• Statism... Religion... Yes!

    Former Under Secretary of State (1928) J. Reuben Clark, Jr. On Sept. 25, 1949 said: “The slaves of Statism must know no power, no authority, no source of blessing, no God, but the State.”

    Former U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Ezra Taft Benson said: "Communism introduced into the world a substitute for true religion. It is a counterfeit of the gospel plan. The false prophets of Communism predict a utopian society."

    In a former secret document from 1943, written only for Hitler. The signature of Hitler shows that the text was approved by Hitler… “Immediate and unconditional abolition of all religions after the final victory ('Endsieg') not only for the territory of Greater Germany but also for all released, occupied and annexed countries ..., proclaiming at the same time Hitler as the new messiah.”

  • The State is a drug.

    People have become terribly addicted to the state. They believe they need the state to care for them and protect them and keep them in order. Problem is they only need the state in the first place because they know no better. Should the state disappear any time soon we would experience severe withdrawal symptoms such as chaos, outbreaks of crime and violence and confusion. The same symptoms the state causes in the long term. The state must be left gradually and slowly but surely progressively, so we can recover from this terrible addiction that is causing so much harm.

  • It's is government's god

    It replaces and supplants God and religion(s). But more than that, reaches a "cult" status as the individual is COMPLETELY dependent on the State. Not just worship, but absolute and complete dependence. So, in a sense it is an all eco passing surrender and religious belief system, more in line with large scale David Koresh/Jim Jones that Christianity or Judaism, etc.

  • It's an indoctrinated belief system

    Statism is the belief in the desirability and legitimacy of a State (Government). It is a completely indoctrinated belief system I.E. it has been mandatorily taught to the majority of the public through government schools and private schools where the government controls the content of instruction through textbook amalgamation and tradition. Statism is a pseudo-religious belief I.E. “Government” is not a physical entity that can be touched. It is a supernatural entity that promises to make the word a better place for the true believers who have accepted the belief system into their world view. The multi-generational oligarchical kleptocracy (kakistocracy) that has been ruling the planet from behind the scenes uses the same techniques that religions and cults use on their followers to indoctrinate the masses into accepting a ruling class. These techniques include: Religious symbolism in the form of the flag, “holy documents” in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, Mandatory “church” schools, Common prayer where children are required to recite the pledge of allegiance every day at school and at scouting meetings, More common prayer and militarism at sporting events where the government pays teams for the privilege, taking school children on field trips to Washington DC (Mecca) where they are taken to the monuments (temples) to see the Founding Fathers (deities), etc. These techniques produce “citizens” (cult members) willing to hand over ½ their income and, in the case of the enforcement class (police) the techniques produce a classic “shave-headed cult member” willing to kill and cage non-conformists who ignore or violate the laws (commandments) handed down by the Congress/Courts (church leadership) who sit “above” the citizens and wear robes (vestments). In the case of the military (shave-headed cult members) they are willing to go abroad and kill whom they are told in wars/”police actions” (crusades).

  • The existence of any state is entirely dependent upon the (erroneous) belief in the legitimacy of authority, the acceptance authority's role of powerplay in society.

    Any state that exists, does because the powerful have tricked 'its' 'people' into believing that authority is a legitimate occupation, and can be held. That it is something that actually exists, is all a mind game, an elaborate illusion. No one has any power over any one else, no one has authority over anyone else, unless it is accepted by both parties to be true. As long as you have the wide spread belief and acceptance in an authoritative power structure, that power structure will exist, and rule over your existence. It is a belief, nothing more, nothing less, the similarities between states, and religions, are uncanny, and have already been listed by others in this thread, and I have nothing else left to expound before I become redundant here, my take is? It boils down to belief, it isn't real, its existence depends on you believing that it does, the crux of religion is the crux of the state. Poof.

  • It's an anti-empirical belief.

    It is just as irrational to believe the state will solve societies problems with violence as it is to believe God solve societies problems with magic. God is not good, so the religious worship power. The state is not moral so the statist worships power.

    You can't apply the same moral laws to the state (or politicians) as you do apply to everyone else. Therefore the state doesn't make sense. It makes as much sense as believing theft is good if Jim does it but bad if James does it. Murder is good if God does it but bad if man does it makes even more sense than the statist belief because there are fundamental differences between God and man.

  • Statism is the most dangerous religion in the world.

    Religions follow a God, gods, spirits, or some deity without question. They have never seen this deity do anything good in person, but they have faith it is good. Statists follow government without question. They never seen government do good, but they have faith in them.

    Religious people follow laws or commandments set up by those they worship. If they don't follow the laws, they are punished. Statists follow laws set up by government. If they don't, they are punished.

    Religious people believe that they are to give money or help others in need. If they don't, they are either punished or shamed. Statists believe that everyone must give money to government (via taxes) to help others in need. If they don't, they are punished. If anyone questions it, the statist shame them by saying they hate the poor, racist, or hate women.

    Religions teach that you must tithe to help pay for the cost of the church and help the community. Statists believe that you must pay taxes to pay for the cost of running government.

    Religions teach that you must be punished for sinning. They have a list of laws or commandments and punish those that sin. Statists believe also have a list of laws and punish those that break those laws by issuing fines, extra taxes, and jail.

    Religions have traditions like baptism, ceremonies , church, marriage, and other things. Government has traditions like voting, ceremonies, uniforms, ect.

    Religions have people in power that talk to the gods, God, ect. Government has people in power that knows what the gods (elected officials) wants and talks to them. People like assemblymen, police, military, “law makers”, bureaucrats.

    Some religious people are hypocrites. Government and statists are filled with hypocrites.

  • I too agree.

    1) Is it nothing less than a belief that government officials are somehow more than oridinary people? Gods and angels? More like technocrats, whose field of understanding, so narrowly greater than the average joe, are propped up as demigods to guide the human race. Naturally, people would be guiding themselves just fine otherwise.

  • Statism has all the trappings of religion

    Religion and Statism have the following common traits:

    1) Centralization, with the greatest power concentrated at the apex of the hierarchical pyramid.

    2) Holy Books. Books of laws, codes, statutes and regulation serve as the regulating mechanism of the populace.

    3) Holidays. Like religious holidays, the state also has its own special days where the state and its important people are exhorted and celebrated.

    4) Clergy. The state, like religion, has special classes of people at the top who claim to have more knowledge and rights than the rest of the populace: politicians, judges, and enforcement officers.

    5) Temples. The state has its temples too... Grand structures built with stolen or coerced money where all the magic is supposed to happen: state houses, legislative buildings, memorials, courthouses etc, all built on such a grand scale that the people can't but notice its almightiness.

    6) Laity. What is religion without a bunch of die-hard followers. In the case of the state, it's the voters, "dutiful citizens", and the media class that serve to prop it up.

    7) Tithing. In religion, tithing is expected from the laity. In the case of statism, this tithing is not optional, it is guaranteed under force. Don't pay and you'll be sent to a hell of their own making: prison.

    8) Myths. All religions need a story at first to suck people in. In the case of the state, you've no doubt heard similar tales: good men throwing off monarchy for self-determination and freedom; what is good for society is good for all; all men are created equal; government will solve all social ills; without government we would have no roads or schools or healthcare. All of this of course, is nonsense because what they say does not match up to the reality of what they do.

    9) Infallibility. Belief in the state often breeds the idea that government is infallible, that it can cure all ills, that if the people don't like it they can vote to change it. But in no case will the populace ever be allowed to make it go away forever.

    10) Supernatural 'afterlife'. The state grants special supernatural privilege to those of certain rank or position. A) Itself -- it never dies, but just keeps on living thanks to the beliefs of its most die-hard believers and B) Corporations -- corporations are un-natural legal creations of the state that have been granted special powers of unlimited lifespan and limited liability, rights that no natural person can possibly ever have. Where these supernatural powers came from, nobody really knows, but them claim to have the lock on granting them.

    11) Patriarchy. Like most modern religions, the state has a fanatical obsession with male figureheads and bestowers of special knowing or wisdom. The Founding Fathers, the Framers of the Constitution, all all the other great old guys who supposedly delivered us from tyranny and into the arms of freedom. Or did they?

  • In many ways

    If a religion is a dogma that has no verifiable reference in nature or natural law then yes. Statism is a human construct that serves the needs of minorities over the needs of many. We must aspire to internal monarchy and mastery to achieve external anarchy. Anarchy = without rulers. Not chaos. Not destruction. Just without the idea, or concept, that one group of people have EXECUT-IVE power - clue is in the word - over others - that not one group earns a monopoly on the use of force (Rather, violence)

    THINK about this. THINK about the difference between VIOLENCE and FORCE.

  • No, it's an ideology.

    My understanding of statism is that it is a political ideology. A religion is a very different thing, with a prescribed way of thinking and of life and of celebration with similar believes. Statism is nothing of the sort, and I don't believe that most people have even heard of statism.

  • No, it's an ideology.

    My understanding of statism is that it is a political ideology. A religion is a very different thing, with a prescribed way of thinking and of life and of celebration with similar believes. Statism is nothing of the sort, and I don't believe that most people have even heard of statism.

  • It is a Philosophy

    Statism is just a viewpoint, just like being a Libertarian is a viewpoint. These viewpoints can feel religious at times, because of people's emotions. Plus, these viewpoints our passed from one generation to the next. Which probably gets embedded in our DNA after so many generations keep believing in the same thing. Which probably shapes our thought process before we even have a chance to discover new things. That is why it is always important to keep an open mind, and hear everyone's point of view.

  • Statism is not a religion. It is an addiction.

    Addiction - Addiction is the continued repetition of a behavior despite adverse consequences, or a neurological impairment leading to such behaviors.

    Classic hallmarks of addiction include impaired control over substances or behavior, preoccupation with substance or behavior, continued use despite consequences, and denial. Habits and patterns associated with addiction are typically characterized by immediate gratification (short-term reward), coupled with delayed deleterious effects (long-term costs).

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