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  • Hear me out!

    I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE SLAVERY
    I UNDERSTAND THEY ATTACKED FIRST
    i understand that they were very religious, Hard working men who were fighting for what they've known their whole lives, Scared for the future of the country, I'm not saying who i'd side with, They both had their own evils, The union with their poor treatement of the men for YEARS after the war. I can see where you wouldnt like them, But don't murder them because of the way they were raised. Please stop insulting us for our beliefs, For it was the way we were raised, We were raised that if its getting to bad, We fight and we may die and lose but they know what we think. Again I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THAT PART OF THEIR CAUSE. But they believed it was the right thing to do, And you have to give them credit for that.

  • They were definitely good

    The war hasn't about slavery, The south split off because Abraham lincion wanted to give less rights to governors and more to the president, Before Abraham lincion states had far more rights and people were much more free. The south didnt own that many slaves, Most liberals will tell you 20% of them owned slaves, So only the rich white, Black and native men in the south owned slaves. Do you think regular people would honestly sacrifice there lives so rich men could keep slaves no they wouldn't, They fought Abraham lincion to preserve there rights.

  • Confederates may not be "good", But they were on the right side of the war

    Each state voluntarily joined the union, And has the right to leave- Lincolns tyranny initiated violence (by keeping an army stationed in Dixie territory and refusing to leave).
    While the Dixies were obviously wrong on matters like slavery, Human rights are not a sufficient reason to intervene in another country (as we have learned from Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Et al).
    Not to mention for the North the war was not about slavery (at least for the government and beauracrats in power), But for control. The North had economically ransacked the south through abusive protectionist measures that favoured northern industry at the expense of the southern layman, And simply North centred programs.
    The Confederates were hardly the bastions of moral righteousness, From slavery, Poor economic policy, And harsh treatment of Native Americans, But when it comes to the Civil War, Well, History is written by the victors as they say.

  • Its all from the point of veiw

    Both sides weren't right slavery was horrible and the North suppressed the south and those because of there "primitive" way of life neither side was right the south wasn't as bad as they say remember the north won he who wins the wars writes the textbooks that's my reasoning both sides weren't right or wrong.

  • The South were 100% right

    Over 600 thousand lives were lost in the US Civil war. If slavery was the only reason for the war, There was absolutely no need for it.
    The British empire ended slavery by buying them out. No deaths. No war. It could have been done in the US.
    Had the Confederacy been permitted to leave the US peacefully then none of those war deaths would have happened.
    The slavery issue would have likely resolved itself peacefully within the next 20 years or so without any conflict.
    The North were the bad guys in this conflict. By refusing the Souths right to leave, It ended the notion of the US being a free association of states and cemented federal centralised power and cost thousands of lives unnecessarily.

  • Yes, They were

    The Confederacy was most definitely the good guys in the Civil war. Most people say the Confederacy was the bad guys because they hated Black people. That's not true. The Confederacy had many, Many Black soldiers who WILLINGLY took up arms for the cause of Southern freedom. They were treated as well as the white soldiers, And were paid as much as they were due as according to their rank and status. They were respected, And treated well. The Confederacy waged war in self defense. The "Glorious" Union attacked us first. We were fighting in self defense. In defense of our freedom, Our independence, And our great way of life. The tyrant, Abraham Lincoln, Didn't even care about abolishing slavery. Jefferson Davis did however. I couldn't have said it better.

  • The lesser Evil

    So as a german my english is maybe not the best, Especially to talk about topics that complex. But i recently read a lot about the civil war and the circumstances that leads to it.
    And i came to the conclusion that the south was right and the north was wrong.
    Both supported slavery the north like the south. Both agreed that the white Man is superior to the black Man. So none of both Sides are really in favor of the black People.
    But that is not the big thing. . . What really matters was the Question of centralized States or decentralized States. The North wanted to form a Federal State, While the south support a Confederation of Independent States.
    This was the center core of this conflict. And in tradition of the declaration of Independence and the Constitution the south was right. The "United States" were never Intendant as a Federal State but a Confederation of free States.
    And that part with the Slaves. . . Lincoln himself stated that he would never set them free, If it wasn't necessary to win this war.

  • The war was Lincoln's fault, And should never have happened.

    The Civil war was fought over states' rights to make decisions. When Lincon issued the emancipation proclamation, It only freed slaves in the south, Which at the time, He had no jurisdiction over. Also, It did nothing to the slaves in the north. The war was actually Lincoln's fault. The south had every right to succeed from the union. Also, If the south freed their slaves, The economy of both the north and the south would crash and the slaves would kill their former owners. Also, Lincon actually had no right to declare war without consent of congress. History is written by the winners, So we may never know what actually happened.

  • The right to self determination means the right to go to war to keep certain policies

    Slavery was not even remotely a controversial matter for the time, So it does not make sense for us to judge the war on a racial or human rights context. The south had slaves, And the right to sovereignty and self-determination means they were just defending themselves against an overbearing North trying to impose a threat on the southern way of life. Therefore the south did nothing wrong.

  • Three, Easily researched facts.

    1) Five Union states still had slaves during the time of the Civil War. These were not "Border States" as your school books called them, They were Union slave states. Less than 5% of Southerners owned slaves, Less than 1% owned multiples slaves; no one fights for the rights of the top 1%. Promises to protect slavery were officially declared by some states in order to secure the financial backing of the wealthy 1%, Hardly a primary cause.

    2) Succession was not treason, It was protected in the Constitution as part of a system of checks and balances to ensure the government was acting in the interest of the people. Lincoln (who did nothing to discourage slavery in the North) was the first president to edit the Constitution and invade a foreign nation without just cause. George Washington, A Virginian, Committed treason when he rebelled against Britain. Was he wrong as well?

    3) This retconned narrative to justify an illegal invasion ignores the strength and courage of free southern black men who served in the Confederate forces. Their proud legacy is still hidden and down played to this day. Compare this to the "free" Union where blacks (and whites) were drafted against their will to fight for a cause (keeping the South under Union control) they did not believe in.

  • Are You Kidding Me JacobHammCSA

    Let's look at the argument of the only person who somehow said yes to this rather straightforwardly 'no' topic.

    "Most people say the Confederacy was the bad guys because they hated Black people. That's not true."

    Of course. They didn't hate black people, because they were too busy forcing them to do backbreaking, sickening work in the middle of the hot noontime sun picking cotton, a task which is not as easy as it sounds. They can't afford to hate black people, because they practically required them as slaves to fuel their primitive, agriculture-driven lives.

    "The Confederacy had many, many Black soldiers who WILLINGLY took up arms for the cause of Southern freedom."

    Lemme tell ya why they did that. The Confederate States of America denied African American soldiers basic human rights and liberties. Instead, it promised to "free" them if they fought for the CSA. That's why. They willingly took up arms so they could be free from their unwilling slave work.

    "They were treated as well as the white soldiers, and were paid as much as they were due as according to their rank and status."

    This made me LOL. Are you kidding me? Source please, or African American soldiers were mistreated, abused, not given enough rations, and viewed as inferior, as many dozens of African American soldiers of the CSA wrote about in their journals and books.

    "They were respected, and treated well."

    Really now. Refer to what I said above.

    "The Confederacy waged war in self defense. The "Glorious" Union attacked us first. We were fighting in self defense."

    I'm interested in where the heck you learned history. The Confederacy was the aggressor. The United States fortifications at Fort Sumter were bombarded by Confederate forces without any provocation on April 12, 1861, thus starting the war. Seriously now.

    "We were fighting in self defense. In defense of our freedom, our independence, and our great way of life."

    That's rich. Of course you fought for your "freedom" and your "independence". At the same time, you denied those very same things to your African American population, who were forced to do all your brutal, backbreaking slave work. They didn't have the "freedom" or "independence" to leave.

    Let's see if you still say it's a 'great way of life' if you were an African American slave in the Southern states, forced to do brutal work the whole day without breaks or pay, whipped by white slave owners who did absolutely nothing and merely laid back and reaped the harvest.

    "The tyrant, Abraham Lincoln, didn't even care about abolishing slavery. Jefferson Davis did however."

    Again. Who was your history teacher? They should be condemned. Jefferson Davis and the Confederacy practically went to war to protect their "freedom" to own slaves. Meanwhile, Abraham Lincoln made very public speeches like the Emancipation Proclamation that were very clearly anti-slavery.

    Please go and learn about the Civil War before ranting about a subject you clearly do not understand well, or at all.

  • They just wanted to keep slavery

    There is no way that they are the good guys. They wanted to keep their way of life, and that was slavery. If the "Attacking North" took that away from them, there economy would diminish. Slavery was there way of making money on plantations and they were screwed when slavery was abolished. Enslaving a whole race of people is wrong. No matter what the circumstances.

  • What?... I don't even...

    How can one say that the south were the "good guys" when they are the ones that completely initiated the conflict in the first place? The North's culture evolved to the point where they realized the horrible morals of having slaves, even for a profit, so they decided to disband it. Now, the South didn't like that, because they were making so much money off of the cotton that their slaves were producing, and were too , for lack of a better word, "lazy" to do anything by themselves.

  • Anyone who thinks they were are retarded

    The south seceded from the union because they wanted to keep slaves, their bullsh*t excuse was 'states rights' but anyone with four brain cells knows that they really seceded to keep their slaves. Anybody who would attempt to dissolve a great nation for the sole intention of ensuring that the enslavement of an entire race were to stay enslaved, then those people are clearly 'the bad guys' in the equation.....

  • Only if you think slavery is good.

    Let's look at the facts:
    The Confederates wanted to keep their slaves. Yes, the war was about other things too but if it wasn't for the slavery issue do you really think they would've had the motivation?
    The Confederates attacked first. Lincoln basically stayed out of the way (while still declaring that the South was still a part of the United States) until they attacked Fort Sumpter. Did the South make the forts and fund them? No, so what gave them the idea they had a right to them? If they wanted independence so badly they should've offered the North the right to dismantle all its property in the South brick by brick and take it to the North instead of insisting on seizing it. I'm curious to know how Lincoln would've responded to that offer.

    And in retrospect:
    South splits away. How would the US handle the world wars? Granted this could've wound up OK if it stopped WWI was going as it did since that result set the stage for WWII. But assuming WWI still turns out the same then the US has less territory and resources to wage WWII with and there's a big possibility that Hitler would've been able to ally with the South. Not good (unless you think (in the sense of opine) that that sort of thing is good, I don't).

  • The confederates were not the good guys in the civil war.

    The confederates could never have been considered the good guys in the civil war.They supported slavery which many would consider one of the worse sins ever and they wanted to split the union up which could also be considered a pretty bad sin considering it was important to Lincoln that the union stay together.

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  • The south invaded first

    The civil war started when the south invaded Fort Sumter, and the North was not keeping slaves. To say that to own another human, to torture them to do work that you are too lazy to do, is absurd and inhumane. Also, the North didn't start the war, the South did. What makes you better than blacks? Why should whites be better? Our skin is lighter? That is straight up stupidity.

  • They are bad

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  • The Union was Right

    The confederates wished to break away from and disunite the United States of America over the issue of States rights. The right that they felt was being infringed upon was the "right" to have slaves. Slavery is evil, and although slavery was not the sole purpose of the entire war, it was the root cause. Lincoln did originally say that he wished to keep the Union together above everything, whether this meant freeing the slaves or keeping them in slavery. However, when the time came he did free the slaves. A wish to keep a country united is not aggressive, and the reason for secession was a wish to have the right to have slaves, which is aggressive. To those who say that slavery was "not that bad," this is a lie. Ask anyone who actually had ancestors who were slaves. Look at evidence that isn't biased. Slavery was horrible, and the wish to keep it for any reason is not justified. Forcing people to work under horrible conditions for little to no pay is completely unacceptable and cruel. Do you think that slaves would have run away and fought with the Union if slavery was enjoyable? As for slaves fighting in the Confederate Army, nearly all historians agree that there were little to no black people who fought in the Confederate army. This idea of the "black Confederate Soldier" is mostly stemmed from myths and attempts to glaze over the rougher parts of Southern History. https://newsela.com/articles/civilwar-blacksoldiers/id/13744/ While I understand that neither side was perfect and both sides had faults, the Union was in the right.


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