Do we really live by the rule 'innocent until proven guilty'?

  • If you've committed the crime you are NOT innocent.

    This law only applies in a Kurt of law. You are PRESUMED innocent in the court. However if you murdered someone you are not innocent at all, you are guilty. When you get to court you are supposed to be presumed innocent. This is what the law means.
    For me, we have way too many people in prison for non violent crimes, too many laws but we keep voting for the same parties that propogate giant government. You get what you vote for.

  • The jury system works well.

    Jurors are carefully screened for prior bias, and elaborate instructions are given to jurors on the burden of the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. There are some exceptions, but the system works well.

    It's true that the media sensationalizes some cases and leaps to conclusions. However relatively few cases rise to the media spotlight and in even fewer cases does the media bias influence the jury. The opinion question is "what we live by" and what we live by is the legal system, and not press speculation.

  • No the real rule is emotions sentiments and biases If we want innocent until proven guilty to become true we need professional juries

    The reason it doesn't work is that we use a "jury of your peers". So a bunch of people with no legal knowledge or training and only a brief overview before the trial get to decide the verdict. They do not have an adequate education to know how to filter their biases in order to truly know what "beyond a reasonable doubt" means. They do not have an adequate education to know how to think about and process all the information in the trial. What's worse is that in many states it is illegal for jurors to take notes during a trial. Whose idea was that? How are jurors supposed to render a valid verdict without being able to take notes?

    We should have a professional jury, you should go to college and then you can become a juror, and jurors should be able to take notes and ask questions during the trial.

  • Biased based on race

    There's always a pre-disposition in the court system based on race and socioeconomic situation of the suspected criminal. It's sad but true. However, when it comes to a well off white man on trial the statement 'innocent until proven guilty' is true. When a minority is on trial the statement doesn't apply.

  • Guilty Until Proven Innocent

    This is a right that I would definitely say is often forgotten due to the media and how it alienates people and leaves the public believing every single word that the media is telling them. This right is one that really is not enforced even in the court room, although the law may say we are all innocent until proven guilty in court it almost seems like it is the opposite, you are guilty until proven innocent.

  • No We Do Not

    I believe anyone who thinks we still live by the rule, "innocent until proven guilty," is a fool. I know of one person who spent time in jail because they didn't fully understand that often judgment is passed first and you're left to prove your innocents. I believe if you examine any breaking crime you will see a borage of finger pointing.

  • Not really true.

    Innocent until prove guilty is a principle that requires the government to prove the guilt of a criminal defendant and, relieves the defendant of any burden to prove his or her innocence. Think about it if you don't do any wrong and cops, government assume you are you usually get in trouble or arrested right away then as they arrest you they read you your Miranda rights. I think that when government says this saying it should mean what its meant. Words of government should not be switched around.

  • OJ Simpson proved this false

    How many hundreds of innocent people went to prison because of a corrupt and racist LAPD? And nobody cared. The acquittal of an obviously guilty person was what it finally took for the system to begin worrying about its flaws. We reached the opposite end of the spectrum our forefathers envisioned. It used to be "better 10 guilty go free before one innocent is convicted." Now it's "It will take the guilty going free before we will worry about wrongfully convicting the innocent."

    I have some experience in the criminal justice system (no, not that kind). It ain't Law and Order. 99% of the cases are something along the lines of: guy with expired tags gets pulled over, has 10 warrants and an outstanding probation violation so he gets arrested and the cops find a bunch of meth in the trunk when they impound the car. The simple fact is there is absolutely no question the person who got arrested is guilty AT LEAST 9 times out of 10, so expecting people to pretend that's not the case, while great on paper, just isn't going to happen.

  • Many do not do this.

    For example, when arresting someone, police talk to them as if they commited it.
    Sometimes people are un-justly arrested. It is however a good system to live by. For example, If someone is accused of murder, and he turns out innocent, what should the police do then? It is un-just.

  • In particularly due to the media, we often forget this rule.

    With the way society deals with criminal injustice today, our media often rules a verdict before the justice system has. Whether through ignorance or not, many people pick up the morning paper, or scroll through their twitter news feed, their minds soaking up the information being fed to them, without stopping to question what they are being told. They read of a person being held trial for murder? Their thoughts are of HOW they WILL be punished, not IF they SHOULD be punished.

  • Innocent-not guilty verdict

    Facts are given to suspects so they can be sure that their confession is correct! If they did the crime they would know those facts! Investigations should be done then facts can be there for everyone to see. Gossip-mongers would not have a chance to muck-up the results for anyone innocent!!

  • Rogue Prosecutors Determine Guilt

    The lies and misconduct that prosecutors use to win cases have anything to do with guilt or innocence, it's all about winning, money and power. Read the book, Blind Injustice by Mark Godsey, Ohio Innocent Project co-founder, it's very enlightening. I have personally witnessed the injustice on many occasions. No accountability for misconduct.

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