• I think that it is our own fault not gods!

    I like god he is like my bff brother from another monther i lov god he is watching me right now I love you a lot god :D do u wanna have a sleep over? Tomorrow? Oops i accidentaly posted this in the wrong area... I meant to post it in word.

  • God would be the mastermind of human suffering

    On the assumption that a god exists, he/she/it would definitely to be blamed for humankind's suffering.

    First of all, we have to make the general assumption that most people do that the god in question is omnipotent and omniscient. While we're at that, we might as well discuss the Christian god since most people seem to be talking about him.

    As we know, suffering and death first came unto humans when Eve ate the apple that Yahweh told Eve not to eat. The apple that would give her and all humans subsequently intelligence. There are many problems with the idea that it was Eve's fault and not Yahweh's; I'll just point out a few.

    First of all, before Eve ate the apple, she literally did not know better. The apple was what gave her and subsequently all humans knowledge; it was only after she ate the apple that she knew to cover up her body because she felt embarrassed. If Eve could not tell right from wrong before she ate the apple, you cannot really say it was her fault, even though Yahweh told her not to eat it.

    Also, Yahweh is supposedly omniscient. He can see into the future. That is, he knew Eve was going to eat the apple. He knew she would unleash suffering upon humankind. But he did nothing to stop it. Maybe remove the snake. Maybe move the tree to make it inaccessible. Maybe just remove the apple from Earth. Nah, let's make it an easily accessible temptation plus a snake to convince Eve to eat it. He really did mastermind Eve's eating the apple. He could do so many things to stop it and knew she was going to eat it, but nope, he would rather let humans suffer just so he could prove to humans the importance of listening to his word. Considering that atheism levels are on the rise, I wouldn't say he's doing a good job of it either.

    Many Christian apologists also provide the argument that Yahweh gave humankind suffering so they could learn to appreciate the happiness they have, or learn to become stronger from their tribulations. That's really, really just BS. Tell that to the millions of people who get cancer and die horribly every year. Tell that to the millions of people who commit suicide. Tell that to the 6-year old child who was born with chronic heart failure, had to be hospitalised for most of his life and spent his life in pain, eventually dying before doing anything in life. If suffering really is some part of Yahweh's elaborate plan, then I just want to say it's a horrible, horrible plan, especially considering he's omnipotent. Considering he created the universe, earth and life, he created viruses and natural disasters and diseases as well. What could he have created such things for if not for the suffering and misery of the human race? He could easily have removed such things from the universe, but no.

    It's depressing.

  • NO! Suffering was certainly not part of God's purpose for the human race.

    -- However, the first human couple rebelled against God’s rulership, choosing to set their own standards of good and bad. They turned away from God and suffered the consequences.

    Today we are experiencing the effects of their bad choice.
    But in no way did God originate human suffering.
    -The Bible says: “When under trial, let no one say: ‘I am being tried by God.’ For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone.” (James 1:13)
    Suffering can afflict anyone—even those who are favored by God.
    Soon all suffering will end- when this earth becomes a paradise. (2 Peter 3:13) (Revelation 21:3+4 )

  • We are to blame

    Because God gave Adam and Eve the choice to eat from the forbidden fruit, so it was their fault that there is sin in the world. But before this happened, the world was perfect: no death, no violence, no sin all together. So in conclusion, God is not to blame, we can only blame the human race.

  • All suffering comes from our own actions or the plans of the Devil.

    One argument to support God being to blame comes from the book of Job. However, the Devil was truly to blame. He came to the Lord claiming that Job would turn from Him if he was not being favored. So God allowed the Devil to afflict Job. However, God uses evil in our world for good. In the case of Job, He used Job's faithfulness even in adversity to shame the Devil, and gave to Job even greater reward than he had had before.

  • How is it his fault

    In the Old Testament, God didn't make eve eat the apple, nor did the devil(satan). Eve ate the apple listening to the satan's advice. God can control certain things, but he cannot control the minds of people. Right now a human's greatest threat is another human. It is the us who make decisions, us who choose to hurt others, us who create suffering for others. God never made this happen, it was us.

  • Is god to blame for our suffering? No.

    Non-Christians almost always raise the question: If God is good and God is great (all-powerful) then how can there be evil in the world? Since there is evil, there must be no God. Or if there is a God, he must not be good or he must not be all-powerful.

    I think we need to deal with a couple of issues:

    Is this a good argument against the existence of God?

    How do the other world views deal with the problem of evil?

    What is the answer to the problem?

    B. The Logical Answer

    For many years, the problem of evil was seen as a way to show that Christianity was logically inconsistent. If Christianity could be seen to be logically contradictory, then it had to be false. The atheist is using the same approach that we’ve been using as we discuss the answers the various world views have to our world views questions.

    There is no logical fallacy in that statement of the problem of evil…
    ◦ · God is good.
    ◦ · God is all-powerful.
    ◦ · God created the world.
    ◦ · The world contains evil.

    Where is the contradiction? What they really mean is this:
    ◦ · God is good.
    ◦ · God is all-powerful.
    ◦ · God created the world.
    ◦ · The world shouldn’t contain evil.
    ◦ · The world contains evil.

    There is only an assumption on our part that there shouldn’t be any evil in the world. People assume that God must want to eliminate all evil. One would have to be omniscient (i.E. God) to know that there was actually evil that occurred that had no ultimate good purpose.

    Christianity doesn’t teach that there shouldn’t be evil. So there really is no logical problem. All we can really conclude from the argument is that God must have had a good reason for allowing evil and suffering.

    C. Pantheism says:

    If everything is God and God is everything, then you can’t have opposites like good and evil. Therefore evil is an illusion.

    So, when pantheists try to use the “problem of evil” argument against Christians, they are being inconsistent with their world view.

    D. Naturalism says:

    Since a naturalist doesn’t believe that there is anything that transcends the natural world. They really can’t believe in an objective “Good.” And therefore in a naturalist’s world view there really is no “good and evil.” Evil is relative and just a matter of subjective preference.

    The naturalist/atheist is also being inconsistent when he uses the problem of evil as an argument against the existence of God. But few, if any, recognize that they are disqualified from asking the question.

    This is a very important point. We’ve talked about how one’s world view must be logical, practical, etc. At every turn in the discussion we need to be able to recognize and point out where they are bailing out of their system and appealing to the Christian system to make their arguments.

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