Socialism is a branch of the tree that is Statism
Statism --> a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs.
Socialism --> a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, Distribution, And exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
The only difference here is the word "Community". In real application, The Community must defer to either a Government (the State) or The Church (any religion). Even with people voting, And having an impact. The fact there is a government pushing forward === statism. Sure, Maybe in an application of socialism through a Church is techinically not statism. . . However, In countries where the Church is the state. . Its still statism.
Socialism is a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
Statism is a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs
From the definition of socialism, the means of production is defined as the resources used in producing goods and services. Labor is a resource and therefore it is a means of production. The state has an ownership share of our productivity in the form of taxes. They also have the power to control us. They control and tax businesses through regulation. The state has ownership in everything that society produces.
The 2nd part of the definition of socialism: "control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole." is statism. Statism is the control part of socialism. Statism cannot exist without socialism. You have to own something before you can control it. We are just quasi-owners in this state controlled society.
One is just the same as the other with sugar on top. You can cherry coat it all you want, but when it comes down to it, they're both the same at the core. I do not understand people who choose to differentiate the two. I do understand people who fascinate over these types of government.
Not all socialism needs to involve the state. However for all practical purposes, the state is the only entity that has the power and resources to effectively socialize markets in a productive and efficient matter. I cannot imagine that these markets could effectively be socialized by any other entity in the world.
Socialists ideas are broad to say all socialists are... Is usually ridiculous because of the great variation of socialists including Social democrats, Anarchists, communists and others. Social Democrats are statists but anarchists are definitely not. Communists are a bit more complicated, ultimately all communist want to achieve stateless communism however Marxists believe in a state that will whither away as socialism then communism arises historically communists created statist regimes because while capitalism dominated the world there would need to be a state to protect socialism according to them. Some Socialists are statist some are not but socialist ideas do not require a state however capitalism does.
Socialism - a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
Statism - the principle or policy of concentrating extensive economic, political, and related controls in the state at the cost of individual liberty.
Statism is a very broad ideology. Generally, it is a society in which the economy is controlled by the state. With socialism, the economy is controlled by the workers and the people (i.E. The community). Big difference.
There are forms of socialist statism, but not all socialism is statism and not all statism is socialism. For example, there is such a thing as statist capitalism -- societies characterized by high concentrations of state-owned or state-controlled businesses.
Statism is economically left, but it's socially right which is completely unlike socialism.
I think you could make an interesting documentary if you went around this country and asked random people what Socialism is. The divisions of power between Statism and Socialism isn't particularly close, it's a real reach to say that they're the same thing. Statism is a far more restrictive concept than Socialism is.
I do not think that statism is socialism. Statism is when you make a concerned focus on the policies of politics, the economy, and other related topics at the cost of liberty. That basically means that statism pushes to place more power in the hands of the people and state to make things equal. That is far from what socialism is.