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Should smokers be denied access to state healthcare?

  • The funds are finite

    Many smokers are arrogant and snub their noses at the medical establishment attempting to tell them they should quit, because it's nobody's business but their own. Then they come begging for help, when they are having an attack of pneumonia or COPD. Not to mention they would sue for malpractice if they didn't recover well from surgery. Many physicians will not perform surgery on smokers due to their poor recovery...I should say surgeons who are good and can be selective about who they treat. It's a joke -smokers going to Dr after Dr because they don't feel well, and Dr's who are greedy just keep selling them pills. Another answer is to jack up the tobacco taxes high enough to pay for all of this BS. Smoking being hard to quit...Yes well resisting habits and indulgences is hard for everyone. Smoking is not impossible to quit, people quit everyday, of course big tobacco wants everyone to think it is impossible to quit. While we're at it, lets not give any health care to those who make and market tobacco!

  • A matter of choice

    Tax payers should not pay for treatment of patients with illnesses linked to smoking. A person that willingly put themselves in harms way by smoking should pay for their own treatment. Why should other people pay for someones utter stupidity? And also not giving healthcare to smokers will be an effective deterrent to young people concidering taking up the habit.

  • Yes they should

    Smokers should be denied state healthcare because they are knowingly doing something very bad for their body. Smoking is going to cause health issues down the road and therefore since the person is knowingly doing it they should not have access to state healthcare. They should have to go elsewhere to receive their healthcare.

  • There are patients more deserving of treatment.

    If smokers were granted access to state healthcare, they would be depriving other patients (whose conditions are not self-inflicted) of treatment in a timely manner. Money aside, smokers would waste important resources such as doctors, medical procedures and medicines that others are more deserving of. Smokers make a decision and any health complications that come with it are their own fault and they don't deserve our pity. Not to mention they destroy the health of those around them. Smokers absolutely do not deserve sympathy or free treatment when they get cancer or other smoking-induced health problems.

  • There are patients more deserving of treatment.

    If smokers were granted access to state healthcare, they would be depriving other patients (whose conditions are not self-inflicted) of treatment in a timely manner. Money aside, smokers would waste important resources such as doctors, medical procedures and medicines that others are more deserving of. Smokers make a decision and any health complications that come with it are their own fault and they don't deserve our pity. Not to mention they destroy the health of those around them. Smokers absolutely do not deserve sympathy or free treatment when they get cancer or other smoking-induced health problems.

  • Addiction is a CHOICE!

    The "disease" misnomer is used to brainwash addicts into thinking they are not responsible for their addiction. Thereby, creating "repeat business" and job security for rehabs "specialists." Addiction can be ended if one so chooses. Been there. Done it w/o assistance from healthcare. So don't tell me it's not possible.

  • Smokers should rot in hell

    Smokers should not get Healthcare as they choose to damage their own and most importantly other people's health just because they want to enjoy a fag. You don't selfishly ruin other people's lives in exchange for your own enjoyment. I just moved and am dealing with a perfectly fine flat except for the effing stench that keeps going through the vents. It's everywhere, bathroom, bedroom and lounge. I have a constant headache and am paranoid with covering up vents. All smokers should rot in hell themselves and stop being a pain for every living creature around them. Stop smokers from ruining people's lives and causing cancer to people around them.

  • Why should I save you from killing yourself you chose it

    Firstly, I find it very stupid when tax payers have for other people's stupid choice, you are taught in PHSE about drugs and alcohol also it says that smoking on the packet of the ciga but you chose to be ignorant like there are other ways to slowly kill yourself faster than whats killing you. People double shifts earn a lot of money have to pay bills, buy basic necessities for children and themselves but then to find out that money will be given as tax for people who have kids and who is inconsiderate. Why the fuck should I be paying you chose to die so die, If your excuse is that you are going through a rough time get some help because in this world you have to be independent and make your own choices, think of it at a young age you are taught about smoking and other self inflicted stuff right so why choose that path. The right to life you deprived yourself of that so why should someone help you when you were in your correct mindset so choose but you chose wrongly

  • It's not only them it effects

    Second-hand smoke is worse for your body than smoking a cigarette. This is a well known fact and people continue to smoke and disregard the health of those around them. Restricting health care access is about deterring bad behaviour, not punishing it. If we can Persuade people to stop smoking by cutting back their benefits and health care, we won't only be saving their lives but saving the lives of people who are actively doing the right thing.

  • More discouragement needed against smoking.

    As a person reaches a certain age ( usually young ) they may start smoking. Countless reasons exist for this, mainly illogical. We cannot ignore the fact that the majority of people that smoke are lower class ; the government receives very little revenues from them , if not having to support them on social benefits. How can we ask the common professional, who may be strongly opposed to smoking , to pay the bills brought on by another, independent adult's mistakes ?

  • Dr.'s or Politicians?

    I'm baffled on this topic, an very confused with this issue! A person's profession is their definition of their personality in most characterizations, unless they're forced into a position by financial, or other self serving motivators. Take a look at the Medical Professional's Oath, then after you've read it, please tell me the difference of a "Scientists", an a "Doctor"??

  • No one can help addiction

    No one slates people who have alcoholism or drug abuse because theirs "always a reason behind it" which is a lie however smoking is a stress relief not al the time but its a habit and a free world no one would denied someone who has piercings or tattoos so why someone who smokes.

  • No one can help addiction

    No one slates people who have alcoholism or drug abuse because theirs "always a reason behind it" which is a lie however smoking is a stress relief not al the time but its a habit and a free world no one would denied someone who has piercings or tattoos so why someone who smokes.

  • No one can help addiction

    No one slates people who have alcoholism or drug abuse because theirs "always a reason behind it" which is a lie however smoking is a stress relief not al the time but its a habit and a free world no one would denied someone who has piercings or tattoos so why someone who smokes.

  • No one can help addiction

    No one slates people who have alcoholism or drug abuse because theirs "always a reason behind it" which is a lie however smoking is a stress relief not al the time but its a habit and a free world no one would denied someone who has piercings or tattoos so why someone who smokes.

  • No one can help addiction

    No one slates people who have alcoholism or drug abuse because theirs "always a reason behind it" which is a lie however smoking is a stress relief not al the time but its a habit and a free world no one would denied someone who has piercings or tattoos so why someone who smokes.

  • Some facts for the naysayers:

    Fact 1 (Taken from a cancer council report 2015): Smokers cost the tax payer $341 million a year in health care.

    Fact 2 (taken from the same report): Smokers generate $6.449 billion in tax revenue.

    Conclusion: Smokers don't just pay for themselves WHOLLY, they pay for 6.7 other people as well.

    Fact 3 (report published in Public Library of Science, 2012): Over a lifetime, non-smoking non-obese people cost the taxpayer MORE in healthcare. It has been posited that this is because as they live longer, they are no longer working (so no longer contributing to the coffers), and the ailments that afflict our elderly cost the same, if not more, then the ailments that afflict smokers.

  • Smokers are humans

    Yes, smoking does harm the body, but it is just one of the optimal life choices some people tend to choose. Making people who smoke pay for their healthcare is absurd; its just like making men who leave their wife and children pay. Will you not treat them unless they go back the their children!

  • Why just smokers?

    Why shouldn't anybody who puts themselves into danger of harm pay there own way? Drunks, drivers who break the law speeding etc, drug takers. Extreme sports people, skate boarders etc. Don't even get me started on people who over indulge in sugary soft drink, junk food and just generally don't look after themselves. We could then start on they people who intentionally cause other people harm. All or nothing I say,

  • I would put forward

    That there are more non smokers than smokers in hospitals , so maybe we should make the non smokers pay for there own treatment .
    I have been a smoker for 60 years and have never had hospital treatment and do not take phamaceutical drugs .
    The real answer is nutrition .


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