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  • No

59% 19 votes
41% 13 votes
  • Nothing in this world is free. It is all payed for by someone else. I do not support being funded by other people, as I have more pride than that.

  • Too costly, and university is not required to live. You can go get a job elsewhere. Also we have public universities for a reason.

  • It's too expensive sadly.

  • Nothing is free.

  • I'm not sure it's economically viable, but I'm in favor of increased financial aid. I recently read an article about how many billions in pell grants go to students who never graduate. It'd be better to use that same money giving more to students who do, which would require some screening. If they have failing grades, then stop paying, because they're not going to graduate anyway and most likely don't have their priorities straight.

  • In US, there's already free k-12. University should not be free. Kids should take k-12 seriously. Study hard and get a scholarship to fund partially or your entire college education.

    Posted by: deacc
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tajshar2k says2015-08-30T02:47:27.2800255Z
UtherPenguin, it isn't sustainable. Especially in a large country like America. The cost will be too high, and more importantly the quality of universities will lower.
UtherPenguin says2015-08-30T02:49:09.8941123Z
@tajshar I'm not for the complete nationalizations of universities, but I would prefer a two-tiered system.
TBR says2015-08-30T03:20:17.0076809Z
California university's were free... Until Reagan. Look, its not too expensive, it is just a mater of priority's. I would like a well educated society more than a "next generation" bomber.
tajshar2k says2015-08-30T14:25:53.6866544Z
TBR, thats why we have public universities. Its state funded, so the tuition is a lot cheaper.If there are high achiever's who aren't in a great economic situation, there are always scholarships.
tajshar2k says2015-08-30T14:28:14.3104628Z
I think In Canada and America we already have a two-tiered system. For example, the University of Toronto is a public university.
TBR says2015-08-30T14:47:36.5454334Z
@tajshar2k - The university system has room for best and just average students. They all should be tuition free.
tajshar2k says2015-08-30T14:57:20.5792244Z
@TBR I don't think prestigious universities like Harvard cannot afford to comprise their quality. The reason they have top quality course and professors means that they require alot of funding. Tuition free would mean the state would have to pump loads of money into these universities to maintain them. Even then, it is unlikely they will be stay at the top.
bballcrook21 says2015-08-30T15:00:31.2151992Z
The endowment at Harvard is upwards of 30 billion dollars. It would cost over a hundred billion dollars just to maintain free tuition at the 8 Ivy League schools. It would cost more than a trillion for free tuition at all of our schools. Quality does not increase when it is free, since there is no gain. Stop all government involvement in college, and the demand will go down. The reason why tuition is so high is because the government has forced you to take 12 years of their useless liberal indoctrination schooling and then they tell you that with this 12 years of education, you still do not have any skills for the real world. Then they tell you to go to college. If we didn't hype up college, there wouldn't be such high demand, meaning less prices. Demand= higher prices.
tajshar2k says2015-08-30T15:00:37.1155832Z
Like Utherpenguin said, a Two-Tiered system would be a much better option. Complete Nationalization of Universities will too costly.
TBR says2015-08-30T15:01:43.5528629Z
@tajshar2k - What makes you think the universities would have to compromise quality?
Logical.Assasinator says2015-08-30T15:38:38.1105104Z
The world is connected with computers. There is a huge problem with cybersecurity in the school systems and what is happening more frequently is students data are getting breached and as a result students are graduating underage (below 18) without the requirements. So implementing free Community College will help resolve this issue by letting more people earn their High School Diploma, Associates Degree (Equivlant to a 11th grade education pre-affirmative action) and/ or Bachelors degree (equivlent to a regular or gifted high school education pre-affirmative action). It will also allow those who are in DMR/DDS or DMHAs to prove the system wrong and to have a more accurate picture of which ones were Wrongly diagnosed as being MR.
tajshar2k says2015-08-30T16:04:55.3131689Z
Because like Bballcrook said, it costs billions of dollars to maintain.
tajshar2k says2015-08-30T16:05:17.4185106Z
Its literally impossible for the Government to manage universities.
TBR says2015-08-30T16:07:32.6245773Z
@tajshar2k - That doesn't address the question at all. What makes you think the universities would have to compromise quality?
tajshar2k says2015-08-30T16:13:39.5737328Z
Because it is impossible to maintain the budget, they will reduce the budget, therefore the quality is compromised. There's a reason why private universities are ranked higher than public. The private sector beats it all. There isn't a free tuition university that is even ranked top 10.
tajshar2k says2015-08-30T16:17:16.0995175Z
Why are private schools ranked better than public schools? Even you said you like private schools better I think.
TBR says2015-08-30T16:26:18.4805204Z
@tajshar2k - The universities are NOT getting less. Why would they reduce their budgets? This makes no sense.
tajshar2k says2015-08-30T16:28:27.8718968Z
Because, the state can't afford to fund 30 billion dollars to maintain a school like Harvard. Its just not sustainable. Simply speaking, the university can literally shut down if for some reason the state doesn't have enough money. Unlike free tuition, other things like public schools, law enforcement, are more important
TBR says2015-08-30T16:32:16.7244907Z
@tajshar2k - The budget concerns are... Well, not a part of this at this point. You are jumping to a conclusion without foundation. Universities get X in tuition today, they will get X afterwards.
Huntress says2015-08-30T20:54:35.1764681Z
@tajshar2k I agree with your sentiments. However, I think it would be possible to achieve without a loss in the quality of the education if you used a voucher system. If the colleges would let the government directly pay their tab, then they're not answerable in any way to the students and their families who once funded them, but to the government. And it won't be long before the government is dictating their curriculum. In the words of Frank Herbert, "The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it."
TBR says2015-08-31T00:21:11.2187294Z
@Huntress - Is this really the concern? I am asking honestly.
Huntress says2015-08-31T01:00:06.7721008Z
@TBR For those aware of the histories of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union it should be a concern. I see no reason it couldn't be done at least in part indirectly through a voucher system, so people could support the colleges they preferred. Such competition in education would result in a superior quality of education being accessible to more students. A two-tiered system would presumably produce a similar result. It may be Keynesian policy, which many conservatives spurn, but there is no reason we must jump to socialism in an effort to make higher education more accessible. And I agree it needs to be more accessible because of the vast increase in the number of jobs that require a degree. As Dr. Ben Carson said in an interview, "...Investing in your fellow American is really an investment in your future."
TBR says2015-08-31T01:06:54.5916335Z
I think we agree on most of these points, Ben Carson aside. I do disagree with the worry over government control. At the research level, a good deal of this money comes from the government, and is the most untainted money of any source. I could make the argument that banks are the most influential using the current system. I have no fear of government funding education, I would count this among the least of worries about our university system.
PericIes says2015-09-10T03:57:41.6333199Z
Germany has free college. This has allowed 6% of Germans to get PhD's. They also have a 36 hour work week, 6 week vacations, welfare, paid retirement, high standard of living, etc. Even with all of that, they have thriving business. They have the fourth largest economy in the world and are poised to overtake Japan as the third largest. This can work, but you have to do it right.

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