the intent of creating a break within the elven line so the light skirmishers can charge forward to eliminate the stragglers fleeing the battle. That's what I feel I would do as the dwarven general so that's just one possibility I'm not saying the dwarves are unbeatable I'm just saying against the elves they will usually win but if the elven general gets smart and flanks the dwarves and attack them from the rear then the dwarves would lose.

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