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Should Canada and the United States merge into a single country?

Asked by: bigdave
  • It should because

    They are right next to each other and it's economy would be better as one single economy with one governor. It would be fair for Americans to share land with the Canadians. I don't see why they are two separate countries if they seem to be good at working together as if they were united.

  • The World’s Largest and Most Powerful Superpower in History

    If the US and Canada were to merge or if the US annexed Canada, then the two cultures would blend and we would have an even better country which knows how to kick ass and get the job done, but only when necessary. Our culture would become the perfect combination. Loved by our allies, and feared by our enemies. The economy would skyrocket and send the merged country into a Golden Age. Not to mention that both countries combined would have an army with strength you can’t even begin to imagine. This country would be the largest in the world, surpassing even the likes of Russia itself. These two countries work together so incredibly well that it’s actually hard to believe they haven’t merged already. I believe, despite minor complications which would need to be worked out at first, this a relatively brilliant idea.

  • Increasing Probability Of Unity With Time

    Reading though the comments leads me to assume that many respondents are basing arguments on a merger occurring in the foreseeable future. This is unlikely as independent nations allow for a greater number of persons to retain (what they assume to be) power; a merger would require some (half?) to resign themselves of power (or all to relinquish some of it).

    But the issues facing humanity will change. Technology will change. And all empires eventually fall - or rather, change. I have to believe that in, say, 500 years, neighbors with similar language, values, ancestry, history, and dreams will reach a point where the red-tape separating them will finally be seen as just that: red-tape.

    Finally, there seems to be a lot of Canada-joins-the-US mentality, and fears that Canadians will lose identity. The hypothetical is based on a MERGER, correct? Why would US-Americans not adopt Canadian cultural aspects? I would hope that only the best traits from each side would survive (e.G. The former US takes a lesson in healthcare, former Canada adopts US business practices).

    I'm not advocating that the two nations rush into some kind of star-crossed teen-marriage, but giving recognition to such a mutually beneficial possibility would b a good start. Everything starts with an idea.

  • Increasing Probability as Time Progresses

    Reading though the comments leads me to assume that many respondents are basing arguments on a merger occurring in the foreseeable future. This is unlikely as independent nations allow for a greater number of persons to retain (what they assume to be) power; a merger would require some (half?) to resign themselves of power (or all to relinquish some of it).

    But the issues facing humanity will change. Technology will change. And all empires eventually fall - or rather, change. I have to believe that in, say, 500 years, neighbors with similar language, values, ancestry, history, and dreams will reach a point were the red-tape separating them will finally be seen as just that: red-tape.

    Finally, there seems o be a lot of Canada-joins-the-US mentality, and fears that Canadians will lose identity. The hypothetical is based on a MERGER, correct? Why would US-Americans not adopt Canadian cultural aspects? I would hope that only the best traits from each side would survive (e.G. The former US takes a lesson in healthcare, former Canada adopts US business practices).

  • Yes, but with a few caveats

    The US and Canada, even though both countries have a similar culture and similar demographics, are different in very subtle, but fundamental ways.

    First, there are the US's gun laws.
    Then there's the approach both countries have when it comes to assimilating minorities.
    Then there's both countries political systems. One is parliamentary and the other is presidential.
    Then there's both countries approach to how they perceive the government.
    The sheer size of the provinces
    Hate speech laws
    Oh, and Quebec.

    How I would solve the gun laws would be this:
    Any state that used to be a Canadian province can opt out of the more liberal parts of the 2A, provided that any law abiding, stable minded person is allowed to buy a repeat fire firearm.

    Assimilation for Canadian minorities will be a huge challenge. Canada believes in "multiculturalism" while America believes in a melting pot.
    Canada will have to be melted in with America on a grand scale, but some parts of Canada will refuse to be melted in. I'm sorry to say, but foreign born and first generation Canadians will have to learn how to melt in. No more "Nations within nations".

    As for the political systems, a compromise could be met. The individual provinces can have parliaments but they will have to adjust to a presidential system federally.

    Canadian culture will be way less cynical about the government than American culture. And there are also Canadian hate speech laws.

    A compromise would be to allow any sort of speech, but once it advocates for the harm, malice or death of any race, gender, sexual/gender orientation or whatever, then it no longer becomes "free speech" and is prosecutable.

    The sheer size of the provinces will be a problem. A solution to the problem would be to divide the provinces up with regards to culture and major cities. Western Ontario and Manitoba can merge and become one state, while Northern Alberta and Southern Alberta can divide themselves.

    Quebec would have the following options:

    Become independent
    Become a state
    Become Quebec Territory and choose to divide itself any way it chooses if it decides to become a state.

  • We can make it work

    The Us Canada merger is definitely beneficial to both countries.
    We would simply take the best from both countries, improve the military and it'll make China bite the dust.
    There would be a few implications
    (1 There will be 2 capitals (Owatta and Washigton D.C)
    (2 English is the official language
    (3 Donald Trump will be impeached effective immidieatly
    (4 Quebec may get its freedom
    (5 Kill China Russia and North Korea

  • The US and Canada Should Merge

    Canada and the US are very similar geographically and culturally, we share a common language, we are already very closely economically integrated, and 3 million Canadians live in the US and 1 million US citizens live in Canada. We would be the biggest country on Earth in terms of land area, and we would have the most natural resources of any country and the largest GDP in the world. For all those complaining about how horrible the American political system is and how it would ruin Canada, of course we would draft a new constitution and a new political system and hopefully work out laws that would make everyone happy. For all those opposed to the merge, I would suggest looking at the arguments of Diane Francis . I would go further than Francis in that I would actually create a single country instead of a European-style economic union, but she still provides many interesting arguments

  • Economic Opportunity and Development

    As I am reading the upfront magazine look at all the potential it would have on America although I understand that Canada is its own country I think merging would be the greatest economic advance in the history of america look at the things we as Americans have and what we don't have we have not a lot of oil reserves only 21 billion and soon that will run out unlike Canada's 173 billion barrels(upfront magazine are we headed to mass extinction?) if we merge it would boost our oil reserves out of the park and we wouldn't necessarily have to fight over it like in frontlines fuel of war (theoretically) also america has droughts every year and according to this artical Canada holds more than 20% of the earths water we could be "unqunched" this is a great idea in the long run and the presidents of America and Canada should consider Merging as one country

  • They are the same people

    The PEOPLE: there may be an imaginary political border, but the people are of the same viewpoints on most issues.
    ECONOMY: In the NW, for example; Oregon, Washington, Idaho, British Columbia, Alberta, Alaska, and Yukon, all possess the same economies of goods, services, and are tightly connected via freeways despite the border. Otherwise, Canada and USA are the largest trading partners in the world.
    MILITARY: The US militaries already protect all of its shores and skies protecting the whole of Canada as if it were America.
    POLITICALLY: Other than maintaining the title of "sovereign" nation, the capital city of Ottawa is essentially operated from Washington, D.C., the american Capital. Canada and the USA also has the longest unprotected national border in the world durr to the close ties of close beginnings of the countries.

  • Merger would be great!

    Merging would create a world super power and great for the economy generally! Canada would be incredibly lucky to be honoured with the option to merge with the US, gun laws could relax in Canada and the liberal politics would thankfully die! Should Trump become president he would make it a fantastic success!

  • Canadians have our own political culture, economy and laws

    I tend to like Canadian laws better than American (although I suppose I am biased because I am Canadian).
    For health care, I believe that readily available/affordable health care is a human right. Canada does a fantastic job with that, and that is one area where the States and Canada are different. America tends to invest into its military more than any other investment in its country. It spends so much on military, that it's defence spending is more than 10 countries combined !(China, Russia, UK, Japan, France, Saudi Arabia, India, Germany, Italy, Brazil) That could be money spent on health, education, welfare, crime deterrents/prevention.
    There are also gun ownership laws, Americans sometimes consider gun ownership to be a constitutional right, while in Canada, we don't normally allow citizens guns (with the exception of hunting) in order to prevent crime and wrongful death.
    Then there are some hot topic issues, like abortion, and gay marriage. In Canada both are legal, so the fact that these are still debates in the States is sort of cringeworthy. It would be disappointing to have these laws challenged yet again.
    And then there is the fact that Christianity pretty well dictates politics in the States, despite the image of "separation of church and state". Politics is clearly swayed by religious opinions, such as readily available birth control, abstinence only education vs honest and comprehensive sex education, abortion (again), gay marriage (again), and the fight to keep evolution out of "secular" education. The fact that a country could be so unapologetically bigoted with regards to how their religion influences their politics is just...Disturbing. Did you know that 6 States that have measures that successfully prevents atheists from holding public office? And that isn't even the beginning of unequal treatment in the States, there are so many other groups the States targets to discriminate against.
    And then there is the economy. Apparently the State's debt is around $17 trillion. It is a sticky situation, and Canada can't inherit that debt.

  • I like Canada.

    Canada is a great country.

    - No draft.
    - Free healthcare.
    - Isn't in the way.
    - Isn't fat

    I see many debates about gays on this site. Guess what, GM is legal nationwide in Canada. Move to Canada, problem solved.

    There are also a few other interesting Canadian laws, but I can't think of them right away.

    All that coming from a US person.

  • No it shouldnt

    Because the United states and Canada both fought on their own for their independance and they fought for their own land so that they could rule it themselves. We would have increased economy yes, however then Canada would have to take on our economy which can go more then one way. Making ourselves into one country could mean that Canada may have to take on our debt and that is not their job. Canada should stay Canada and United States should stay the United states. However if we were to combine all three of the north american contries into one large country we could have a few benefits of its own. We could come together as a large empire and be of our own world.

  • It would make goverment more efficient (Yeah that is my argument)

    Even now governments are difficult to resist and overthrow. If the governments start merging together it is likely that we lose the possibility to fight back. If they start crossbreeding homeland security offices and dmvs no matter how well armed we are, Its gonna be near imposible for the people to counterbalance state powers and be respected as the source of political legitimacy to the same extent they do now.

  • Perhaps Good for U.S. - Not So Good For Canada (Part 2)

    International measures of success:

    Canadians are much better educated, richer (median income), and live longer (82 years vs. 78). As the U.S. has embraces fear and populism, Canada has championed open borders and globalization. In 2017, Canada's economy is the fastest growing in the G7 (more than double U.S. growth). As you can see from the indicators below, Canada is out competing the U.S. across indicators.

    In The Economist Intelligent Unit’s Global Liveability Report, 3-4 Canadian cities are always in the top ten and Vancouver is usually always the world’s most liveable city. In 2017, Vancouver is #3, Toronto is #4, and Calgary is #5 (same as last two years). Another survey, the Mercer 2017 Quality of Living Survey, four Canadian cities (Vancouver (#5), Toronto (#16), Ottawa (#18), Montreal (#23)) are always near the top, and all the top North American cities are Canadian – no cities from the U.S. can be found in the top 25 (San Francisco comes in at 28).

    According to the 2016 UN Human Development Index, which measures quality of life in countries around the world, Canada is one of the world’s best places to live and is always in the top ten. In the 26 years the index has been published, Canada has been the top-ranked country eight times. The U.S. has never been above 10.

    According to The Heritage Foundation’s 2017 Index of Economic Freedom, Canada is the 7th freest country in the world. U.S. is #17.

    According to the Vision of Humanity’s 2017 Global Peace Index, Canada is the 8th most peaceful country in the world. U.S. is #114.

    According to Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index 2016, Canada is one of the least corrupt nations on earth. Canada is #9, the U.S. is #18.

    According to Reporters Without Border’s 2017 World Press Freedom Index, Canada is has greater press freedom than many other developed nations. Canada comes in at 22, US comes in at 43.

    Canada has lower corporate taxes than the U.S. Income taxes between the two countries are comparable (i.E. U.S. federal income tax brackets range from 10% to 35% for individuals. On the Canadian side, the range is 15% to 29%. In the U.S., the lowest tax bracket bumps to 15% at $8,500 and to 25% at $34,501. The bottom Canadian bracket stays at 15% until $41,544). Canada has less of a federal deficit.

    The U.S. has a far larger military, but this reflects different military approaches. Canada forms alliances and wants a NATO or U.N. military. The U.S. wants their own military to be dominant and has vetoed a NATO/UN led military.

  • Perhaps Good for U.S. - Not So Good For Canada (Part 1)

    I believe the U.S. is a terrific country, but I'm concerned for their future to think it would benefit Canada to merge. Across most meaningful measures (freedom, justice, health, wealth, corruption, etc.) Canada is more successful than the U.S. (see partial list in next post) and joining the U.S. would likely hurt Canada's future.

    One reason that is often highlighted in Canada for considering this merger is that Canada could have unfettered access to the world's largest economy - however, this is a very poor long-term strategy as the U.S. due to their out-of-control debt, their reliance on the petro dollar (which is under attack by Russia and China), and foreseeable loss of default currency status of the U.S. dollar.

    Simply off the top of my head the following comes to mind:
    1) Economy - The U.S. economy is currently a juggernaut - but it is under severe and increasing threat. U.S. debt is out-of-control (according to Google, current U.S. debt per capita is US$61.5k and Canada debt per capita is US$44.7k (an economic merger would see Canadians take on US$15k more debt)) with no foreseeable end in sight, and the two factors that prop up the American dollar (i.E. Petrodollar and default currency) are under attack. Canada by contrast has a plan to reduce debt.

    2) Religion - Canadians are perplexed and I believe a little disturbed by Americans relationship with religion. In particular, religion has no place in politics (even the American founding fathers advocated for this). Enough said.

    3) Wealth - There are a lot more top 1% Americans than Canadians. However, income distribution is much better in Canada. Canada's middle-class is much wealthier than the American middle-class and becoming more wealthy as time goes on due to higher incomes in Canada.

    4) Gun control - merging 36 million Canadians (who overwhelmingly favor sensible gun control) into this debate may be enough to tip the balance in the favor of sensible gun control. Are Americans prepared for this?

    5) Women's rights - I would argue that equality is more advanced in Canada and this half of the population is not prepared to take a step backwards. One example is abortion. Abortion continues to be a contentious issue in the U.S. with substantial barriers to abortion existing in many states, and many politicians speaking out against abortion. Abortion is completely decriminalized in Canada (Canadians treat it as a health issue), the decision is made by a woman and her doctor, the cost is covered by the national medical plan. Canada also has a MUCH lower rate of abortion than the U.S.

    6) Health - Canadians are healthier, live longer, more active, and less obese.

    7) Government - Americans and Canadians have a different relationship with government. Americans seem to tend to advocate for smaller government, while Canadians tend to advocate for better government.

    Both great countries, but with significant differences and I'm not sure either country is prepared to embrace the changes joining the other country would bring.

  • Perhaps Good for U.S. - Not So Good For Canada (Part 1)

    I believe the U.S. is a terrific country, but I'm concerned for their future to think it would benefit Canada to merge. Across most meaningful measures (freedom, justice, health, wealth, corruption, etc.) Canada is more successful than the U.S. (see partial list in next post) and joining the U.S. would likely hurt Canada's future.

    One reason that is often highlighted in Canada for considering this merger is that Canada could have unfettered access to the world's largest economy - however, this is a very poor long-term strategy as the U.S. due to their out-of-control debt, their reliance on the petro dollar (which is under attack by Russia and China), and foreseeable loss of default currency status of the U.S. dollar.

    Simply off the top of my head the following comes to mind:
    1) Economy - The U.S. economy is currently a juggernaut - but it is under severe and increasing threat. U.S. debt is out-of-control (according to Google, current U.S. debt per capita is US$61.5k and Canada debt per capita is US$44.7k (an economic merger would see Canadians take on US$15k more debt)) with no foreseeable end in sight, and the two factors that prop up the American dollar (i.E. Petrodollar and default currency) are under attack. Canada by contrast has a plan to reduce debt.

    2) Religion - Canadians are perplexed and I believe a little disturbed by Americans relationship with religion. In particular, religion has no place in politics (even the American founding fathers advocated for this). Enough said.

    3) Wealth - There are a lot more top 1% Americans than Canadians. However, income distribution is much better in Canada. Canada's middle-class is much wealthier than the American middle-class and becoming more wealthy as time goes on due to higher incomes in Canada.

    4) Gun control - merging 36 million Canadians (who overwhelmingly favor sensible gun control) into this debate may be enough to tip the balance in the favor of sensible gun control. Are Americans prepared for this?

    5) Women's rights - I would argue that equality is more advanced in Canada and this half of the population is not prepared to take a step backwards. One example is abortion. Abortion continues to be a contentious issue in the U.S. with substantial barriers to abortion existing in many states, and many politicians speaking out against abortion. Abortion is completely decriminalized in Canada (Canadians treat it as a health issue), the decision is made by a woman and her doctor, the cost is covered by the national medical plan. Canada also has a MUCH lower rate of abortion than the U.S.

    6) Health - Canadians are healthier, live longer, more active, and less obese.

    7) Government - Americans and Canadians have a different relationship with government. Americans seem to tend to advocate for smaller government, while Canadians tend to advocate for better government.

    Both great countries, but with significant differences and I'm not sure either country is prepared to embrace the changes joining the other country would bring.

  • Too many problems

    There would be too many riots for independence Canadians and Americans would simply not do it because in their eyes it would be like taking away their independence it would make Canada's victory against America in 1812 pointless and the war of independence against England pointless as well most likely cas senario Canadians and Americans would over throw the government and put things back to the way they were the best thing that could come of it would be a bigger friendship between Canada and America because they would have to work together to over throw the government

  • Canada should not join with america!

    Although i'm not a Canadian, i believe that Canada and the US shouldnt join for 3 reasons... We are far stronger as 2 nations that can work together than as a single nation. Although america has a stronger military, having 2 militaries that can work together is much better. If we were to merge there would be far too much land to govern and protect. Although we could possibly be stronger with our military if we were to join.. Its still far too much to protect. Canada is slowly being taken over by China. China is buying millions of dollars worth of Canada's oil wells and resources, therefore if China owns all of Canada's resources.. China pretty much owns Canada. If china were to eventually take over Canada, the U.S. would eventually be controlled by China too if we were to join

  • Canada should not join with america!

    Although i'm not a Canadian, i believe that Canada and the US shouldnt join for 3 reasons... We are far stronger as 2 nations that can work together than as a single nation. Although america has a stronger military, having 2 militaries that can work together is much better. If we were to merge there would be far too much land to govern and protect. Although we could possibly be stronger with our military if we were to join.. Its still far too much to protect. Canada is slowly being taken over by China. China is buying millions of dollars worth of Canada's oil wells and resources, therefore if China owns all of Canada's resources.. China pretty much owns Canada. If china were to eventually take over Canada, the U.S. would eventually be controlled by China too if we were to join


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