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  • Because Phil Collins Sucks

    Enough Said. Over hyped. Just play any Peter Gabriel Album against any Phil Collins album. Just do it. It is that simple, Phil Collins produces ear candy. Easily forgettable. Peter Gabriel creates classics. Art. Music, that is not only incredibly influential, but something that you get something out of even twenty years later.

  • Yes, he did.

    With Genesis, Peter Gabriel worked tirelessly to create an amazingly innovative, wonderfully theatrical, never seen before art-rock spectacle that pushed the boundaries big time. It was such an artistic entity before Phil Collins took over and took the band in a terrible, soft-cock-rock direction. Hence, Phil Collins is completely responsible for destroying the band's musical integrity and everything that had been achieved. Collins was an OK drummer...,it's where he should have stayed..*Bang*, *Bang*....Instead of causing troubles within the group and helping the onset of Peter Gabriel's estrangement from his band-mates.

  • Yes, he did.

    Even though Phil Collins is often seen as a great singer and a benefit to Genesis, the truth is that he really succeeded in tearing them apart and bringing them down. He brought a lot of good to the table for them, but also brought a lot of problems with him.

  • Yeah, He ruined the great band

    When I ask someone does he know genesis, And then he started to sing "I can't Dance. . . " tears are falling out of me eyes.

    It would't be so tragic if Genesis was bad in new pop style. . But they was still great musicians and made some good pop content and became known around the world with that light music. It went to the fact that for the most people Genesis is just one of the nice pop bands – what can be worse?

    I wish they went apart after Gabriel left. .

  • He didn´t destroy it all by himself... But he took his part

    When Banks, Rutherford and Collins decided that they wanted to SELL music, Genesis died. They really made great commercial music, but nothing to do with the original purpose of Genesis. My God, many people say that the don´t understand Genesis music before Dude. Well. I can´t stand Genesis after Wind and Wuthering. Try to compare Invisible Touch, the best song of Genesis for many people, with Mad man moon, suppers ready, carpet crawlers... And you´ll see that excellent and commercial music are not the same.

  • Genesis and Gabriel were no good after they split apart

    I think they all behaved like sellouts after The Lamb. It was the band’s fault because they were against Gabriel’s big important ideas. They wanted to be the British Kansas. Phil Collins did not write good lyrics and he ruined a good band with his sucky pop approach. A success financially, but they were just another crappy pop band after the split. Surprisingly, Gabriel blanded out too. Very disappointing.

  • Genesis and Gabriel were no good after they split apart

    I think they all behaved like sellouts after The Lamb. It was the band’s fault because they were against Gabriel’s big important ideas. They wanted to be the British Kansas. Phil Collins did not write good lyrics and he ruined a good band with his sucky pop approach. A success financially, but they were just another crappy pop band after the split. Surprisingly, Gabriel blanded out too. Very disappointing.

  • He did but theres more

    Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins were equally bad and tried to force their own style on the band but to no avail. To be honest, the entirety of Genesis was the result of a series of very unfortunate mid life crises that went terribly wrong. I will stick to my Desiigner and Ariana Grande while you plebs stick to your aging prog ResidentSleeper 10 minute songs

  • Yes, he did

    The sound of Peter Gabriel is the Genesis I like and share. Phil, even though he is a great singer, is not the kind of voice that I find good to develop the direction that the band had during the Peter Gabriel period. Besides, I just cannot hear more than two songs straight with Phil as the singer

  • Led to loose uniqness

    Genesis were unique when led by Gabriel. I enjoyed the complexity of the music (which I think in the most part was Bank's) and the wit lyrics. After Gabriel left they gradually lost it. I still think that winds and withering and trick of the tail were decent but after that their goal was money and in that respect they made it. Overall as a fan, they lost me.

  • Nope. He didn’t. All other opinions are misguided and worthless trash.

    Nothing to do with Collins vs Gabriel, it is just a simple fact of life that Genesis truly never found their sound until Gabriel left and they cut away all the flatulent nonsense that he brought to the table. Maybe I can accept a bare handful of great tracks like Suppers ready and dancing with the moonlight knight, but Duke is their absolute peak and anyone who disagrees, well their opinion is worthless. Duke is the perfect balance of prog and new wave. After that, it was downhill all the way til they crashed and burned with that whalloper from Stiltskin.

  • Nope. He didn’t. All other opinions are misguided and worthless trash.

    Nothing to do with Collins vs Gabriel, it is just a simple fact of life that Genesis truly never found their sound until Gabriel left and they cut away all the flatulent nonsense that he brought to the table. Maybe I can accept a bare handful of great tracks like Suppers ready and dancing with the moonlight knight, but Duke is their absolute peak and anyone who disagrees, well their opinion is worthless. Duke is the perfect balance of prog and new wave. After that, it was downhill all the way til they crashed and burned with that whalloper from Stiltskin.

  • Butterfies come from catapillars....Genesis needed separation to grow...

    People say the band was ruined....Hogwash and dribble....Trick of the tail and wind and weathering were phenomenal prices of work. The band had reached a point at Lamb that really was going No where fast. Look at Pink Floyd and Yes....Society was changing. Even Rush was shortening the tunes...The record companies were demanding it. By definition they had done what they set out to do by Lamb it was time for the next evolution...Trick of the tale....Did the lose their identity? No..They just started to slowly evolve into what society demanded of them....They still play the older music and we have some great work to match...But to say Gabriel would have been able to keep writing music like suppers ready shows you are ludicrous.....Look to sledgehammer....A song every bit as bad as what you folks were complainging about Collins writing....We got two maybe three more great albums....Four if you count Duke which had its moments...If the band had stayed together the same rifts that were evident in Lamb would have grown and torn apartthe band

  • He did not

    Likely is Mike and Tony's fault. The two albums after Gabriel's departure were great. I think it was after Steve Hackett left when it all started to fall apart. Collins era is fine and they made great songs , but the last album made by Rutherford And Banks alone is just bad imho. Lets remember that there was creative differences beetween them and Hackett, which ended with Hackett leaving the band to pursue more experimental artistic aspirations

  • All the members of Genesis were uniquely talented

    But Phil Collins' voice and his more commercial ear saved them from disappearing down a pretentious prog sinkhole. Tony Banks somehow still believed to the end that this was his band, but without Collins I'm not sure how long it would have survived, even with Gabriel - I like The Lamb Lies Down but not sure where that direction would have gone eventually. Collins voice and Rutherford/Banks music together was special - Ripples being an example. Maybe by the time Collins left it had gone perhaps too commercial but the post Gabriel body of work speaks for itself.

  • They're both good

    Peter Gabriel Genesis has great songs, like Looking For Someone and The Chamber of 32 Doors, for instance. Phil Collins Genesis has great songs like Duchess and Like It Or Not. The only era of Genesis I don't like is Calling All Stations. People complain that they got too pop with Invsible Touch, for instance, but I consider that to also be progressive rock. They were using new technology and creating new things. I consider it to be just as creative as albums like The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. I personally prefer Phil Collins genesis anyways, not because it was poppier, just personal preference. They were both equally. Albums like Genesis and Duke are just as good as Foxtrot and Selling England By The Pound in my opinion. Also Three Sides Live is my favorite Genesis album.

  • Nope, he didn't.

    Success is what killed Genesis. That, and each member getting more and more set in his way with age. Gabriel did the same thing. Gabriel, Genesis and the three surviving members stopped developing after their mid-80s success. None of them has made a event album since 1986. The only one who continued to push himself artistically is Steve Hackett.

  • He brought Genesis to the next level or they would have been always known as an aging Prog band.

    Phil did not ruin Genesis. Genesis is great from their second album all the way to their second to last album. They did get more poppy with Phil but only after two full albums without Peter. They always held on to their prog roots. They had many epic songs with Phil throughout the discography. The peter era was a tad on the "too artsy" side where the Phil era was a tad on the to "poppy" side. Phil did not ruin Genesis, Tony and Mike had a lot to do with the direction of the band also. Bands can not always stay the same. Being a prog band means you change and test the limits. SUPERIOR HAS SPOKEN!!!1

  • Collins kept the band alive.

    Gabriel was unique without a doubt but if Collins hadn't taken over as lead singer the band would have died with Gabriel's departure. Yes they changed but not for the worst. Almost all bands change when they are together for decades. U2 has changed many times over the years and they have the same 4 members they started with.

  • Stagnit Genesis under Gabriel

    I don't know if Gabriel led Genesis would have survived the pop driven 80's or not. Gabriel as a solo artist made music that sold better, had more melody, universal appeal. Shock the monkey and sledge hammer sound nothing like anything that he did with Genesis. Conversely, the Collins led Genesis changed their sound over night, and not only survived the 80's, but influenced it.


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