Should "Under God" be removed from the American Pledge of Allegiance?

Asked by: genecroix
  • Separation of church and state.

    Yes of course "Under God" should be removed from the American Pledge of Allegiance. Especially since the pledge of Allegiance is practiced in public places. The mention of a God in the Pledge of Allegiance, implies the nation is a supporter of Christianity. But that was not the intention during the founding of the United States of America.

    If anyone wants to cry religious liberty, then we can surely add under Allah, the Budha, and Zues to the Pledge of Allegiance. And we can allow Muslims to pray on school grounds and teach their religion to your children.

    "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." -- These are the words of the gentleman known as the "Father of the Constitution" of the United States of America, Thomas Jefferson.

    -- Any mention of God through public institutions should be prohibited. That includes the dollar and the halls of Congress. The United States government is a secular government.

    Jefferson and the founders assumed there would be religious nutjobs, in the future, who would try to turn America into a brain-washed Christian nation. And they weren't wrong. I encourage people to read some of Jefferson's writings on religion and God. He was a lot more interested in reason than faith.

  • The Separation of Church and state

    If you are going to say "Under of god in the Pledge" that would be saying the USA supports Christianity. This would be that the USA supports Christianity over other religions. This muddles the line between the government and religion. In the first Amendment in the Bill of rights it reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an established religion" Adding Under God to the Pledge goes against this Amendment.

  • Yeah, the pledge was fine up until 1954 anyway.

    The pledge of allegiance is intended to show that you are siding with the American ideal of an indivisible nation of ubiquitous liberty and justice.
    God is not only irrelevant to an allegiance with American ideals, but belief in god is not nationally ubiquitous like the belief in liberty and justice for all.
    There was no "under god" clause in the pledge until 1954...

  • It is a violation of our rights.

    Separation of Church and State needs to be enforced as a way to protect religious freedom AND to protect people from religion. Not all of our founders were even religious so why would you allow something that they were clearly trying to prevent. Religion needs to stay away from government because it isn't wanted there.
    The "under God" part isn't traditional either. Just like "in God we trust" it wasn't added until much later by people trying to force their religious agenda. (The year is 1954, by the way.)
    It also favors one group of people (theists) over another (atheists.) Schools force children to stand and sometimes to say it. I should know, I had to deal with it. They refuse to let you sit during the pledge and I heard that in some schools children are kicked out of the classroom for it.

  • Seperation of church and state

    Any references to god weren't added in until the 1950s, because of perceived "godlessness" in the soviet union. It goes against the seperation of church and state, as it can be seen as promoting a religiion. Therefore having it in the pledge of allegiance can be considered unconstitutional and should be removed immediatly

  • Not everyone is religious

    Of course it should. I don't see how 40% of people could possibly force a child of different or no faith be forced to say it because of who gave birth to them and where, or them even asking questions about stupidly illogical and contradictory nonsense held within a book written by several people in a desert 2-4 thousand years ago! To say that a whole nation must be held together under a God, a character from a book, where most things are factually incorrect, is insane. Top have all of a persons morals being from said book and fear of said god, is saying that if there wasnt any, then all of youre natural morals would not exist. If thats the case, then im not sure that these people deserve to be a "Civilised human".
    Also, if we replaced the words with "Under 330 million Gods" (Relating to Hinduism, the third most populous religion), what would you say then. Christians disregard atheists and all of the other 5 billion+ people in the world who aren't christian,in a heartbeat, yet all the "proof" they have to go on is a book.
    Overall, every person, through their own journey of questioning and understanding (Or lack thereof) has the right and should be able to practice said right to believe THEMSELVES if their nation is under Liberty and whatever under 1 or 330 million Gods. (Or none)

  • Introduced based on a false premise

    The constitution blatantly states that there is a separation of church and state, that people have freedom of religion. This includes the ability to not engage in religion. Makes it unconstitutional to have 'under god' in the pledge.

    It was only introduced because of fear of the USSR, and communist values that were seen as godless, even though they were religious, deifying the state, at their core.

  • It would sound so much better without it.

    I don't know if anyone knows this, but the phrase "under God" wasn't included in Francis Bellamy's original pledge until 1954, when the controversial phrase was added in by a presidential order. It was originally included to delineate the United States as a nation of believers, because it is documented that the Soviets were not known to be very religious, and in fact deism was persecuted from the Stalin regime to the fall of the USSR.

    The Cold War's been over for like 60 years now, and in light of the Founders' determination in Article 11 of the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli that the US was not founded on the basis of any religion, I agree that the phrase is a tacit encouragement of endorsement of religion (read: Christianity) and violates the First Amendment. In addition, a Supreme Court case, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, ruled that a student didn't have to participate in the pledge if they didn't want to, and many schools today include that in their handbooks, whether public or private. (An earlier ruling, Minersville v. Gobitis, ruled that schools reserved the right to compel a student to participate in any patriotic assembly at their discretion, which sounds to me, and a lot of other people apparently, like fascism waiting to happen.)

    The solution is simple: Just take the phrase out of the pledge, don't force people to participate in the pledge if they don't want to,, and be done with it.

  • Nothing that hasn't already been said,

    Separation of Church and State, it was put in there afterwards, and it was put there for stupid purposes anyway. America was not founded on Christianity or Christians values. It was founded to be a secular government, and a secular government it shall stay if anyone on the "No" actually cared about the constitution, which they obviously don't. If you are a Christian and you sent your kids to school to say "Hail Satan!" in the pledge "under Allah" or "certainly not under God because he doesn't exist" they'd all be making one hell of a stink. Hypocrites.

  • Freedom of Religion

    Since America was founded on the ideals of religious freedom, it makes no sense that the Pledge of Allegiance should indicate one religion over others.

    Also, the words "under god" weren't even included in the original pledge but rather were added in 1954, 62 years after the original publication. Originally it said "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Therefore, we should return to the original pledge.

  • Freedom or religion, but with Christian roots.

    In our nation, we don't care if you're Buddist, Muslim, Christian, or Atheist, however our nation is founded with deep Christian traditions. If you absolutely cannot stand to say 'under God', then feel free to revoke the entire pledge and leave. You need the United States, but the United States does not need you.

  • "Under God" should stay

    There is no reason to to take "Under God" out of the pledge. The only thing that that phrase does is show that America was founded on Christian principals. You get to keep your rights and worship or not worship any religion you would like but going as far to refuse to say the word "God" is just stupid. If you don't believe in him then whats the harm in saying his title if he does not exist. Its like me saying 'tooth fairy' And if you believe in a different religion you are going to have to put up with the fact that you live in a country that was built on a different religion. If "under God" is removed from the pledge that would truly make the founding fathers role over in their grave.

  • No no no

    This nation was founded by Christianity and if this nation turns from God we will be destroyed God wants us to follow him are nation was Christian from the beginning of America. In 1776-2016 or today God has made us a great full country no keep it one nation under God!

  • Theists have rights too, don't they?

    When people argue that in God we trust violates " our rights", they don't understand that "our" here doesn't just refer to non-religious. If the presence of the phrase violates the atheists rights, it absence violates theists' rights. Additionally, we(this generation) did not author the pledge, we have no copyright.

  • It's too late

    The line "Under God" is more of a motto rather than an actual religious honorific similar to the phrase "In God We Trust" on U.S. dollar banknotes. Rarely do people ever complain about the word God thrown in because it's a manner of speaking rather than invoking a deity of religion.

  • Kind of on the fence, but...

    The country was founded on religious (mostly Christian) bases. As far as I'm concerned, keeping the Pledge of Allegiance the way it is to remember how the country was founded (to remain as patriotic as possible) makes sense.

    And on a side note, I'm not religious, nor do I think the Pledge of Allegiance should even exist in the first place, but since it does, it should be directed toward the way (and by whom) the country was founded.

  • You aren't forced

    At schools, work, or any other place they can not force you to say the pledge. That means that you may say the pledge and just not include "under God" you don't even have to say it. If you don't like it just don't do it. Also every religion has a God. They may not specifically call it a God, however they have one. For example, Buddha

  • According to The Founding Fathers, no.

    The Founders argued the virtue derived from religion is indispensable to limited government.... The American model of religious liberty takes a strongly positive view of religious practice, both private and public.... Far from privatizing religion, it assumes that religious believers and institutions will take active roles in society, including engaging in politics and policy-making and helping form the public's moral consensus. In fact, the American Founders considered religious engagement in shaping the public morality essential to ordered liberty and the success of their experiment in self-government. -Jennifer Marshal, Heritage Scholar.

  • Too late and say sorry

    They should not because we are used to saying it and also really people understand why they put it on mostly the reason why is that people believe in god its also part of some of the peoples religion so leave the word be and probably the people don't even know what there saying or what under god means.

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