Should atheists have to acknowledge that the 20th century was the most horrible time period of human existence as the result of atheists controlling everyone?

Asked by: GainWisdom
Should atheists have to acknowledge that the 20th century was the most horrible time period of human existence as the result of atheists controlling everyone?
  • If God does not exist, everything is permissible.

    We can see throughout history that the 20th century was by far the worst of any century added all together. Why should religious people particularly Christians have to apologize for terrible acts done in the name of Christ and non religious people get a free pass when it comes to someone that has a like mind of their selves? They shouldn't... Hitler, Stalin, Mao Ze Dong, Pol Pot were all atheists. When terrible things happen as a result of religion people blame God. Why should atheists get a "pass" from apologizing when other atheists do terrible acts of violence? I don't think they should.

  • I like how GainWisdom has managed to flip that false wars-by-religion idea back onto secularists.

    That falsehood has been refuted on this site several times, in fact. Yet secularists on here won't let it go. No wonder, actually, you even hear it in songs and on TV now.

    Before, secularist would refer to that falsehood and then point to the Crusades, now they've added the Inquisition. But they can only EVER give examples you can count on one hand, from almost 2000 wars fought on the Earth.

    I don't understand how people who claim to be critical and mindful thinkers could follow something so blindly.

    Stalin killed about 43 million people in his life time; one man alone. The Crusades took about 3 million over 200 years and many leaders. Stalin was clearly an atheist, yet someone on the other side of this argument is trying to say that he and the other names being tossed around are all religious people.

    It is clear atheists don't like their belief system questioned or faulted. Look how much the other side of this argument is trying desperately to twist/tie Nazism into Christianity.

    I mean really... SS officers were required to believe in God? The Holocaust was carried out according to Christian principles? Hitler was a Christian? I say atheist like to make up stuff, twist things around and pass it off opinion as fact.

    Hitler was a spiritual person, but he wasn't a Christian. He used Christianity to manipulate the German people, who were mostly Christian at the time. Charismatic people will often use any commonality with the populous. Even if they have to fake it.

    And any spirit filled Christian knows not to mess with someone or something The Lord has also blessed. So, since the Jews are the children of the old covenant, killing them would be killing people who were blessed. No true Christian would kill in the first place.

    Hitler and the SS were known for dabbling in the occult, performing weird human experiments, and, of course, the Holocaust. The very symbol they used – the swastika – is an occult symbol. They were known for extreme racism. Not one of these things are Christian.

    Even if he had a little faith as a Christian, he ditch that soon after he had secured power. Again, Hitler and the SS were known for starting their own religion, which was based on the occult.

    There are all kinds of books and documentaries on the subject of Hitler and the occult. Clearly the other side of this argument is making stuff up when they claim Hitler was a Christian.

    All because atheist don't like their belief system questioned or faulted. The side that claims to be logical is the side that often makes stuff up and try to twist historical facts. What does that tell you about your arguments?

  • Yes it should be brought up in every argument

    It is a fact that under atheistic regimes especially those communist ones hundreds of millions of people were killed for their religions, Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, and other were persecuted for their faith under communist regimes by atheists . Yes we should never overlook that fact and that should be brought up every time you hear one of them whining about people not wanting to elect a fiesta public office. I would not want to elect an atheist to public office seeing is atheist have killed over 100 million people in the 20th century which is by far more than all the religions on the earth combined. Yes even more than murderous Islam.

  • Atheism and Mass Murder.

    Concerning atheism and mass murder, Christian apologist Gregory Koukl wrote that "the assertion is that religion has caused most of the killing and bloodshed in the world. There are people who make accusations and assertions that are empirically false. This is one of them." Koukl details the number of people killed in various events involving theism and compares them to the much higher tens of millions of people killed under atheistic communist regimes, in which militant atheism served as the official doctrine of the state.

    Communist regimes killed 60 million in the 20th century through genocide, according to Le Monde, more than 100 million peopleaccording to The Black Book of Communism (Courtois, Stéphane, et al., 1997). And according to Cleon Skousen in his best-selling book The Naked Communist.

    It is estimated that in the past 100 years, governments under the banner of atheistic communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives. Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.

  • Yes they have to.

    There are many paradoxes existent within Atheism. One of such paradox is moral relativism which means that everything can be justified. In the absence of a lack in belief in God we also lack an absolute moral standard. This makes human beings treat other living beings as mere product of evolution without having any inherent meaning. In such a meaningless and Godless world many atrocities are carried out and ironically some of them are carried out in the name of religion and other such dogma. Hence atheists would have to acknowledge that the 20th century was the most horrible time period of human existence as the result of atheists controlling everyone. The communists were atheists and the Nazis and fascists have a wrong notion of what it means to be truly religious. This made them carry out brutality on a massive scale on humanity.

  • You can't do anything in the name of atheism!

    Seriously, get over it, atheism is only a word to describe a position in a question of whether one believes in God or not. It doesn't go any further and give you instructions on what to do in your life, it's just a position! A negative! "I do not believe in Bigfoot" does not mean that killers who don't believe in Bigfoot did it because they did not believe in Bigfoot!

  • Atheism doesn't support evil.

    Half of the men listed in the counter argument not only believe in God, but believed they were told by God to do they did. Not to mention that the statement: "We can see throughout history that the 20th century was by far the worst of any century added all together." is unbelievably false. There were centuries torn apart by war apart from the 20th. There were mass murdering dictators long before atheism came onto the scene. Look at the Crusades for example. Millions of lives lost for the sole purpose of exterminating religious groups that do not share the same beliefs the populous do. In any case, atheists did not, as the question claims, control everyone in the 20th century. Atheism was a very small part of society in those days.
    In no way should we have to "acknowledge that the 20th century was the most horrible time period of human existence as the result of atheists controlling everyone" as this statement is in all intents and purposes incorrect. As atheists we can see that the human race is unbelievably disgusting in some parts, and in others, amazing. We don't use this magical man in the sky as a scapegoat, we accept our roles in our functioning society like free thinking individuals. In the case of religious people commiting these atrocities, we do not blame God, we blame the disgusting life forms that are using the myth as an excuse. I honestly don't know how this can be seen as a debate. The statement is incorrect. Just to link it back to my opposition's title, if God DOES exist, everything is permissable anyway. Jesus apparently forgives all, so why should we care about evil when his forgiveness is a Get Out of Jail Free card. Because if we stop blinding ourselves with these stories, we can accept people do wrong things. We do right things. We can have a clear view on these actions, and not just brand them with "the work of Satan."

  • They don't have to acknowledge anything, evidence via they don't believe in the evident God or his moral order.

    Why should they acknowledge these atrocities? They do not believe in a moral order. We cannot make them acknowledge it either. First of all, we cannot change their will. Secondly, we cannot make a large, dissociated group answer for the actions of a few people. If we put these few on trial, we can convict them, but we cannot convince them of their conviction since for them there is no moral order. Even if their consciences convict them, they can deny it, c.F. Ronion Raskolnikov in Fyodor's Crime and Punishment. Therefore we cannot change them. We can just put them in prison long enough to make them change their minds.

  • Correlation is not proof of causation.

    There is a difference between people doing bad things, who happen to be of a group, and people who do bad things in the name of said group. Sure, many horrific leaders in the 20th century didn't believe in god, or have no record of doing so. However, this doesn't mean they did it BECAUSE of their lack of belief. There's no correlation shown between atheism, and committing horrible acts of violence. The 20th century is different from the crusades. The crusades were done in the NAME of Christianity. They weren't committed by people who just happened to be Christian. They WERE done because of Christianity.

  • Religion Has Killed More (In Comparison)

    If one were to look at religious people in history who killed many people, they would see that they have killed more. Don't put the exact number of deaths up against each other and say that is proof. Look at the populations of the times the murders were committed. Religious leaders killed more proportions of populations than atheists have. Also, don't blame the cruel acts of these people on atheism. Doing so will allow us to point out every religious person who has committed or contributed to murder as someone who murdered because of that religion. Most atheists have the average morals that most Christians, Jews, and many other religions share. Human existence was worse before the 20th century, for you could be hanged by mostly religious people for being gay or not white. The horrible things that happened in the 20th century were not the results of atheists in power, but the results of individuals who were able to influence many people while coincidentally being atheist.

  • All the people who say yes have more in common with Hitler than they realize...

    Mind you Hitler was a vegetarian. I too am a vegetarian. Besides the point! How is it that the blame for ultimate human suffering has to be thrown at one specific group of humans? That's like saying the whole class gets an A because Sally got an A. Or because Lewis got last in the race then everyone got last in the race. Did I give dumbed down enough examples yet? Only ignorant people who refuse to see humans as the same species and as being in this great race of life together would say yes. To those who say yes, more power too you. I guess the real problem for the people saying yes is the amount of people having the sense to say no. Out numbered you are..

  • Stupid argument altogether

    Hitler was a christian, he caused 6 million deaths. Just that alone disproves this argument entirely.

    But if you wanted further proof, the computer you're using to write this crap exists now because of Alan Turing, an homosexual genius who, apart from allowing western culture to still exist, would've been hanged, had christianity had a part in the ruling of the "world"

  • Very absurd claim

    1. Atheist have very little control over anyone, or at least not nearly the influence religions have.
    2. The 20th century is one of the best time period in human history. Its safer,healthier, more educated, more free and there is more equality.
    3. The presence of atheism has been shown to actually have more positive effects on society than religion.

  • ISIS is an atheist group?? Who would have figured

    It's funny how atheists have no morals and are the evil in the world when religious followers are the most feared group in the word today. Since the beginning of the 20th century people that identified as Christian, Jew, or Muslim have been the people who have begun and fought in all of the large wars of the 20th century. What is the saying you won't find an atheist in a foxhole?? In the most recent times what atheists have cause the great suffering in the world. GW Bush (war in Iraq and Afghanistan) The Taliban, ISIS, Much of the great suffering that goes on in the world is caused by religion

  • Remember When Slavery was legal?

    Wow, this is just so awful. Why did god not do anything to improve the life of these dedicated Christian's in the "dictatorship" of the Atheist in the 20th century. Yes we did have two World Wars and the second can be linked to Stalinism, but because AN atheist may have to do with it doesn't mean all take the blame. The Jew's killed Jesus and we don't drive past concentration camps on our way to work because their religious ancestors (may have) killed what is the figure of the most followed religion in the world.

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ChristopherCaldwell says2015-11-08T21:13:46.383
As long as Christians are forced to acknowledge the Dark Ages and Hitler were their fault.
Vox_Veritas says2015-11-09T13:36:23.237
Hitler was a nationalist who, at best, used religion as a front to gain the approval of the religious populace.
On the other hand, the ideology of communism as proposed by Karl Marx involved the abolition of religion. Communism was thus an anti-theistic doctrine so yes, communist atrocities were partially committed in the name of irreligion.
Vox_Veritas says2015-11-09T13:38:07.993
It is possible that some of the men described above failed to explicitly state that they abandoned their faith, in the same manner that some founding fathers kept slaves. This inconsistency is irrelevant and it changes nothing.
Vox_Veritas says2015-11-09T13:40:44.370
The claim that you "can't do anything in the name of atheism" is ludicrous. If you begin a campaign of religious persecution for the purpose of wiping out religion then such a thing would rather blatantly have been committed in the name of atheism.
Vox_Veritas says2015-11-09T13:46:03.737
The Dark Ages really weren't all that dark after the year 1000 and the cause of the Dark Ages was the collapse of Rome. If anything, during this period Christianity was a slow but steady civilizing force of the barbarian tribes.
jimmmy says2015-11-09T15:31:41.617
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