Triangle, what I mean is, the racism that was very overt and openly accepted in the past did not go away, it has been heavily ingrained into the very fabric of society and passed down through generations. Even today, a lot of white people deny their own societal privileges and advantages that came from years of overt prejudice, find every way to justify the hardships and systemic racism against people of color, ridicule and attack those who even dare to speak about it. The very term "racist" has been codified to mean something entirely nuanced and wrongly applied to everyone, when for it to have any REAL effect on society it requires power, which people of color do not have in this arena. Racism is more than just calling a black person the N word, or mocking Asian people, it is a intricate system of prejudice that affects every aspect of our lives without even realizing it. Those who deny this only perpetuate it, which also makes them responsible for it.
@briantheliberal Why do you over-exaggerate racism in the US? Racism in western nations is nothing compared to countries like India or Saudi Arabia. Is somehow not exaggerating racism or believing in white privillege to the extent that you do, that's somehow racist?
Also, how do you know upbringing isn't a factor in statistic gaps between races? African Americans obviously come from a different background than people like Asian Americans or Native Americans. Generally, African Americans are in poverty more often (as unfortunate as it is.) So economic-based affirmitive action is a much better idea. Racially based affirmitive action is sort of like counter-doscrimination. I could be born into a ghetto and have horrible parents. But then I'd be held to a higher standard then a white American born to a good and wealthy family.
Triangle, "Why do you over-exaggerate racism in the US?" - Why are you deflecting? What does "racism" in India or Saudi Arabia have to do with anything I said? These are not relevant topics of this discussion seeing as I did not mention them anywhere. First of all, claiming that "other countries have it worse" is not a viable excuse to dismiss domestic issues. Poverty is arguable worse in India too, how does that justify the poverty present in the U.S.? Does higher sexual assault rates in Saudi Arabia justify rape in the United States? No, it doesn't. Secondly, their view and classification (and history) of "race" over there isn't even the same as it is over here, so there is essentially no correlation to begin with. I also said nothing about affirmative action, so at least try to respond to me using points I actually made for them to make sense. And lastly, seeing things for what they ARE is not "exaggerating". This is exactly how this country is without even noticing it firsthand. The United States was literally BUILT on white supremacy. Pointing out this obvious fact and the obvious effects of it is not an exaggeration.
You seemed to exaggerate racism so I just gave examples on why USA is actually one of the least racist countries out there. I wouldn't really say USA was built on white supremacy, rather it just became a thing due to slave trade, the KKK, segregation and etc. Like I said, upbringing is a factor in statistical gaps between races due to races coming from different backgrounds. And according to you, racism hasn't gotten better and there's still racial bias in everything. I don't see why you'd want to deny the results of progress, blacks could barely even get a good job or anything a while ago. They were also segregated in different schools, and Jim Crow laws were in place mainly in the south. How are newer generations not less racist? Surveys have showed that people over time have been more accepting of other races. Several decades ago in the US, 50% of white americans said they would move somewhere if they were near several black americans. Now the number is less than 1%.
The United States is far from ever being one of the "least racist countries out there". It is one of the few countries that benefit the most from racism, historically and in present day. It was also built on white supremacy - the land itself was acquired (stolen) through mass genocide and decimation of Native American people. It thrived on an African slave reliant economy. Even immigration favored white people. East Asian immigrants were effectively barred from entering the country for decades via Chinese Exclusion Act. Meanwhile, only Europeans and American born whites were allowed to prosper and accumulate wealth. Don't forget black codes, Jim Crow, Southern whites repressing the minority vote through violence and legal discrimination etc... This country was literally built on treating non-whites as second class citizens. Why deny it? Because some people here find it offensive when confronted with the atrocities they benefit from to this day? I am not saying that no progress has been made in the effort to fight racism, but we still have a LONG way to go and everything isn't as great as you make it out to be when you analyze the reality of the world and society we live in. Blacks still face heavy bias and discrimination in employment. And schools may not be LEGALLY segregated by they are still segregated via red-lining and housing discrimination, AND predominately white schools receive much more adequate funding and resources than predominately black schools. This is merely one example of how racism evolved in American society. Just because the racism is not overt, and legally enforced, doesn't mean it doesn't exist anymore.
@tajshar2k I agree, it was more of colonialism rather than racism with the Native Americans. Unless i'm mistaking, the French and the Native Americans generally got along well. They just ended up killing them by mistake through disease.
@briantheliberal Well colonialism wasn't really focused much on race, i'd say it was more focused on culture. The Europeans were a lot more technologically advanced and had several large civilizations. The Natives on the other hand were more like hunters and gatherers, and they generally existed in smaller tribes.
If that was the case, why, after the United States was already an established superpower, did Americans continuously drive the Native American people off their land, called them "uncivilized" and "savages" and try to condition them to assimilate and act "like white people" and to top it all off, gave their land away (especially in the Great Plains) to white European immigrants? Don't simply call it "colonialism" in attempt to erase the racial aspect behind it, or use "culture" as an excuse to deny the racial implications behind the Natives being decimated in the United States. Race had everything to do with it, especially after the late 1700's when the classification of race was heavily proliferated and used to justify the enslavement of Africans as well.
I don't think Europeans went to America to spread white supremacy, but rather they needed a place to keep their overpopulation at a limit. @Brian I can't disagree there. It's a pretty shameful past, but they did develop the place, and turn it into strong united country. It's not all bad, but regarding ethics shameful without a doubt.
They turned it into an industrial wasteland, ruined its ecosystem, polluted its air, killed off its wildlife. I would hardly call that developed. And we are, even to this day, far from united as well, which is why we are still discussing racial issues in this country in 2015. The repercussions of the history of this nation are still in full effect, and conservatives are making sure it stays that way.