• Yes

  • No

33% 5 votes
67% 10 votes
  • When teachers have sex with their impressionable students that's pretty much how it works.

  • A minor can not legally consent, hence it is rape.

  • if the miner is giving consent then that's not rape.But it's still wrong taking advantage of a young mind.

    Posted by: reece
  • Both should be illegal but one is clearly worse.

  • Just because someone is young, doesn't mean they cannot consent.

  • If someone wants to have sex with an older person, its their choice. I never liked the term statutory rape, no rape was involved.

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benjaminimuffin says2014-11-04T08:31:43.5032689-06:00
It usually isn't violent
benjaminimuffin says2014-11-04T08:45:36.4398257-06:00
Giving uninformed consent is still better than no consent at all
TrasguTravieso says2014-11-04T10:23:08.8401231-06:00
And mere rape is better than rape accompanied by torture and followed by murder, that really doesn't make it OK. We should make an effort to find something we're on the same side of, Benjamimnimuffin. It may take some doing, but I'm sure we could derive some satisfaction from having at least something in common with a fellow creature.
Kreakin says2014-11-04T11:58:45.0749757-06:00
Rape does not have to be violent. Please DO NOT MINIMALISE THE EFFECT IT HAS ON PEOPLE.
blackkid says2014-11-05T07:42:05.7956484-06:00
"Giving uninformed consent is still better than no consent at all." <-- how does that even work? I swear, you people...
benjaminimuffin says2014-11-05T07:45:35.9330364-06:00
I didn't say it was ok. I'm just saying statutory rape should not be equated to forcible rape
blackkid says2014-11-05T07:46:17.4301004-06:00
And the reason is ... ?
mr.write says2014-11-05T07:56:14.3014044-06:00
First off statutory rape is a vague term, and not commonly used in the actual wording of laws. Secondly, are you trying to tell me a 14 year old girl has enough social sense to make informed and mature decisions about sex; that she is capable of giving rational consent to be with a 40 year old man? Doubtful. They know too little of the real world and would be easily manipulated. Chances are the original poster is talking about a situation like an 18 yr old and a 15 yr old, but one has to look at the bigger picture. Or rephrase their question....
benjaminimuffin says2014-11-05T07:57:37.3111328-06:00
Manipulation, while condemnable, is not as bad as the use of brute force
mr.write says2014-11-05T07:59:13.8970915-06:00
Rape doesn't require brute force, you clearly are stuck on TV definitions;.
blackkid says2014-11-05T08:00:13.4575097-06:00
First, brute force is a type of manipulation, second, your understanding of coercion is pretty poor; manipulation is often worse than brute force because instilling fear through blackmail, hopelessness through power games, or delusions through false promises from elders usually leaves no trace and no evidence and is far harder to break a hold of. I'd be like "GO READ SOME CRIMINAL PSYCH BRO!" but ... It's you.
benjaminimuffin says2014-11-05T08:00:19.0422739-06:00
You know I've been raped...
blackkid says2014-11-05T08:01:45.5125196-06:00
Number of f*cks I give? Zero. I won't let you create some kind of bizarre universe that threatens everyone else because of how you feel. Appeal to yourself on sensitive topics in a journal or at your therapist's office. What a clown.
benjaminimuffin says2014-11-05T08:06:35.4210612-06:00
You're completely and utterly heartless...
blackkid says2014-11-05T08:09:55.5521783-06:00
Correction: I am completely and utterly empathetic. You are the fool. You don't understand the gravity of what you suggest: "Consent" is not just nodding one's empty head, it's agreeing not only with soundness of mind but with the presumption of soundness of understanding to what one is agreeing to. Do you care? No. You'd just as soon throw those who've been coerced into horrible situations of fear and distrust and pain who deluded themselves into believing that they "agreed" under the bus because of what happened to you. It takes a real monster to decide that how they feel should be the standard for how the world works.
mr.write says2014-11-05T08:11:32.3069424-06:00
You cannot apply generalizations of "it usually isn't violent" and "Giving uninformed consent is still better than no consent at all" to an argument of legality BECAUSE the charges that would be put against said offender would be based on the unique circumstances of the crime. Do you get what i'm saying? Also, at any time during such action a person can withdraw their consent; so even it had been given prior the act is no longer consensual. I say this because these laws are there to protect people. Have you read your state's statutes? Do you actually know how the laws are worded? I have, i went to college for it. The original question "Should statutory rape be considered rape?" is actually irrelevant because Juvenile code is a completely separate book and set of laws. In short, the "rapist" would be charged based on the specific crime. I hate generalizations.......
benjaminimuffin says2014-11-05T08:13:22.4145656-06:00
Did I suggest the legalization of all rape? Is that what you're saying? Do you think I believe uniformed consent is OKAY?
blackkid says2014-11-05T08:14:30.1827032-06:00
The very term "uninformed consent" is ... You need to stop while you're ahead.
mr.write says2014-11-05T08:19:22.3157936-06:00
This "debate" has apparently turned into nothing more than mere unintelligible bickering. This squabble is senseless; seeing as you are arguing over terms you presume to be legal definitions and they are not.

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