I am sick and tired of people constantly pulling the separation of church and state stuff. The constitution does not mention this at any point. The first amendment says that the government cannot pass any law establishing a national religion and it cannot pass any law that prohibits the practice of one's religion. This does not establish a national religion. In addition, not allowing a prayer room WOULD violate the first amendment because it is prohibiting the practice of one's religion.
Students should have the right to express themselves and if they can't do it in the classroom why can't they have a room to go to. Separation of church and state does not mean to take religion out of the government. Just give the students a prayer room that they can go to when they are not doing anything.
Everyone should have the right to practice their beliefs as long as they conduct themselves in a way that does not disrespect others and their choices. Sure. Why shouldn't people be able to pray at school, but then schools should then offer private spaces for other religions to practice in. There should not be a double standard and why should one group of people get priority over others.
If we allow "all people" to have the right to freedom and the pursuit of happiness, prayer should not be excised merely because it is "different" or "religious". Would it not be hypocritical to disallow prayer when in fact the Pledge of Allegiance is in itself a form of prayer?
Why is it not OK to practice one's religion in school? Isn't that a discrimination against theism? Students should be able to express what's on their mind. Praying doesn't hurt anybody. The words from the book that many prayer practice , teaching how to be a good person. It doesn't always talk about how nice is the god. It's talking about what he teaching and most of that thing can also be found in some textbook that actually use in the public schools. Of course those book are some form of dogma.
Freedom of beliefs Being able to practice certain religion is one of the fundamental rights of every person and every student and should be provided to all people regardless of the place they are in. So for that reason schools should have a space which enables students to pray freely during school times.
I believe that as long as the school has a group of Jews, Muslims, Catholics, they should be able to have a club to discuss their said religion. I'm just saying, If there's a community, they deserve to represented. That is just common sense. So yeah, schools should have rooms for the religious.
Throughout the day, there is a need, whereas students, we need just a small place where we can pray, reflect or meditate. High school is a time of hardship for many. A prayer room will act as a refuge for people in their hard times. So yes, a prayer room would be a great addition to a school.
You wouldn't have to go practice any religion, it's just for the people who do. It wouldn't disturb anyone and freedom to practice religion is a human right. This wouldn't be a privilege, it would be a right. Atheists aren't required to do anything, but how do you know that's the same with other religions?
Being able to practice certain religion is one of the fundamental rights of every person and every student and should be provided to all people regardless of the place they are in. So for that reason schools should have a space which enables students to pray freely during school times.
To say having a prayer room in public schools violates the separation of church and state is not an accurate statement to make. Separation of church and state is about not declaring a national religion or preferring one particular religion over others. With that said it is also not un-constitutional to say that prayer rooms do not have a place in public schools. It does not violate the First Amendment in any way as the lack of a prayer room isn't restricting students from expressing their particular religious opinions: there is still lunch where students can discuss it among each other, debate clubs which allow for open forum discussions about the topic, teacher guided religious studies, etc.
The reason why public schools should not have a prayer room is that prayer does not cohere with the purpose of our public school system.
It is the purpose of the public school system to educate the students in order to expand their knowledge on the core subjects while widening their cultural and academic perspectives based on the facts or ideas within a discipline. Core subjects are those of history, science, mathematics and language. As it seems obvious that having a prayer room does not fit into any of these core subject areas it is up to determine whether it falls into the secondary purpose which is that of widening perspectives.
It is also here where a prayer room serves absolutely no purpose. Behind the very idea of prayer is the asking or pleading to a deity for something. In the act of prayer there is no method of discovery that could even remotely constitute gaining knowledge on a specific subject. No truths or perspectives will be gained about macroeconomics by partaking in praying to any god; it is this case with all things. Prayer does not serve the purpose of education, but rather the purpose of comfort or security. While this may not be allowed in class rooms students are free to do it between classes, at lunch with each other, in after-school activities, in quiet to themselves, etc. It is important to recognize that the purpose of school in a broader sense then I defined is to gain knowledge; there is absolutely no knowledge gained from having prayer rooms in school.
There are already culturally established places for prayer such as churches, synagogues, mosques, etc. These places are explicitly created with the intent of serving the spiritual wants of the people. Students can also pray at home with their family or friends if the require prayer to function daily. Unless it can be shown beyond a doubt that prayer can supply knowledge then it has no place in public schools.
Hm, well let's think about this. The government would have to grant an equal share to all religions, which means either they create a completely non-interfering and balanced room, or have one room per religion. This room would have to be a comfortable atmosphere to anyone who walks in, so it can't be the former due to the overwhelming Christian majority in America. Seriously, picture a room being dedicated to pray in it and having 90% of those people Christian. Yeah, that's not gonna work. This leaves us with one room for each religion. Okay, so one for Buddhism, one for Sikhism, one for Taoism, one for Christianity, one for Islam, one for Judaism... Wait a minute, how many rooms are there? Uh huh, so there're thousands of religions and significantly fewer rooms... That might be a problem. There's got to be a solution to this... Oh, wait. I got it! How about we leave public education secular like it's supposed to be, not establish religious areas in the schools, and use these places for what they're meant to be used for: learning. This sounds good; let's go with that. This is just another attempt at trying to sneak religion back into the schools under the "it can't hurt" premise. No, it can, and it will. Government funds promised to be used to teach kids important things like science and math are not to be used for something so artificial as a "prayer room". Oh, and it discriminates against non-believers. That's bad too.
A school is a learning institution, where young minds are sculpted and taught how to go about the thinking process (keep in mind, not "what to think" but "how to think"). Prayer, which is most commonly associated with religion, is one of those "what to think" things. Whether your personal bias is for or against religion in general, it is still no place to have prayer in. Keep the religion in the churches, and the mosques, and synagogues and so on, and keep the learning in the school.
And u think it only fair and proper that a prayer/quiet room should be set aside for students to, if they should so choose to do so without coercion, practice their own beliefs. Nobody has to bother them, nobody is interfered with, it's not a public indoctrinating pledge, but rather a choice for the students to make themselves. As for atheists who don't like their tax dollars spent on it, tough. Democracy isn't always about you, and as for the separation of church and state, it's a non denominational room, not an established church, and allowing it to be exercised freely as a place for use by any religion. Like, for example, army chaplains. Though secular absolutism isn't as much a worry for me as it is for Americans who don't understand their own constitution, be it any of the amendments, or the French, who like throwing out women for covering their heads, so absolute are they in their dogma.
By having a prayer room would the school expect the Christians to pray while Muslims are praying and perhaps Buddhists, all at the same time or would time be taken for each group. This doubles the teachers workload because part of the class will be gone, then another part, then another. How many times does the class lesson have to be repeated for those who were absent?
Once a prayer room is set aside then all religions must have access. Not everyone believes in the Christian God or Allah, but many other gods. As each takes their turn the education system would become utter chaos. You can't allow a few without allowing all. What about the atheists? Will they get free time? Prayer belongs in the churches, synagogues and temples, not in our schools or other publicly funded institution.
If there are separate prayer rooms and praying is only allowed in them and not anywhere else, then the public schools are preventing free practice of religion. On the other hand, if prayer rooms take public money, it also is unfair. The best way is to allow OPTIONAL and VOLUNTARY prayer in the schools.
If someone needs to say morning prayers, then they can simply wake up early and do so. Religion doesn't belong in school. School is for learning actually proven facts, things the kids will need to know when the are older. It's up to the parents or guardians of the kids to teach them what they need to know about their religion, and once the child is old enough they can make their own decisions about their religious beliefs.
School is a place to learn, a place to exercise your brain, to make you become smarter and prepare you for life. Religion is everywhere we go, now days. And it seems to get in the way of many things. The last thing we need is a Prayer room in school. Not everyone is the same religion, and having a prayer room could offend someone.
I'll preface by saying that, while there is a precedent to disallow schools from directly supporting religious activities, I don't see an explicit legal issue in providing a room for prayer in schools, so long as it is constructed to be appropriate for all recognized religious stances, including unreligious equivilents.
However, this is a question of 'should' rather than 'could'. Government buildings are secular institution and as such should refrain from getting personally involved with religious issues. This means not establishing buildings and services in explicit consideration of religion. This is a complex issue though, because of our interest in preserving and promoting culture, which often goes hand in hand with religion. In order to achieve a happy medium, the fairest approach for a school to take is to construct one or several 'multipurpose rooms' specifically made available for clubs and individuals to reserve or rent for periods of time. This will only partially satisfy, since most religious groups demand a 24hour service.
Since public schools are receiving public funding, the funds should be spent on education and the educational environment. Teachers, learning resources, and student facilities for the purpose of education should all be the first priority. Most schools struggle with high tuition, insufficient space, and lacking staff, these all need to be addressed before luxury and convenience services. We will not be capable of escaping this well as a public service until we change our outlook as a nation. This can be overcome by the organizations providing the funds out of pocket. Private funds can be used to pursue individual or group aspirations without risking the integrity of the institution they hope to enhance. Portable units and off campus spaces are usually an option.
The reasonable expectation portion is probably one most people think about. Every group wants a large private room available 24/7 in the center of campus, but considering the number of groups who could be equally interested, it simply wouldn't be feasible. One room specifically for prayer would have to accommodate many conflicting dogmas and equality issues, so it would be a nightmare to arrange fairly. The most that could be reasonably asked for is a moderated, privately funded moderate space with room for many small groups of people. This is the most fair and possible option, but is unsatisfactory for many. The school is not obligated to provide these services, so anything more would be counterproductive to their original mission. Above this is the fact that religion can be practiced at home on private space, so space on campus is purely a convenience. Even in Islam, it is not uncommon to perform all of a days prayers at the same time in the evening in order to work around other obligations. It simply isn't reasonable to accommodate strict religions, because there is no limit to how strict and publicly disruptive a religious observance may be. If the religion is flexible, practice at home; if the religion is strict, too bad.