To claim that a god needed to sacrifice a human form of himself TO himself in order to forgive mankind for the horrible crime of simply being human because their ancient ancestors (a dirt man and a rib woman) ate a magic fruit given to them by a talking snake is just ridiculous.
I believe this entire 'dying for mans sins' is an incredibly poorly told story. This supposed plan is just so incredibly convoluted and it makes absolutely no sense. So, let me get this straight:
We have sinned. For some reason god can't forgive sin or put an end to it, so instead for some reason he has to go through this incredible trouble to recreate himself as his own son (um, what?) by impregnating a woman (So, does that technically mean god got it on with his own mother then?) Seriously, what's up with this story?) and then he supposedly died for our sins.
All right, why did he have to die for our sins? He's god, isn't he? Seriously, this story makes absolutely no sense. This god is seeming more and more like a drunken frat boy that just does things because it's fun.
The concept of Jesus dying for our sins undermines God's alleged omnipotence, and furthermore is not representative of a responsible moral system. If God, presumably Jesus's father, makes the rules about what is sin and how it is atoned for, then he should be able to change those rules at will. He should not have to sacrifice himself to himself to change these rules. Furthermore, there is no reasonable moral system that says one person can die and pay the penalty for another person's crimes.
How does the killing of one person account for all the sins committed earlier? How is it just for Jesus to become a scapegoat?
If god was truly merciful, you'd think he wouldn't require the killing of a blameless victim who, by the way, doesn't even really die.
The main fear associated with dying is never returning to your life, and Jesus seems to circumvent this. Therefore, his "death" wasn't even truly a death.
The concept of an omnipotent being requiring blood sacrifice is absurd, as is the concept of substitutionary atonement, allowing people a "get out of jail free" card so long as the person "just believes." If the concepts of original sin or total depravity were true, an omnipotent god could just choose to forgive, or an omniscient god could have chosen to not set the whole scenario up in the first place. Instead, this said omnipotent and omniscient god sacrifices himself, to himself (if one believes in the trinity) to "forgive" people for not believing in him? Absurd.
Yes. It is like: 10 person commits crime but one comes who has never committed crime gets penalised and the 10 who has committed crime gets free after that.
Or, god does not need to kill himself or anybody in order to set humans free from sin, he can do it without killing or committing a suicide too.
Dying for my sins? What does one action have to do with the other? That's like saying I hit myself in the foot with a shovel for your mortgage.
To use up this extra space in the word count, I'm irreligious, but even when I was raised as a firm Christian, this oft-repeated concept boggled my mind.
The very essence of this belief is illogical.There is no need when the creator who is all merciful needs not to kill an innocent person to save the lives of the guilty. All one needs to do is ask forgiveness from the creator.This is one of the attributes of being the creator.Everone is responsible for their actions.
"Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through it's wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe." (1 Corinthians 1:20b-21)
To this world the cross is absolute foolishness, God doesn't want people who follow him just because they think it is the smartest move for them, he wants people who truly love him.
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God creater of the universe, evolution, where animals kill each other etc cant be killed by people he created, when you look around and see that only the strongest survive you have to believe in evolution.
And all that in a next life etc . I dont know, I see this life and cant just lie to myself...
In an evil world caused by evil men and women, Jesus became the face of righteousness. His death separates history: a time where humans were lost in there degeneration from a time of redemption from degeneration. The cause of Jesus volunteering for the cross was toward our eternal salvation, without which we would have been lost forever.
We are responsible for our sins, it is not possible for Jesus (as) to die for our sins, If Jesus (as) was God then died for our sins, then did God die? God is eternal He can't die, if the humanity of Jesus (as) died then there would be no atonement because humans aren't perfect
Jesus (as) wasn't even on the cross Judas died on the cross while Jesus (as) went to heaven alive, and will return and kill the Dajjal inshallah
Become Muslim today inshallah
or you will burn in hell inshallah
This question is totally dependant on the pont of view, as a human the question would be would you give up your life for someone who cursed you, beat you and than illegally convicted you crime you did not commit, yet you still could have stopped it instead let it happen anyhow, that would be illogical.
However God loves us so much that He had to come up with a way for us to be able to live with Him forever, without changing who God was, so He sent His only begotten Son who was the only person that never committed a sin, to be the way for us to get to the Father. In a view from God's perspective yes it is totally logical
Whether or not the biblical account of Jesus is accurate is irrelevant right now... Nobody seems to understand the message of the bible when it says that Jesus died for humanity's sins- especially our "writer" who graced this topic. First of all, God could stop sin, but the bible clearly says that God created the world because he wanted to make something great, and because he wanted people to worship him. As well, you talk about how dying for our sins is some sort of poorly written plot line. How ridiculous. In the bible Jesus gives the ultimate sacrifice so that the doors of heaven can be opened, and the bible states that he will come again to fulfill the rest of the messianic prophecies.
This argument obviously works in the context of the Bible, so let's use some Biblically informed arguments and logic to back up the stance.
First off, the argument must include a deity. Now if a deity created the universe and imposed moral standards, then no matter how much we disagree with them, it doesn't change truth. I get it if you don't personally find it reasonable, but that's too bad in this situation.
Second, the Bible and philosophies surrounding it would argue that God gave us the personal choice to follow him or follow our sinful desires. A God of love would so choose that because love only operates within the context of free will. He also gave us as himself an eternal and universal atonement for all who desire to accept it. It's like a 2000 year Christmas.
Cause killing an innocent person for our sins is an injustice thing to do, it's like robbing a store and killing an innocent human so the police would forgive us,and besidies it didn't happen and jesus isn't a god if he was he would've defended himself doesn't that make sense now ?
Jesus said he came to call us to repentance. He said “Go and learn what this means: I desire mercy, not sacrifice.”
John’s gospel pushes the sacrifice for sin idea. The word “repent” cannot be found anywhere in it. John also has Jesus dying on the Day of Preparation, when the paschal lambs were slaughtered for Passover on the next day. The other three gospels tell us Jesus died on Passover instead.
The Blood Atonement theology was not worked out until some 900 years after the crucifixion by Christian theologian Anselm of Canterbury.
The idea that Jesus died for the sins of mankind is perfectly logical.
Romans 6:23 states, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
This clearly states that if you sin then you deserve death. We have all sinned so therefore we are all deserving of death. The only retribution for sin is death. Someone had to take the punishment. Yet, the death of a mortal being could not wash away the sins of the World. The only solution was for an the death of an incarnate eternal being. So, out of his freewill, Jesus laid down his life for the sins of humanity.
Please take note that the fate of Jesus to be crucified was sealed and decided by the people he tried to help. Jesus was given the choice to either go against all he has taught and live or die with the values he held so high.
Jesus knew that what he was doing would eventually cause his death. By CONTINUING to try to save us from sin AND CONTINUING TO DO SO TILL THE VERY END, he has chosen the path to his death but our salvation.
When Jesus died, he didn't raise up with our sins with him.
And the salvation process did not end when he died, it continued when the Holy Spirit descended upon the disciples, and so on so fort.
God did not save Jesus from the fate of death to protect the free will of human beings, for genuine love can only come from free will. God knew that human beings will kill Jesus for trying to save us.
God won't simply erase our sins just because He wants everybody to go to Heaven. The same way goes the Justice System won't erase the records of criminals to say that "there are no criminals".